A very coherent picture is emerging of the genetic history of Central and Eastern Europe, based on Y-DNA, autosomal DNA and craniofacial studies (see links below). One of the major discoveries has been the high diversity of the Y-chromosome haplogroup R1a1a in the Southern Baltic region, centered on modern-day Poland. This area harbors inflated frequencies of a number of R1a1a clades, defined by newly discovered SNPs and/or STR haplotypes (see here). Indeed, the diversity of R1a1a here is much greater than I ever expected to see. Interestingly, it's also a zone of extreme genetic homogeneity, with little admixture from other parts of Eurasia. I would say that it shows no important post-Neolithic influence from Asia. Even the minimal Siberian input in this part of Europe seems to date back to the Neolithic (see here).
This is all very important, because it defines the Southern Baltic region as a major hotspot for R1a1a differentiation and expansion. The other option, of course, is that there were multiple waves of migrations into this area from the late-Neolithic until historic times, which somehow didn't impact on the autosomal character of the native populations. Moreover, the large variety of related R1a1a types brought by these migrations would've had to plummet in frequency, or even go extinct, everywhere else. That seems extremely unlikely.
Based on the information I've picked up to date, the two R1a1a clades to watch are R1a1a1i (Z280+) and R1a1a1h (Z93+). These paternal lines appear to be signals of multiple migrations from West Eurasia to the east, as far as present day Mongolia and South Siberia. It seems the European Z280 took the northern route, while the West Asian Z93 moved across the south. Associating such markers with specific groups is always tricky, but I'd say that Z280 will probably turn up in the North Europid Andronovo skeletons, once they are tested accordingly. I also expect to see it in remains from the Corded Ware culture of Central and Eastern Europe, which has been described by archeologists as partly ancestral to the Andronovo tribes. I have little clue about Z93 in this context. Perhaps it was part of the genetic makeup of the Indo-Aryans? But I can't see that being confirmed anytime soon, because ancient DNA from that part of the world might be difficult to extract, due to the warm climate.
To complicate matters, it appears that later groups moving from the east "picked up" R1a1a along the way, and brought it back to West Asia and Europe. For instance, Z93 is showing a very high correlation with Turkic groups. Moreover, the Turks moved west along both the southern and northern routes mentioned above, and most likely erased much of the Z280 in the steppe zone. I've put together two maps that try and explain what took place. It's early days yet, but I'm very confident this version of events will be confirmed beyond any doubt in the near future with more extensive data, hopefully including full genome sequences of the Andronovo mummies.


As far as I know, the recently completed full genome sequences of a Russian and German both carried R1a1a1i-Z280. That was obviously a coincidence, but it's fascinating how Z280 keeps popping up in samples from across the former Corded Ware zone.
See also...
European admixture in ancient East Asians (aka. two-rooted canines carried by early Indo-Europeans to China)
Poland's genetic links to the ancient Indo-Europeans
The kurgan invasion of Europe...or was that the Corded Ware expansion from Europe?
Horse genetics and the Indo-European and Altaic expansions
Ancient Siberians carrying R1a1 had light eyes
Craniometric links between Central European Funnelbeaker folk and early Indo-European steppe tribes
To complicate matters, it appears that later groups moving from the east "picked up" R1a1a along the way, and brought it back to West Asia and Europe. For instance, Z93 is showing a very high correlation with Turkic groups. Moreover, the Turks moved west along both the southern and northern routes mentioned above, and most likely erased much of the Z280 in the northern steppe zone.
ReplyDeleteI do not know what you mean by Turkic, but, FYI, in Turkey R1a is concentrated in Kurds (especially in Zaza Kurds). In Turks the R1a ratio is only 7.5%; I do not know how much of it is the Z93 clade. But I do know that almost all of R1a in Turks is R1a1 clades and that the most common R1a1 haplotype in Turks matches the most common R1a1 haplotype in Armenians, as noted by Cinnioglu et al. 2004.
O ile miejsce wykształcenia Z280+ wydaje mi się prawdopodobne, to miejsce Z93+ już nie.
ReplyDeletePo pierwsze nie wiemy jakie R1a-Z93+ i R1a-Z93+,Z96+ jest w Italii i Iberii; poniżej L342? obok?
Po drugie nie wiemy jakie R1a-M417+,Z93- jest w Indiach; Z280+? Coś innego? (jest już jeden przypadek Arabski który jest R1a-M417+,Z93-)
Po trzecie zdaża się że geografia, pochodzenie wskazuje na Z280+, a wyskakuje Z93+, lub na odwrót. :)
Po czwarte trwają już "poszukiwania" R1a-M417+,Z280-,Z93- (obszar "tradycyjny" Łaba-Dniepr-Wołga), a które to może się kiedyś okazać jako stojące bliżej Z93+, a nie Z280+ (do tego pojawia się pytanie o miejsce w tej układance M458+, bo Z284+ jest najprawdopodobniej obok Z280+)
A więc jeśli Z93+ w Italii i Iberii to coś wczesnego, nie późnego; jeśli na stepie dominował Z93+ (a tak najprawdopodobniej było, inaczej nie byłoby tej korelacji dzisiaj pomiędzy l.tureckimi a Z93+, choć ogólnie mamy odwrotną korelacje l. tureckie mniej R1a, IE więcej R1a http://i53.tinypic.com/2my6bg8.png z wyjątkami oczywiscie jak np. Kirgizi; tyle że w ogóle w przypadku l. ałtajskich jakakolwiek h-grupa nabyta podczas ich ekspansji poza chyba N, Q może O jest młoda/mało żróznicowana) to Z93+ mógł własnie powstać pomiędzy Karpatami a Uralem, i z tego miejsca rozpocząć swoją kariere (a poprzez to być obecnym/dominować np. w Andronowie) bo to on dominuje m.in w Indiach. A także to on mógł zanieść język IE na południowy-zachód Europy, jako pierwszy.
Czesc,
ReplyDeleteMapy pokazuja mozliwe ekspansje Z280 i Z93.
To znaczy, jestem pewien na 100% ze byly takie ekspansje z Europy i Zachodniej Azji na wschod. Autosomalne DNA na to wskazuje.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2011/10/two-ancient-migration-routes-across.html
Ale, szczerze mowiac, nie jestem jeszcze pewien ze te ekspansje pociagnely ze soba Z280 i Z93.
Cześć,
ReplyDelete>>Mapy pokazuja mozliwe ekspansje Z280 i Z93.
Tak wiem, tylko trudno mi się zgodzić z tym syryjsko-iracko-anatoliskim punktem wyjscia (m.in. dla Indii). Główny ruch; punkt wyjscia to tereny raczej na północ od Kaukazu i irańskiego Alborzu (Elbrusa). Inaczej np. nie zaistniałoby coś takiego jak np. "wspólnota satem", a języki Indo-Iranu miałyby, powinny mieć więcej wspólnego z hetyckim.
Ogólnie oczywiscie zgadzam się, że aby ustalić co ciągnęło i kiedy, to należałoby mieć zbadane archeologiczne M417+, a to to tylko mniej lub bardziej prawdopodobne rozważania.
I uzupełnie poprzedni wpis.
M417+, Z93-,Z280-,M458- i raczej Z284- (oraz nie chodzi o grupę L664; dys388=10) - potwierdzone znane mi przypadki na dzisiaj: po jednym we Wsch. Niemcach i Armenii.
Explain how you get Z93 expanding from Kurdistan. I don't think there's enough data at present to say much on genetic grounds about how Z93 spread within its current territory, but what's clear is Z93 likely originated around the same time and in the same general vicinity as its brother clade, Z283 (the parent clade of Z280). In turn, the phylogeographic evidence (including the existence of L664 in Northwestern Europe and apparently the distribution of "Old European" M17+ M417- lineages) suggests an origin in or near Europe for M417.
ReplyDelete"Perhaps it was part of the genetic makeup of the Indo-Aryans?"
I expect that is the case, and that Z93 originally spread with Indo-Iranian from the Steppe. Thus, Z93 and Z283 probably originated north of where you place Z93 and east of where you place Z280.
Currently, Eastern Anatolia is the only place where we're seeing Z93+ and Z93- side by side, in the same groups.
ReplyDeleteZ93+ had to come from Z93-. So I'm basing my location on the current border between the two, which is Eastern Anatolia/Northern Middle East.
I think R1a1a originated in the Northern Middle East, possibly in what is now Northwestern Iran. It then moved into Europe, and sat there for a while before expanding from Central Europe to what is now Russia, and then to Central Asia and Siberia. Obviously, based on that scenario, South Asia received most of it's R1a1a from West Asia, but I expect that we'll also see Z280 down there sooner or later.
All of this gels very well with autosomal DNA evidence. Expansions from Central Asia make no sense in that context.
Ahh, Ok, so Western Turkey has older R1a1a than Eastern Turkey.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, we'll have to wait for some more results before we can say anything for sure.
I know there was an expansion from West Asia, because autosomal DNA doesn't lie. But that doesn't mean Z93 comes from there originally.
The Central Asian hypothesis still looks like a dud to me.