tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1293024746532545664..comments2024-03-28T10:03:24.453-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: A Bell Beaker superhighwayDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger94125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18521713739555416952019-02-24T11:20:11.720-08:002019-02-24T11:20:11.720-08:00How close is the Beaker Netherlands to the Hallsta...How close is the Beaker Netherlands to the Hallstatt_Bylany samples compared to Hungary Bell Beakers ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58246231566925866972019-02-14T01:16:31.834-08:002019-02-14T01:16:31.834-08:00@Joe Flood
Just a trade map as far as I'm awa...@Joe Flood<br /><br /><i>Just a trade map as far as I'm aware.</i><br /><br />Obviously not, since people with the same type of ancestry as the Rhenish Beakers rapidly expanded all over the Beaker complex.<br /><br />This could only have happened via migration.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58378283117381079072019-02-14T00:18:24.927-08:002019-02-14T00:18:24.927-08:00Just a trade map as far as I'm aware . If ther...Just a trade map as far as I'm aware . If there was trade to be had, the Beakers were in it, and the Amber Trail was one of the most favoured routes.Joe Floodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14684083205595693107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4307521838025142392019-02-13T04:39:48.727-08:002019-02-13T04:39:48.727-08:00Did someone switch of the lights cause it's ve...Did someone switch of the lights cause it's very quiet here ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9711223802256354382019-02-11T19:32:06.420-08:002019-02-11T19:32:06.420-08:00Are we there yet ? Are we there yet ? Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56848485330214689272019-02-10T06:57:17.256-08:002019-02-10T06:57:17.256-08:00One way to try to solve the issue is to eliminate ...One way to try to solve the issue is to eliminate 2 and leave 1 and see which one gives the lowest distance. <br /><br />[1] "distance%=2.9265"<br /><br /> Basque_Spanish<br /><br />Globular_Amphora,77.6<br />Yamnaya_Ukraine,21.8<br />Clovis,0.4<br />Blatterhole_HG,0.2<br />Ethiopia_4500BP,0<br />Iberomaurusian,0<br />Malawi_Fingira_2500BP,0<br />South_Africa_2000BP,0<br />jeanlohizunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00216848866144458976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90803176033139150202019-02-10T06:56:49.019-08:002019-02-10T06:56:49.019-08:00@Andrzejewski
Here is the correlation matrix for ...@Andrzejewski<br /><br />Here is the correlation matrix for the populations that appear in the previous estimates. <br /><br />[1] "distance%=2.7245"<br /><br /> Basque_Spanish<br /><br />Globular_Amphora,45.4<br />Iberia_ChL,29.8<br />Yamnaya_Ukraine,24.8<br />Blatterhole_HG,0<br />Clovis,0<br />Ethiopia_4500BP,0<br />Iberomaurusian,0<br />Malawi_Fingira_2500BP,0<br />jeanlohizunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00216848866144458976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9146288291081117152019-02-10T05:11:19.760-08:002019-02-10T05:11:19.760-08:00One Yamnaya group was brachycephalic. The group a...One Yamnaya group was brachycephalic. The group at the west bank of the mouth of the Volga as it reaches the Caspian. A very arid area not far north of the NE Caucuses.the dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07249989295326157609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83860475290615781262019-02-10T01:21:07.686-08:002019-02-10T01:21:07.686-08:00Is what Andrzejewski said about Spaniards being mo...Is what Andrzejewski said about Spaniards being more recently Middle Eastern than WHG and getting their farmer ancestry from GAC correct or even possible?Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718136580023709390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4012452152910261342019-02-09T14:54:48.209-08:002019-02-09T14:54:48.209-08:00@Andrzejewski
You refer a lot to the Globular Amp...@Andrzejewski<br /><br /><i>You refer a lot to the Globular Amphora as a vital mix in the puzzle of creating Corded-Ware and BB IE speakers, but what about the role the Cucuteni Tripolye Culture was supposed to play in the Indo-Europeanization of the Balkans? This civilization didn't just disappear, did it?</i><br /><br />Cucuteni Tripolye and/or Varna probably contributed some gene flow to Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67731273244286787432019-02-09T14:32:09.453-08:002019-02-09T14:32:09.453-08:00You refer a lot to the Globular Amphora as a vital...You refer a lot to the Globular Amphora as a vital mix in the puzzle of creating Corded-Ware and BB IE speakers, but what about the role the Cucuteni Tripolye Culture was supposed to play in the Indo-Europeanization of the Balkans? This civilization didn't just disappear, did it?Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11170938712860639902019-02-09T13:58:44.681-08:002019-02-09T13:58:44.681-08:00@EastPole
I left a comment...
This article is fa...@EastPole<br /><br />I left a comment...<br /><br /><i>This article is factually incorrect!<br /><br />The Yamnaya horizon was entirely located within the Pontic-Caspian steppe in Ukraine and surrounds, which is in Eastern Europe not in Asia.<br /><br />Eastern Europe is north of the Caucasus and west of the Urals, and that is where the Yamnaya people lived.<br /><br />This is basic geography.<brDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61426338409137667612019-02-09T13:48:00.898-08:002019-02-09T13:48:00.898-08:00@Davidski
“Please don't link to articles on ...@Davidski <br /><br />“Please don't link to articles on Yamnaya from that Science source. This is the second one that is blatantly factually incorrect.”<br /><br /><br />Yes, I know that herders based in western Asia’s steppe grasslands didn’t mingle and occasionally mate with nearby farmers in southeastern Europe. Western Asia’s steppe and southeastern Europe are not nearby but far away.<br EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25041322747180612392019-02-09T13:47:19.953-08:002019-02-09T13:47:19.953-08:00@Diego
R1a-M417 comes from the Eastern European s...@Diego<br /><br />R1a-M417 comes from the Eastern European steppes, but the vast majority of R1a-M417 in Ashkenazi Jews is a specific kind of R1a-M417 that isn't from Eastern Europe but from West Asia. See here...<br /><br /><a href="https://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2013/12/near-eastern-origin-of-ashkenazi-r1a.html" rel="nofollow">Near Eastern origin of Ashkenazi Levite R1a</a><br /><br />AndDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25073773718427910552019-02-09T13:27:11.387-08:002019-02-09T13:27:11.387-08:00
@Andrzejewski-
I hope that @jeanlohizun has time...<br />@Andrzejewski-<br /><br />I hope that @jeanlohizun has time to explain some genetics to you, because you seem to have not been able to interpret the data that he has sent.<br /><br />If you want to understand the history and ethnogenetics of Europe, the first thing you should know is that the Sephardic Jews have relatively high percentages of R1b and the Ashenazis of R1a, because they were Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25234992777587981832019-02-09T13:21:23.285-08:002019-02-09T13:21:23.285-08:00@EastPole
Please don't link to articles on Ya...@EastPole<br /><br />Please don't link to articles on Yamnaya from that Science source. This is the second one that is blatantly factually incorrect.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4068081059311452712019-02-09T13:02:52.378-08:002019-02-09T13:02:52.378-08:00@Diego Maybe you could better explain the contradi...@Diego Maybe you could better explain the contradictions in the datasets than @jeanlohizun:<br /><br />"@jeanlohizun "Also, there is a difference between Basques deriving 50-60% of their blood from Central European Beakers, who themselves share derive some blood from GAC Farmers, and they not being native to Iberia. They are the most similar modern day Iberians to the Iberian Farmers, Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48460414898703162462019-02-09T12:56:23.478-08:002019-02-09T12:56:23.478-08:00Andrzejewski said.
Vasconia- Spain Basque Country...Andrzejewski said.<br /><br />Vasconia- Spain Basque Country <br />R1b-87,00 <br />I1- 0,5 <br />I2-5,0 <br />G2-1,5 <br />Q-0,5<br />J2-2,5 <br />J1-0,5 <br />E1b-2,50<br /><br /><br />What you think of the Moors, the Jews and the WHG in Spain is your problem, it does not seem that your knowledge about Spanish genetics is enough for your opinions to be Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85723410743998390782019-02-09T11:57:33.017-08:002019-02-09T11:57:33.017-08:00@jeanlohizun "Also, there is a difference bet...@jeanlohizun "Also, there is a difference between Basques deriving 50-60% of their blood from Central European Beakers, who themselves share derive some blood from GAC Farmers, and they not being native to Iberia. They are the most similar modern day Iberians to the Iberian Farmers, and they do not derive any ancestry from the Balkans for at least 7000 years. They also do have a big chunk 30Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71483046409470718162019-02-09T11:52:01.215-08:002019-02-09T11:52:01.215-08:00@Diego "That is one of the biggest nonsense g...@Diego "That is one of the biggest nonsense geneticists have said lately. Haplogroup I2a / I2b, linked throughout Europe to Western hunter-gatherers, is documented in Spain since the Mesolithic, and represents more than 6% of current Spaniards (5.5% Basque). The same happens with G2, which reaches similar proportions at present, even higher in some regions. Can you explain how someone can Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43933763019142725402019-02-09T11:49:52.830-08:002019-02-09T11:49:52.830-08:00Euxeinos Pontos said..."Could somebody analys...Euxeinos Pontos said..."Could somebody analyse the Polish Bell Beaker I4251? I don't have any means at the moment, but this early brachycephalic sample actually may be the key to everything (perhaps). Apparently half of him is very Basque-like, similar to I1388."<br /><br />When you say that half of it seems Basque, do you mean H1 (Mit-Hap), R1b-P312, its autosomal components?<br />Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67441990773496960102019-02-09T11:19:14.476-08:002019-02-09T11:19:14.476-08:00Here are some fits for Basques:
[1] "distanc...Here are some fits for Basques:<br /><br />[1] "distance%=2.7245"<br /><br /> Basque_Spanish<br /><br />Globular_Amphora,45.4<br />Iberia_ChL,29.8<br />Yamnaya_Ukraine,24.8<br />Blatterhole_HG,0<br />Clovis,0<br />Ethiopia_4500BP,0<br />Iberomaurusian,0<br />Malawi_Fingira_2500BP,0<br />South_Africa_2000BP,0<br />Tanzania_Luxmanda_3000BP,0<br />Yoruba,0<br />Anatolia_ChL,0<br />jeanlohizunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00216848866144458976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10372716664375036882019-02-09T11:13:35.899-08:002019-02-09T11:13:35.899-08:00I'm just going to drop this right here:
"...I'm just going to drop this right here:<br /><br />"The transition from a foraging subsistence strategy to a sedentary farming society is arguably the greatest innovation in human history. Some modern-day groups—specifically the Basques—have been argued to be a remnant population that connect back to the Paleolithic. We present, to our knowledge, the first genome-wide sequence data from jeanlohizunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00216848866144458976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65599538060948547762019-02-09T11:13:29.357-08:002019-02-09T11:13:29.357-08:00@Diego So that's where you are wrong: Basques ...@Diego So that's where you are wrong: Basques are NOT derived or descended from La Brana, not even partly.<br /><br />The Braña is a typical European WHG with haplogroup Y C1a2 and Mit Hap- U5b. While C1a became extinct in Europe thousands of years ago, U5b is one of the most frequent mitochondrial haplogroups in contemporary Basques and Spaniards. So saying that we do not have blood from theGaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8984946576835228992019-02-09T09:55:57.684-08:002019-02-09T09:55:57.684-08:00comparing earlier Corded Ware runs with Poland/Hun...comparing earlier Corded Ware runs with Poland/Hungary<br />[1] "distance%=2.1159"<br /><br />Beaker_Hungary:I2787<br /><br />Yamnaya_Samara,56.4<br />Beaker_The_Netherlands,33<br />Barcin_N,10.6<br /><br /><br />[1] "distance%=2.7392"<br /><br />Beaker_Poland:I4253<br /><br />Beaker_The_Netherlands,47.8<br />Barcin_N,24.4<br />Yamnaya_Samara,23.4<br />WHG,4.4<br /><br /><br /ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00239954589937094679noreply@blogger.com