tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1459703955066989814..comments2024-03-19T01:54:52.313-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Who's your (proto) daddy Western Europeans?Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger257125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19198816187765870422017-11-27T05:11:08.026-08:002017-11-27T05:11:08.026-08:00Colin,
We can assume that Chalcolithic people, did...Colin,<br />We can assume that Chalcolithic people, did not have children at age 30. They probably died not much later than age 30!<br />So, probably had children at age 15. So would have grand children by the age of 35! So, in one century there would be the round 6th/8th generations. If something was happening at the beginning of copper age and there was rooming groups of males in Europe (Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-92108227593789286102017-11-26T08:59:15.994-08:002017-11-26T08:59:15.994-08:00@ Ric
"As far as I could see is that Davidsk...@ Ric<br /><br />"As far as I could see is that Davidski mentioned the Proto-Boleraz sample which looks very much like later Steppe Yamnaya"<br /><br />The Boleraz sample does not look like Yamnaya. I think you mean to say is David suggests that it has small amount of admixture from something Yamnaya -like. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13104645926906382812017-11-23T21:18:54.339-08:002017-11-23T21:18:54.339-08:00@Colin Welling
Davidski, Ive already explained ma...@Colin Welling<br /><br /><i>Davidski, Ive already explained many times why this cannot be. The amount of yamanaya admixture, the time frame, the homogeneity of these beakers. None of could happen with your theory, or inquiry.</i><br /><br />That's not me, it's the Bell Beaker Blogger.<br /><br />And I do think that this ship has sailed, but until L51 is found on the Eneolithic or Early Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46891045949933022682017-11-23T11:15:29.639-08:002017-11-23T11:15:29.639-08:00@ Colin
As far as I could see is that Davidski m...@ Colin <br /><br />As far as I could see is that Davidski mentioned the Proto-Boleraz sample which looks very much like later Steppe Yamnaya. So Yamnaya like people stretched from Samara to Hungary as early as 3800 BCE. So nothing is written in stone yet...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86208661855743598802017-11-22T22:24:03.408-08:002017-11-22T22:24:03.408-08:00http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com.au/2017/11/m...<i>http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com.au/2017/11/maternal-genetic-makeup-of-iberian.html<br /><br />How plausible is this from an mtDNA perspective given the current samples we have available?</i><br /><br />Davidski, Ive already explained many times why this cannot be. The amount of yamanaya admixture, the time frame, the homogeneity of these beakers. None of could happen with your theory, orpnuadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902973565704018427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8709000259205557662017-11-22T15:05:07.399-08:002017-11-22T15:05:07.399-08:00Yeah, I'm not making a thread about that paper...Yeah, I'm not making a thread about that paper. I'll just wait for the genotype data from Mathieson before I say anymore about GAC.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49104163244097512032017-11-22T14:31:24.074-08:002017-11-22T14:31:24.074-08:00The GAC paper doesn't honestly look very good....The GAC paper doesn't honestly look very good. f3 sharing is closest with Neolithic farmers, and they clade with Bell Beakers when put into a comparison with *only* *them* and steppe groups with less EEF ancestry than Central European BB? Ya really? And that's before getting into the unusually run PCA, ADMIXTURE, etc. analyses... <br /><br />It seems like it tells us less about the GAC Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82236128424572332602017-11-22T08:34:45.405-08:002017-11-22T08:34:45.405-08:00...From paper. Interesting.
"and we ran some......From paper. Interesting.<br /><br />"and we ran some preliminary analyses on it. In the neighbour joining (NJ) tree inferred from the ϕST pairwise distances estimated for this subset, the Early Bronze Age people, represented by the Srubnaya culture, appear connected with the eastern Corded Ware peoples, and also close to the Yamna. <b>The GAC samples are clearly separated from those Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19577304411629674382017-11-22T08:29:03.510-08:002017-11-22T08:29:03.510-08:00Nirjhar007,
GAC was exactly the same as Iberian Ch...Nirjhar007,<br />GAC was exactly the same as Iberian Chalc and sharing the same I2a2 as the Chalcolithic Portuguese samples.<br /><br />...What are they saying in the paper about bell beakers?Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22671846623124425312017-11-22T08:17:08.873-08:002017-11-22T08:17:08.873-08:00''nuclear (six individuals typed for 597 5... ''nuclear (six individuals typed for 597 573 SNPs) and mitochondrial (11 complete sequences) DNA from the GAC appear closer to those of earlier Neolithic groups than to the DNA of all other populations related to the Pontic steppe migration. Explicit comparisons of alternative demographic models via approximate Bayesian computation confirmed this pattern. These results are not in Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48486273531851936382017-11-22T07:45:29.317-08:002017-11-22T07:45:29.317-08:00@EastPole,
Its out... and nobody wants to talk abo...@EastPole,<br />Its out... and nobody wants to talk about it! Lol.Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64082488724360514442017-11-22T03:22:54.914-08:002017-11-22T03:22:54.914-08:00Globular Amphorae article is published
http://rsp...Globular Amphorae article is published<br /><br />http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/284/1867/20171540<br />EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30310725829552527812017-11-22T02:31:55.052-08:002017-11-22T02:31:55.052-08:00@Samuel Andrews,
Mtdna : I1, H2+152 and H15a1 at...@Samuel Andrews,<br />Mtdna : I1, H2+152 and H15a1 at 5500BC,<br /><br />What can you say about these? any thoughts? <br /><br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26913427435234500432017-11-21T22:39:20.962-08:002017-11-21T22:39:20.962-08:00Also, a poster on Iron age Finland DNA.
https://t...Also, a poster on Iron age Finland DNA.<br /><br />https://twitter.com/TCLamnidisSamuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22449569472968515652017-11-21T22:37:09.522-08:002017-11-21T22:37:09.522-08:00Leak about Genomes from Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov, 1500...Leak about Genomes from Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov, 1500 BC and 18th ad (Saami). Many years ago the mtDNA from these samples was sequenced.<br /><br />Bolshoy Oleni Ostro.<br /><br />https://twitter.com/TCLamnidis/status/932925959019393024<br /><br />Were the U4, U5a, C5, Z1a rich Karelians early Finno-Urgics? Did Finno Urgic emerge in a Asian-EHG mixed population? Excess SHG in Saami must be somehow Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35400623813362109252017-11-21T21:44:36.324-08:002017-11-21T21:44:36.324-08:00@Davidski,
"How plausible is this from an mtD...@Davidski,<br />"How plausible is this from an mtDNA perspective given the current samples we have available?"<br /><br />No. Northern Bell Beaker does show a good amount of Steppe mtDNA but still has a sizable majority of farmer mtDNA. <br /><br />An indirect way to demonstrate northern Bell Beaker wasn't a Corded Ware female-MN farmer male mix is showing the difference in mtDNA Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2537833840044481792017-11-21T21:15:12.253-08:002017-11-21T21:15:12.253-08:00If Beakers were V88, he might have something. It&#...If Beakers were V88, he might have something. It's kinda ridiculous to divorce L51 from Z2103. 2003 dies hard in some circles.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8563117865611926222017-11-21T21:12:10.761-08:002017-11-21T21:12:10.761-08:00@Samuel
Bell Beaker Blogger seems to have a theor...@Samuel<br /><br />Bell Beaker Blogger seems to have a theory that Bell Beakers derive their R1b from WHG-rich Middle Neolithic West-Central European males, and their steppe admixture from Corded Ware females.<br /><br />http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com.au/2017/11/maternal-genetic-makeup-of-iberian.html<br /><br />How plausible is this from an mtDNA perspective given the current samples we Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74340049333376492072017-11-21T20:51:28.114-08:002017-11-21T20:51:28.114-08:00You guys I can give you the mtDNA spin for everyth...You guys I can give you the mtDNA spin for everything. I know labels like K1a or H5 means nothing to you and mtDNA seems to be completly useless. I've been able to find regional variation pretty well. Also, with all the data I have it's very easy to put the evidence together and see how it points towards for a very specific geographic origin, time of migration, that type of stuff. <br /><Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29239837680162008912017-11-21T15:34:05.821-08:002017-11-21T15:34:05.821-08:00By the way, keep in mind though, that Globular Amp...By the way, keep in mind though, that Globular Amphora samples have already been analyzed in the Mathieson et al. preprint, so I'm not sure what new insights this new paper can offer?<br /><br />Here's what I said about them...<br /><br /><a href="http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2017/05/globular-amphora-people-starkly.html" rel="nofollow">Globular Amphora people starkly different from Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-741929546864555272017-11-21T15:01:11.511-08:002017-11-21T15:01:11.511-08:00The new paper on the Globular Amphora people and t...The new paper on the Globular Amphora people and the spread of Indo-European languages will be published today at this link.<br /><br />https://doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2017.1540<br /><br />I'll start a new thread for it later this week. Meantime feel free to discuss it here.<br /><br />If you haven't yet seen the abstract for the paper, it's at this link...<br /><br />https://Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86418366623437400142017-11-21T13:51:43.765-08:002017-11-21T13:51:43.765-08:00Re: height again, re-ran that regression on the Gr...Re: height again, re-ran that regression on the Grasgruber data with a control for distance from the equator: https://imgur.com/a/PYYdI<br /><br />Finds largely what you'd expect to find; West and East African genetic structure predicts tall height relative to latitude, similar to European structure, while short height relative to latitude is predicted by Siberian and to a greater extent Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52524343483630746602017-11-21T11:50:31.517-08:002017-11-21T11:50:31.517-08:00@Romulus, I can't really put in any samples th...@Romulus, I can't really put in any samples through the regression equation based on who don't have Global10 scores if I don't have the Global10 scores for them, and unfortunately, I think the Sunghirs are the only European UP that there are Global10 for in the data file I downloaded.<br /><br />A regression based on moderns does look to predict that the Sunghirs and Ust Ishim would Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31692356175512896732017-11-21T08:11:40.218-08:002017-11-21T08:11:40.218-08:00@Matt
Have you considered adding any of the Paleo...@Matt<br /><br />Have you considered adding any of the Paleo Europe samples to your dataset?<br /><br />Would be interesting to see where pre-WHG plots. Aurignacian and Gravettia skeletons were all measured to be quite tall, about 6ft.Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52542959575551311262017-11-21T06:27:54.242-08:002017-11-21T06:27:54.242-08:00@ Davidski
Does this sample predate the start of...@ Davidski <br /><br />Does this sample predate the start of Maykop ? If they are the same age then CHG in the Steppe clearly predate the Maykop formation ? So Steppe admixture was widely spread earlier than Yamnaya and Sredny Stog looks like the most likely candidate responsible for this early spread.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.com