tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1526863488690509516..comments2024-03-18T18:30:48.719-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Dead cat bounceDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger275125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84389105238245664632016-10-15T13:15:23.498-07:002016-10-15T13:15:23.498-07:00@OM
"That is a paradigm here in Echoland.&qu...@OM<br /><br />"<i>That is a paradigm here in Echoland.</i>"<br /><br />David allows for a large amount of disfunctional discussion to nevertheless take place. Counter-opinions pop up as per default on any thread. You yourself are an example of that.<br /><br />To call this "Echoland" is a grave insult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74119796505010514552016-10-15T00:22:42.970-07:002016-10-15T00:22:42.970-07:00@jijnasu
"Is it possible that the bengali wor...@jijnasu<br />"Is it possible that the bengali word you mentioned is derived from an alternate form like tRSita or taRSita?"<br /><br />No the meaning seems different. thirst, tEshTA and trshNA mean exactly the same thing and are nouns and have a retroflex suffix, The form you are suggesting shares the root but seems to be an adjective like thirsty not thirst and has a dental suffix.<brpostneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87893454880125577482016-10-14T16:48:37.743-07:002016-10-14T16:48:37.743-07:00The data is speaking for itself.
You can't pu...The data is speaking for itself.<br /><br />You can't push shit up a steep hill, neither can Balanovsky or Krause, because it will come rolling back down.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77480858593052916152016-10-14T15:22:34.345-07:002016-10-14T15:22:34.345-07:00@Davidsy,
sure. We all know that Balanovsky guy, o...@Davidsy,<br />sure. We all know that Balanovsky guy, or this Johannes Krause idiotic does not know shit about Ancient Dna. Its only you that have master the subject. That is a paradigm here in Echoland.<br /><br />Balanovsky stating that Y steppe haplotypes didnt go anywhere and this Krause retard making a map that does not show the steppe as the center of the universe must be abject and a totalOlympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56130757193726675862016-10-14T14:41:00.636-07:002016-10-14T14:41:00.636-07:00Yes, because obviously migrating cows spread Indo-...Yes, because obviously migrating cows spread Indo-European languages across Eurasia during the Bronze Age.<br /><br />Nevermind the lack of any evidence of admixture from Iran on the Bronze Age steppes, but plenty of evidence of a massive expansion of steppe males both into Europe and Asia at the time. They were obviously mutes.<br /><br />Mooooo!!!Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74004308609398499842016-10-14T14:24:02.766-07:002016-10-14T14:24:02.766-07:00@Jaydeepsinh Rathod
Still keeping abay of this E...@Jaydeepsinh Rathod <br /> Still keeping abay of this Echo chamber.<br /> However just noticing that for such a large, massive, Uber event of migrating people from the steppe to Europe... their cattle didnt really left a big mark in the overall broad region, did they?<br /><br />Follow metadata or even maps for percentages of cattle Haplotypes (t, t1, t2,t3).<br /><br /> In fact follow Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26227546159622319352016-10-14T13:31:36.230-07:002016-10-14T13:31:36.230-07:00@Jaydeepsinh Rathod
It is very probable that CHG ...@Jaydeepsinh Rathod<br /><br /><i>It is very probable that CHG and Iran_N sprang from the same ancestral source.</i><br /><br />But obviously this happened during the UPPER PALEOLITHIC and is irrelevant to the question of Yamnaya origins or the PIE debate.<br /><br />Why do you bring up such irrelevant points?<br /><br /><i>You have ignored the sharing of y-dna markers between Iran_Chl/Iran_N andDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67856863224962584122016-10-14T12:11:42.761-07:002016-10-14T12:11:42.761-07:00@Jaydeepsinh
The Laziridis mtDNA which wasn't...@Jaydeepsinh<br /><br />The Laziridis mtDNA which wasn't in the preprint was published in the completed paper. There were only a couple of the Iranians missing in the preprint, most of it is Natufian and PPNB. <br /><br />The only Iranian mtDNA sharing is J1c - a J1c11 in Iran_N and a J1c1b1a in Sintashta - but J1c1 was present already in the European Early Neolithic. (And that was in the capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30299327278127800412016-10-14T11:19:40.600-07:002016-10-14T11:19:40.600-07:00postneo,
"how do we know if zebu admix in it...postneo,<br /><br />"how do we know if zebu admix in italy is not recent or due to gradual diffusion from say anatolia. what are zebu levels in todays anatolian cows?"<br /><br />We know this because the Italian cattle in which we find the Zebu admixture is the Podolian cattle which is considered to have its origins in the steppe.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podolian_cattleAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02988573049183397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87195397594892381622016-10-14T11:14:38.248-07:002016-10-14T11:14:38.248-07:00David,
It is very probable that CHG and Iran_N sp...David,<br /><br />It is very probable that CHG and Iran_N sprang from the same ancestral source. The sharing of ydna J2a between CHG & Iran_N also points towards this likelihood. <br /><br />You have ignored the sharing of y-dna markers between Iran_Chl/Iran_N and Eneolithic_Karelia/modern Russia such as G1a & J2a. <br /><br />As far as the sharing of mtDNA markers is concerned, you know Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02988573049183397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10535277763291088512016-10-14T04:12:34.172-07:002016-10-14T04:12:34.172-07:00Rob
"The copper in the Khvalynsk Chief's...Rob<br /><br />"The copper in the Khvalynsk Chief's grave is of Balkan provenance, not Urals"<br /><br />Ty, I'd missed it had been tested.<br /><br />Which lead me to this.<br /><br />https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nKNOAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=khvalynsk+grave+copper+beads&source=bl&ots=BVnbRy9GMq&sig=xonm8njrE_8QHtNT7-pxf95zJQU&hl=en&sa=Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21437020704263402572016-10-14T02:27:03.072-07:002016-10-14T02:27:03.072-07:00@postneo
Is it possible that the bengali word you ...@postneo<br />Is it possible that the bengali word you mentioned is derived from an alternate form like tRSita or taRSita? The word though seems to have a complex history and looks like at has been reborrowed at some point into MIA or the early NIA predecessor of Bengali since it retains the consonant cluster ST rather than it becoming TTh as expected. It is possible to go on about this but letJijnasuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14851649346012458747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72763197472654806712016-10-13T20:06:54.712-07:002016-10-13T20:06:54.712-07:00@postneo
Well, I'm no expert, but as I unders...@postneo<br /><br />Well, I'm no expert, but as I understand it they are just two different suffixes to form a noun from a root. The Sanskrit one from <i>*-na</i> and the Germanic one from <i>*-tis</i>, both literally something like "dryness".<br /><br />The root <i>*t(e/o)rs-</i> "dry" is well-attested, e.g. Ancient Greek <i>térsomai</i> "to dry up", Irish <i>capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31512340108944596012016-10-13T16:26:37.127-07:002016-10-13T16:26:37.127-07:00@capra
the root is the same as you said.
the meani...@capra<br />the root is the same as you said.<br />the meaning of thirst and tṛṣṇā are the same.<br />Can you tell me the difference between the suffixes in the two cases<br /><br />btw I thought *tṛs was not part of PIE.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />postneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65370817787414168402016-10-13T11:00:30.167-07:002016-10-13T11:00:30.167-07:00@postneo
I don't get it, how is tṛṣṇā specifi...@postneo<br /><br />I don't get it, how is <i>tṛṣṇā</i> specifically related to <i>thirst</i>? They both have the root in zero grade *tṛs- but with different suffixes. capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46933021782743687052016-10-13T10:18:38.162-07:002016-10-13T10:18:38.162-07:00@jijnasu
you really don't have to try very har...@jijnasu<br />you really don't have to try very hard.<br /><br />Just look at the english word thirst and sanskrit trishNA, bengali tEshTA with retroflex nasal flap or simple stop. its a regular derivation from classical sanskrit to bengali, Its there in germanic as well but missing in non germanic and hence PIE.<br /><br />ver curious, wont say more ..postneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71816636633845783372016-10-13T10:07:35.066-07:002016-10-13T10:07:35.066-07:00@postneo
The poor representation of the Prakrits a...@postneo<br />The poor representation of the Prakrits and Apabhramshas in addition to the overalap between various regions has made it difficult to trace the evolution of NIA accurately. However as far as I am aware there is very little to suggest that NIA dialects owe their structure to other branches of IE (There is however evidence of influence from neighbouring non IE languages and some Jijnasuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14851649346012458747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24197107283909020532016-10-13T07:53:31.731-07:002016-10-13T07:53:31.731-07:00@jijnasu
As a simple exercise:
how do we derive s...@jijnasu<br />As a simple exercise:<br /><br />how do we derive some thing as basic as NIA (bhAI, bhAU, bhaiyyA) from sanskrit bhrAtarah.<br />What's the etymology of bhIR/bhID meaning crowd?<br />Perhaps its been done and I am ignorant.<br /><br />@jaydeep<br />how do we know if zebu admix in italy is not recent or due to gradual diffusion from say anatolia. what are zebu levels in todays postneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25592603199052556522016-10-13T06:59:47.632-07:002016-10-13T06:59:47.632-07:00@Jijnasu said...
"True most Modern Indian la...@Jijnasu said...<br /><br />"True most Modern Indian languages don't directly derive from classical Sanskrit, but they can all be traced to Old Indic dialects closely related to Rg Vedic"<br /><br />This is a myth ..NIA is often left uncharacterized. Talageri does not profess to be a linguist he has merely referd to others. As I read word lists say Masica's X list I see that postneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56160437761390328022016-10-13T06:33:30.722-07:002016-10-13T06:33:30.722-07:00@Jaydeepsinh Rathod
explain how South Asian Zebu...@Jaydeepsinh Rathod <br /><br /><i>explain how South Asian Zebu and South Asian sheep managed to introgress into the steppe. Also explain the dog aDNA from corded ware with South Asian dog and wolf admixture.</i><br /><br />The same way the WHG cultures such as Ertebolla that went along during the Neolithic got pigs with Anatolian mtDNA: Trade, or perhaps even raids.<br /><br /><br />@Open Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83600754887274387082016-10-13T05:49:57.659-07:002016-10-13T05:49:57.659-07:00Oh comon just read the research by Bomhard! :) . ...Oh comon just read the research by Bomhard! :) . Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50632402433013076692016-10-13T05:31:18.406-07:002016-10-13T05:31:18.406-07:00@ Nirjhar007
I thank you, but, tell me, if I read...@ Nirjhar007<br /><br />I thank you, but, tell me, if I read all the paper, may I reach other conclusions rather than those I reached from this quote?:<br /><br />The above observation is supported by Isaac (2007), who asserted that Gaulish had developed a tendency towards VSO word order by the 1st cent. BCE (Isaac 2007). The examples clearly show that verbal forms are followed either by a Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69351325291917861782016-10-13T05:11:43.897-07:002016-10-13T05:11:43.897-07:00Valid Points Jaydeep!.
Gioiello,
Why don't ...Valid Points Jaydeep!. <br /><br />Gioiello,<br /><br />Why don't you check his academia.edu profile. Don't expect to be spoon fed every time ;) . You are old and I love to help the old scholars but, you are not that old that you even can't get that article!. Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77151990646526210862016-10-13T04:43:21.177-07:002016-10-13T04:43:21.177-07:00@Gioiello
seems to agree with an internal and lat...@Gioiello<br /><br /><i>seems to agree with an internal and late development, as it is in Wackernagel's law.</i><br /><br />VSO order was still pretty common in Gaulish even before its near-standardization. Proto-Celtic probably also harbored VSO along with other word orders. <br /><br /><i>Now I am going to eat two eggs with a little bread and a glass of wine...</i><br /><br />Bon appetit!Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46447989958040703872016-10-13T04:19:21.091-07:002016-10-13T04:19:21.091-07:00@Jaydeepsinh Rathod
True most Modern Indian langu...@Jaydeepsinh Rathod <br />True most Modern Indian languages don't directly derive from classical Sanskrit, but they can all be traced to Old Indic dialects closely related to Rg Vedic. Some OIT theorists like Talageri suggest that the IA languages are far more diverse having amongst them features of various IE subfamilies. However except for traces of a lost kentum language in the Bangani Jijnasuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14851649346012458747noreply@blogger.com