tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1717167688746000478..comments2024-03-29T04:00:27.058-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Kurgan waves as far as the AtlanticDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger137125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52847958921999434012017-03-01T08:17:26.990-08:002017-03-01T08:17:26.990-08:00@truth...
"Everybody" knows that celtics...@truth...<br />"Everybody" knows that celtics were the only ones allowed to enter the TURDULI tribes (lusitanians) and inhabit their territory. <br />Its known how the bardilli (Turduli of the sado river) roamed freely with celtici into northern portugal until Galiza.<br /><br />Why were they allowed? Because were seen as the same stock as the locals.Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68193627710072915702017-02-28T20:48:55.038-08:002017-02-28T20:48:55.038-08:00Are the Celtic admixture as you mentioned closer t...Are the Celtic admixture as you mentioned closer to Q-Celtic or P-Celtic ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45909999449135458982017-02-28T16:28:18.383-08:002017-02-28T16:28:18.383-08:00@Ric
The best explanation for Gallaecia is that ...@Ric <br /><br />The best explanation for Gallaecia is that the area used to be Lusitanian-speaking and was subsequently Celticized, resulting in the strange mixed Celtic-Lusitanian character of Gallaecia. One very interesting aspect here is also that the Gallaecians continued to worship Lusitanian gods.<br /><br />As for Lusitanian, my interpretation is they were the first wave of Indo-European truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622344688109770244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54849795268889376352017-02-28T13:43:20.640-08:002017-02-28T13:43:20.640-08:00If the population that brought 30% of steppe genes...If the population that brought 30% of steppe genes was 50-60% Yamnaya, then there was a significant turn-over in all the Bronze Age iberian populations. A predominant new population with a new language and culture.alobrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09423410727800719199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89533728426542588402017-02-28T09:46:25.837-08:002017-02-28T09:46:25.837-08:00Traders and Miners from the North. What is 20% of ...Traders and Miners from the North. What is 20% of 1.5 Million within the Basque area ? It is only 300 000 Men. Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6394785561444439802017-02-28T09:25:01.861-08:002017-02-28T09:25:01.861-08:00How do you explain the Gallaecian and Lusatanian L...How do you explain the Gallaecian and Lusatanian Languages ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50813636327529524082017-02-28T07:18:32.572-08:002017-02-28T07:18:32.572-08:00@ Ric Hern
How do you explain then the 20% R1b-L2...@ Ric Hern<br /><br />How do you explain then the 20% R1b-L21 is some basque areas ?truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622344688109770244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14435802373765417022017-02-28T04:24:28.385-08:002017-02-28T04:24:28.385-08:00A Bilingual Culture ?A Bilingual Culture ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-747756157043228262017-02-28T04:20:01.519-08:002017-02-28T04:20:01.519-08:00Basically two Bell Beaker waves with one reaching ...Basically two Bell Beaker waves with one reaching Iberia quicker and with a Non-Indo-European language ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34741303376696380582017-02-28T04:05:32.318-08:002017-02-28T04:05:32.318-08:00True. Okay.Marija Gimbutas mentioned the Bell Beak...True. Okay.Marija Gimbutas mentioned the Bell Beaker looks like an Amalgam of Yamna and Vucedol Cultures. Could DF27 have adopted the Non-Indo-European Language of the Vucedol and taken a Maritime Route via the Adriatic to Iberia while R1b L21 retained the more Yamna like character and migrated over land via Germany towards the West ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16672913950231772622017-02-27T13:34:17.694-08:002017-02-27T13:34:17.694-08:00@Ric - "This also counts for the Language spo...@Ric - "This also counts for the Language spoken by R1b DF27. If 7 Million R1b DF27 Men speaks Indo European and only 2 Million R1b DF27 Men speak a Non-Indo-European Language,what is the chances of Indo-European not being the original language of R1b DF27 people ?"<br /><br />That doesn't have much to do with anything. I speak English and French, yet go back 10 generations and noneRyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50181237093527851372017-02-27T05:58:36.566-08:002017-02-27T05:58:36.566-08:00Yes Q-Celtic and Q-Italic vs. P-Celtic and P-Itali...Yes Q-Celtic and Q-Italic vs. P-Celtic and P-Italic.....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58275002736001464152017-02-27T05:34:42.192-08:002017-02-27T05:34:42.192-08:00Maybe the actual speaking of the Languages fell be...Maybe the actual speaking of the Languages fell better on the ear than the spelling fell on the eye. Heheheeeh.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26137156945263288442017-02-27T04:29:57.278-08:002017-02-27T04:29:57.278-08:00@ Ric Hern
If Latins would have been able to link...@ Ric Hern<br /><br />If Latins would have been able to link Lusitanian "MVITIEAS" with "mutuus" not any more pronounced *moiteuus, they would have been the first Indoeuropeanists, but certainly other words were more similar, above all for the Osco-Umbrian people.Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19163326527114589992017-02-27T04:10:13.505-08:002017-02-27T04:10:13.505-08:00Interesting. What this for me hints at is that som...Interesting. What this for me hints at is that some forms of Proto-Italic or Italo-Celtic was spoken in Iberia and it did not take much to Latinize the inhabitants.Isn't it interesting that the Romans focused their military efforts mostly within areas where Celtic were spoken. I think the close relatedness of the languages certainly helped withe the subjugation process. Spies could learn the Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24306411715852832322017-02-27T03:21:26.785-08:002017-02-27T03:21:26.785-08:00Ric Hern
"This also counts for the Language ...Ric Hern<br /><br />"This also counts for the Language spoken by R1b DF27. If 7 Million R1b DF27 Men speaks Indo European and only 2 Million R1b DF27 Men speak a Non-Indo-European Language,what is the chances of Indo-European not being the original language of R1b DF27 people ?"<br /><br />good point<br /><br />#<br /><br />Josep Coderch said...<br />"Hi, I'd like to know if itGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72787935581440807262017-02-26T23:40:41.057-08:002017-02-26T23:40:41.057-08:00@ Simon_W
This is my last analysis of the situatio...@ Simon_W<br />This is my last analysis of the situation of the hg. R-M269-PF7562, not different from what I said ten years ago, that I published in some blogs and fora. If you have something better, you may post that here. About the Novilara stele... I don't agree with you. One thing is to forge "Manios med phephaked Numasioi" and another is the test of the stele. The fact is that Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6619934095739775682017-02-26T22:02:00.818-08:002017-02-26T22:02:00.818-08:00This also counts for the Language spoken by R1b DF...This also counts for the Language spoken by R1b DF27. If 7 Million R1b DF27 Men speaks Indo European and only 2 Million R1b DF27 Men speak a Non-Indo-European Language,what is the chances of Indo-European not being the original language of R1b DF27 people ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-795903145283975262017-02-26T19:28:14.133-08:002017-02-26T19:28:14.133-08:00Maybe their percentage from the beginning never ex...Maybe their percentage from the beginning never exceeded 30% on average throughout the combined territories.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11069503291586137652017-02-26T19:06:55.764-08:002017-02-26T19:06:55.764-08:00What I'm trying to say is that percentages can...What I'm trying to say is that percentages can be misleading. Although the Basque can be 98% R1b DF27,they are only +-1,5 Mil Males while in the rest of Spain the Percentage could be 30% R1b DF27 but they would then be 7 Million Males. This could make the amount of R1b DF27 Men outside Basque Territory almost 5 times more. Does this then really point toward a replacement of R1b DF27 within Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55588550964213615682017-02-26T13:12:00.888-08:002017-02-26T13:12:00.888-08:00@ Simon_W
I was expecting some answer of yours fr...@ Simon_W<br /><br />I was expecting some answer of yours from the time of "Dienekes' Anthropology blog" about some inscription on Crete of probable Italic origin... but much water passed.<br />1) R-V88, R1b1-L389+, R-M335 surely come from the Italian Refugium, for that I didn't change my position, because it has been demonstrated true.<br />2) That R-M269 didn't come from Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3776195758392555332017-02-26T10:39:27.103-08:002017-02-26T10:39:27.103-08:00@Gioiello
About R1b-V88, relax! By calling it „pr...<br />@Gioiello<br /><br />About R1b-V88, relax! By calling it „predominantly African“ I wasn't saying anything about its origin, I was just referring to the place where it's most common now. Just like I did with calling R1b-M269 „predominantly West European“. Of course I don't believe that it originated there.<br /><br />And no, I'm not dogmatic, I just try to follow the evidenceSimon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83923909543499264072017-02-26T10:39:21.968-08:002017-02-26T10:39:21.968-08:00Hi, I'd like to know if it's possible that...Hi, I'd like to know if it's possible that there was a migration wave into the Iberian peninsula of R1b males who didn't speak an indo-european language.<br />I'm catalan myself and from what I've seen we have very high R1b ydna (around 80% I recall) but we didn't start speaking an indo-euro language until the romans came. The iberian language seems to be unclassified, butJosep Coderchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11818389718589201753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79767715712139240382017-02-26T06:36:28.844-08:002017-02-26T06:36:28.844-08:00If we take for example Andalucia (one of the most ...If we take for example Andalucia (one of the most Romanized regions of Spain) , then we can see very low levels of R-U152 :<br /><br />Myres et al. 2010 : 0.8% (1/127) <br />Valverde et al. 2015 : 4.0% (4/100) <br />That gives a total of about 2.20% R-U152 out of 60% R1b for Andalucia.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622344688109770244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76099926294159523672017-02-26T05:32:46.325-08:002017-02-26T05:32:46.325-08:00The Roman influences are small actually. Most R1b ...The Roman influences are small actually. Most R1b in Italy is U152, which is low in Iberia, unless roman influence was female-mediated, wich doesn't seem plausible. truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622344688109770244noreply@blogger.com