tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1964144731765867633..comments2024-03-28T10:03:24.453-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Major horse paper coming soonDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48686040987855869932018-09-04T08:57:16.540-07:002018-09-04T08:57:16.540-07:00@Davidski
Yes i know that this is not the "S...@Davidski<br /><br />Yes i know that this is not the "South Asia" paper.<br />The reason that i mention it is because i was wandering if it will take the same time as the "South Asia" paper to appear!<br />And the "South Asia" paper did not appear fully and it has been announced more than a year beforeSofia Aurorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01827613408666747869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80891503483843662372018-09-03T17:50:33.036-07:002018-09-03T17:50:33.036-07:00@Sofia Aurora
A number of papers have been publis...@Sofia Aurora<br /><br />A number of papers have been published recently dealing with horse domestication that have answered a number of key questions. But this one will focus on the really big question of where the modern domesticated horse clade ultimately comes from.<br /><br />This isn't the South Asian paper. The South Asian paper, or rather papers, are based on human DNA not horse DNA, Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47518927213907036832018-09-03T10:22:49.075-07:002018-09-03T10:22:49.075-07:00@Davidski
David is the paper going to come in a f...@Davidski<br /><br />David is the paper going to come in a few months or it will turn out to be the "South Asia" paper???<br /><br />Also i find it to be too optimistic!!<br />A single paper will solve the horse domestication issue?<br />A doubt it.<br />Of course it is a welcomed new paper that will add things but i find its announcement very pompous!Sofia Aurorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15678974115562789810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31044045939051839732018-09-03T10:05:16.769-07:002018-09-03T10:05:16.769-07:00@ MaxT
Well there seemed to be two different siz...@ MaxT <br /><br />Well there seemed to be two different size horses among remains at Alikemek-Tepesi and bigger horses among Bell Beaker and also in the Czech Republic and Hungary....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38148636849938272762018-09-03T08:28:23.177-07:002018-09-03T08:28:23.177-07:00Just a couple of points I think need to be made on...Just a couple of points I think need to be made on the linguistic side:<br /><br />- PIE is absolutely NOT the result of "creolization" or similar. Creoles are characteristically simple and regular, because they evolve to cope with vast numbers of second-language learners. PIE, by contrast, is insanely and unnecessarily complicated. It's phonologically improbable, syntactically a Wastrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668240908427382435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15185283882487115572018-09-03T07:59:28.969-07:002018-09-03T07:59:28.969-07:00@Eastpole quotes Zimmer saying:
'I would like ...@Eastpole quotes Zimmer saying:<br />'I would like to make an appeal to linguists and archaeologists to abstain from using the term Indo-European or ‘Proto-Indo-European’ for anything older than roughly 2500 BC.'<br />There is here an issue. Remember that the oldest identified language split is between the Anatolian languages and the rest. Proto-Indo-European is a word used by most Nedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587106110216098897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40946057016571626492018-09-03T07:30:17.538-07:002018-09-03T07:30:17.538-07:00@Davidski
As long as thr Ponic8 Steppe isn't i...@Davidski<br />As long as thr Ponic8 Steppe isn't in Europe the Indians will be happy.Palacistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18084796325189953926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16752994382209390932018-09-03T07:11:20.250-07:002018-09-03T07:11:20.250-07:00@Ric Hern
The question seems to be "From Wher...@Ric Hern<br /><i>The question seems to be "From Where ?"</i> <br /><br />In interview he says <i>"maybe in Eastern Europe and maybe in areas south of that"</i><br /><br />These were most likely very small pony-like horses. Horses in bronze and iron age weren't as big as today. I would say it would be something-similar to Caspain horse breed we see today in terms of MaxThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920295419805648337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79236560781012878512018-09-03T05:51:05.580-07:002018-09-03T05:51:05.580-07:00So I guess Ukraine is in Central Asia. Hmmm...inte...So I guess Ukraine is in Central Asia. Hmmm...interesting. Does that mean that Poland is in West Asia? Haha.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41547578693541679932018-09-03T05:41:28.801-07:002018-09-03T05:41:28.801-07:00According to Indian newspapers the Pontic-Caspian ...According to Indian newspapers the Pontic-Caspian Steppe is in Central Asia.Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17386123430230365251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77342862942327802352018-09-03T02:48:08.570-07:002018-09-03T02:48:08.570-07:00I wonder what type of horse was depicted in the So...I wonder what type of horse was depicted in the Southern Urals, Kapova Cave Painting ? It certainly didn't look small compared to the Wooly Rhino...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65995795460129233682018-09-03T02:35:54.997-07:002018-09-03T02:35:54.997-07:00@Davidski
“Have a look at these mixture models usi...@Davidski<br />“Have a look at these mixture models using my own genome. Note how Yamnaya, Corded Ware and the early Slavs melt into each other. Coincidence? I don't think so.”<br /><br />I am only saying that not everything is clear and certain for me at this stage.<br />Corded Ware is a better fit for you than Yamnaya, and Corded Ware probably originated from Western Yamnaya as a result of EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79625581039878435012018-09-03T02:23:14.849-07:002018-09-03T02:23:14.849-07:00I think when looking at the probable continuation ...I think when looking at the probable continuation of interaction of People on the Steppe since 8000 BCE till +-3900 BCE because of periodic Climate changes and the shifting plant and animal resources which they followed it is not totally loony to think that there was a long time of dialect levelling happening in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe maybe more intensely from 6000 to 4000 BCE...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58829007845930878162018-09-03T02:07:03.252-07:002018-09-03T02:07:03.252-07:00And it looks like they are reevaluating how the ho...And it looks like they are reevaluating how the horse could have been used during early domestication...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61677140848490422532018-09-03T02:00:33.804-07:002018-09-03T02:00:33.804-07:00Looking at the video it seems that some type of do...Looking at the video it seems that some type of domesticated horse spread from the West into Central Asia. The question seems to be "From Where ?" <br /><br />Also an interesting focus on the Spotted Horse Colour. It sounds as if the Spotted Horse from Botai remains looks like an import from somewhere else....<br /><br />We see Spotted Horses in Cave Paintings in Western Europe. We see Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43478212154218774412018-09-03T01:51:00.979-07:002018-09-03T01:51:00.979-07:00@EastPole
I understand what you're saying, bu...@EastPole<br /><br />I understand what you're saying, but considering the very close relationship between Yamnaya and the almost certain direct ancestors of present-day Indo-Europeans rich in R1b-M269 and R1a-M417, the eastern Bell Beakers and Corded Ware people, it's very difficult for me to accept that Yamnaya wasn't Indo-European.<br /><br />Have a look at these mixture models Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47324203069244697142018-09-03T01:42:13.715-07:002018-09-03T01:42:13.715-07:00Professor Alan Outram says that the status of the ...Professor Alan Outram says that the status of the horse in Yamnaya culture is not completely clear:<br /><br />https://youtu.be/50o0KSWB42Y?t=615<br /><br />So it is also not completely clear that Yamnaya was PIE. <br />Maybe PIE originated after Yamnaya as a result of expanding of Yamnaya tribes to the west, mixing with Post-Stog tribes and CT/GAC.<br /><br />“ON DATING PROTO-INDO-EUROPEAN: A EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.com