tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2008815353589508931..comments2024-03-18T16:45:07.415-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: R1b-M269 in AfanasievoDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger150125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74133809507139899362017-03-02T12:30:12.492-08:002017-03-02T12:30:12.492-08:00@Arza & East Pole
There mere fact that a meth...@Arza & East Pole<br /><br />There mere fact that a method centuries ago was misused and wrongly applied by a a handful of biased and obviously silly people doesn't prove that the whole method is shit. There are enough crackpots misusing maths to prove Einstein was wrong, yet this doesn't prove maths is BS. Indeed, without PIE reconstruction and regular sound-laws there would be no Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14909785026009760232017-03-02T06:31:39.849-08:002017-03-02T06:31:39.849-08:00i cant believe we missed this. I looked so hard fo...i cant believe we missed this. I looked so hard for such results before the first yamnaya results in 2015. <br /><br />Was this the elusive r1b in afanasievo rumor we heard about in which russian researchers knew of the results?pnuadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902973565704018427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23824329335565091172017-03-02T05:04:49.114-08:002017-03-02T05:04:49.114-08:00I finally figured out why the argument over Yamnay...I finally figured out why the argument over Yamnaya and horses irritates me so much; it's because the goal posts shifted.<br /><br />The actual argument is (or was)...<br /><br />CT and PIE coexisted for a long time and then CT disappeared, so why?<br /><br />who knows - draw up a list of possibilities like<br />- climate<br />- plague<br />- displaced by PIE<br />etc<br /><br />and then the Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9140199305885709082017-03-02T02:48:01.638-08:002017-03-02T02:48:01.638-08:00ah crap. I suspected! . ah crap. I suspected! . Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59787630617283869592017-03-02T02:46:05.357-08:002017-03-02T02:46:05.357-08:00He's talking about Andronovo.
http://eurogene...He's talking about Andronovo.<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2009/05/ancient-siberians-carrying-r1a1-had_24.htmlDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82116298188785258212017-03-02T02:42:11.547-08:002017-03-02T02:42:11.547-08:00I remember that there was old data (or claims abou...<i>I remember that there was old data (or claims about data) about 9 out 10 Minusinsk basin Afanisevo samples being YHg R1a, but of course I cannot find that now. Is thre anybody else remembeing that? Was that fake?</i><br /><br />That can change things, can anyone confirm about this?.<br /><br />Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4635926953889465482017-03-02T02:26:12.967-08:002017-03-02T02:26:12.967-08:00@ wagg
Of course we cannot think that people was ...@ wagg<br /><br />Of course we cannot think that people was composed from only one haplogroup. There were many, but, as time passes, it is natural that in one group of people prevails an haplogroup and in another another. I tried only to follow the hg. R1b, but of course R1b and R1a (and I think at least also I/J) were together in many places of the hunter-gatherers of the Siberian corridor.Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83380182579136933632017-03-02T01:55:29.519-08:002017-03-02T01:55:29.519-08:00The Xiaohe were indeed R1a (with mostly mtDNA C4 I...The Xiaohe were indeed R1a (with mostly mtDNA C4 IIRC (which is found in the Altai)) but IIRC, Y-DNA R1b is found in the Tarim basin nowadays, even though I can't remember the subclade(s), so... calm down with the certitudes, guys. wagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13582568982610797947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52037965109673017662017-03-02T01:26:38.683-08:002017-03-02T01:26:38.683-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Al Bundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591147692142810564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56028415214882063372017-03-01T23:59:19.151-08:002017-03-01T23:59:19.151-08:00@Raf
We have no idea what those prehistoric peopl...@Raf<br /><br />We have no idea what those prehistoric people spoke. We can guess, but they are only at best educated guesses.<br /><br />So far as I know the oldest known "Indo European" language is Hittite (Turkey) from around 1500 BCE. None of the older cultures are known to speak Indo European. None. Whatsoever. There is absolutely no evidence of any kind. Nothing.<br /><br />AAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1900850659033832652017-03-01T23:58:12.898-08:002017-03-01T23:58:12.898-08:00@Raf
We have no idea what those prehistoric peopl...@Raf<br /><br />We have no idea what those prehistoric people spoke. We can guess, but they are only at best educated guesses.<br /><br />So far as I know the oldest known "Indo European" language is Hittite (Turkey) from around 1500 BCE. None of the older cultures are known to speak Indo European. None. Whatsoever. There is absolutely no evidence of any kind. Nothing.<br /><br />AAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76228188020628168802017-03-01T23:53:48.331-08:002017-03-01T23:53:48.331-08:00@ Aram
"https://yfull.com/tree/E-M81/
E-M81P...@ Aram<br /><br />"https://yfull.com/tree/E-M81/<br />E-M81PF2553/M5311 * CTS8282/Z1194/M5248 * CTS665/PF2482/M5018+147 SNPs formed 14200 ybp, TMRCA 2200 ybp"<br /><br />I have discussed a lot with Berbers on Facebook blogs, and I wouldn't give for discounted that the E-M81 of to-day are the descendants of the ancestors of 14200 years ago. They, as also E-L19, may have come from Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67124079883585392322017-03-01T23:48:45.134-08:002017-03-01T23:48:45.134-08:00I remember that there was old data (or claims abou...I remember that there was old data (or claims about data) about 9 out 10 Minusinsk basin Afanisevo samples being YHg R1a, but of course I cannot find that now. Is thre anybody else remembeing that? Was that fake?Slumberyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139930329199925111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33849896488138563472017-03-01T23:42:15.604-08:002017-03-01T23:42:15.604-08:00Mesolithic R1s in East Europe were probably para-p...Mesolithic R1s in East Europe were probably para-pre-PIE speakers. By pre-PIE I mean the language of EHG folks before they admixed with Basal Eurasians.<br /><br />Here it is an example.<br /><br />""Proto-Berber shows features that clearly distinguish it from all other branches of Afroasiatic, but modern Berber languages are relatively homogeneous. Whereas the split from the other Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47008656676521714632017-03-01T22:57:07.575-08:002017-03-01T22:57:07.575-08:00@Rafs
R1a only starts being associated with autos...@Rafs<br /><br /><i>R1a only starts being associated with autosomal steppe admixture later on, with populations - the Corded Ware, the Srubna - that are either later in time or the result of geographical expansion.</i><br /><br />Khvalynsk has R1a, and it's seen as Proto-IE. Yamnaya is seen as Late Proto-IE.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-627711073073247892017-03-01T21:47:52.252-08:002017-03-01T21:47:52.252-08:00@ Aram
Chances are high that Afanasevo had this ...@ Aram <br /><br />Chances are high that Afanasevo had this branch<br />https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS8966/<br />Notice that Chinese on top. There is also a Bhutanese there but not on Yfull. <br /><br />@ James Bond<br />"Interesting, thanks :)"<br /><br />R-CTS8966 CTS7763 * CTS8966 * CTS24375300 ybp, TMRCA CI 95% 58003300 ybp" class="age"formed 6100 ybp, TMRCA 4500 Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89651675862748682202017-03-01T21:38:14.192-08:002017-03-01T21:38:14.192-08:00@John Smith
R1a and R1b dominate Western Europe, ...@John Smith<br /><br />R1a and R1b dominate Western Europe, USA and Australasia. R1b sits at about 70% and R1a is the next most significant group. Also look at where the genetic testing companies started and are most popular today geographically. <br /><br />People are most interested in themselves.<br /><br />Also the R1b story is excitingly controversial and historically important for Europe.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49481171912031015732017-03-01T20:57:11.524-08:002017-03-01T20:57:11.524-08:00Aram,
Chances are high that Afanasevo had this bra...Aram,<br /><i>Chances are high that Afanasevo had this branch<br />https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS8966/<br />Notice that Chinese on top. There is also a Bhutanese there but not on Yfull.</i><br /><br />Interesting, thanks :) . Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71882076672038984772017-03-01T20:47:08.678-08:002017-03-01T20:47:08.678-08:00"Meanwhile, R1b is associated with several no..."Meanwhile, R1b is associated with several non-IE groups such as Chadic speakers and some other groups in Africa"<br /><br />That's silly. From the fact that other groups possess R1b you can't conclude that it isn't original to IE, too. Proto-IE weren't born from the ground, with wholly new haplogroups, and no connection to other populations.<br /><br />And R1a appears Rafshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746094202823415912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61010545028509485152017-03-01T20:45:31.526-08:002017-03-01T20:45:31.526-08:00Chances are high that Afanasevo had this branch
ht...Chances are high that Afanasevo had this branch<br />https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS8966/<br />Notice that Chinese on top. There is also a Bhutanese there but not on Yfull. <br /><br />Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64181543693053169162017-03-01T20:39:55.302-08:002017-03-01T20:39:55.302-08:00I think R1a will also be found from Palaic or Hitt...I think R1a will also be found from Palaic or Hittite aDNA , if aDNA is possible .<br /><br />Also Greek Mycenaean . <br /><br />Mitra ratna,<br /><br />You need to drink more then .<br /><br />lol .Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15905682034848919952017-03-01T20:31:57.581-08:002017-03-01T20:31:57.581-08:00@ Nirjhar007
"Control your drinking habits ... @ Nirjhar007<br /> <br />"Control your drinking habits mitra ratna :D"<br /><br />It is early morning here and I drink a glass of wine only after dinner. The genetic explication was easier to me, but I'll give you also a linguistic explication next, but it needs more time.<br /><br />Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57135368601363364962017-03-01T20:23:52.782-08:002017-03-01T20:23:52.782-08:00Control your drinking habits mitra ratna :D
lol. ...Control your drinking habits mitra ratna :D<br /><br />lol. Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55387337928575747602017-03-01T20:19:14.560-08:002017-03-01T20:19:14.560-08:00After having read the paper of Mallory on Tocharia...After having read the paper of Mallory on Tocharians it seems to me clear that the R-L23-Z2103 of Samara spoke the IE language which became Tocharian and migratd Eastward forming R-L23-Z2103-CTS9733 and other minor subclades found in Asia as R-Z2106 etc. Their origins were of course from Central Europe after the migration out of the Alpine Refugium where centum IE was forming. Some of the Samara Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71781053071928671432017-03-01T20:00:27.128-08:002017-03-01T20:00:27.128-08:00Is everyone posting on this thread drunk? It's...Is everyone posting on this thread drunk? It's only Wednesday guys.capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.com