tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2193346162909990060..comments2024-03-19T00:15:33.844-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Likely Yamnaya incursion(s) into Northwestern IranDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger265125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33735226112254427952021-02-08T15:40:58.126-08:002021-02-08T15:40:58.126-08:00I2327 was pulled out of lower graves dated to the ...I2327 was pulled out of lower graves dated to the Chalcolithic. They dated it three times and then say, it is actually a "Bronze Age" sample, and they didn't even publish the correction formally. Narasimhan et al have an unethical Pro-Steppe biasTminushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14670330637347557641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39618930905900207512018-12-01T15:38:34.853-08:002018-12-01T15:38:34.853-08:00@Rip Bailey
Also, I2327, is not autosomally diffe...@Rip Bailey<br /><br /><i>Also, I2327, is not autosomally different from the other Neolithic samples as it too lacks Steppe Ancestry.</i><br /><br />The chances of this are 0%. Do you know why? Because of this...<br /><br />Mbuti EHG Hajji_Firuz_ChL Hajji_Firuz_ChL_I2327 0.0151 3.737<br /><br />Try pulling your head out of your ass. You might find it an enlightening experience.<br /><br />And if Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62683177132524769852018-12-01T07:09:03.176-08:002018-12-01T07:09:03.176-08:00The Hajji Firuz site is known for having well pres...The Hajji Firuz site is known for having well preserved archaeological layers on the grave-side of the burial mound. The R1b-M269 sample, labeled I2327, was found in the 'sub'-grave 'K10', which lied buried neatly under well documented layers we can date by looking at pottery and other finds in those layers. Besides, his grave lied in the same burial mound as graves 'F10' Rip Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07520132947213573346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44729765729899472312018-11-23T22:12:16.690-08:002018-11-23T22:12:16.690-08:00@Davidksi Those two light-skinned, light-eyed red-...@Davidksi Those two light-skinned, light-eyed red-headed samples, and these likely Bronze Age Z2103 samples from NW Iran fit perfectly with this:<br /><br />http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/112/30/9190/F1.large.jpg<br /><br />The Zagrosian branch of the K-A culture would then be the Gutians.<br /><br />This doesn't necessarily invalidate Z2103 from the Steppe (even though I personally think Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57110682426040564972018-11-23T20:21:18.060-08:002018-11-23T20:21:18.060-08:00@An Idiot
Z2103 is native to the steppe and the Z...@An Idiot<br /><br />Z2103 is native to the steppe and the Z2103 in Yamnaya isn't from Kura-Araxes, because Yamnaya doesn't have any Kura-Araxes (Armenia_EBA) ancestry.<br /><br />See here...<br /><br /><a href="https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/11/yamnaya-home-grown.html" rel="nofollow">Yamnaya: home-grown</a><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12025435663784416432018-11-23T20:09:47.746-08:002018-11-23T20:09:47.746-08:00This is probably why the big wigs see Kura-Araxes ...This is probably why the big wigs see Kura-Araxes as the ultimate IE homeland, btw - this Z2103 just has to be from Kura-Araxes. It is the only expansion from the Caucasus Southwards during that time period, as Yamnaya never entered West Asia.<br /><br />So, basically, they've likely found L23/Z2103 in the Southern Caucasus around the time of the K-A culture (as otherwise it would be absurd Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-298794771097259562018-05-15T09:21:17.753-07:002018-05-15T09:21:17.753-07:00Aram and Me few years ago said that Z2103 come to ...Aram and Me few years ago said that Z2103 come to Armenia,Iran from North and this gays was gutians ;)Mherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14568243166053658305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54218044401755888822018-04-27T14:18:15.073-07:002018-04-27T14:18:15.073-07:00@PF
Indeed, and this substructure is not unexpec...@PF <br /><br />Indeed, and this substructure is not unexpected, to be frank. Southern Levant was always somewhat of a transitional zone between Arabia and Near East proper. <br /><br />Couple of quick runs and consistent with what you're getting. Both were given an identical set of populations to choose from. <br /><br /> Sidon_BA <br />Armenia_EBA 39.8%<br />BedouinB 34.7%<br />Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45510713333411544742018-04-27T07:24:49.231-07:002018-04-27T07:24:49.231-07:00The Canaanite genomes finally up! Thanks Open Geno...The Canaanite genomes finally up! Thanks Open Genomes and Davidski. <br /><br />Doing a very quick run here using older populations... yes, the Sidon samples are quite similar to the previous Ain Ghazal samples, as noted in the paper, but I do think there is some subtle substructure in the Levant at that time that can be picked up here. Sidon_BA pulls towards both Anatolian and Iranian farmers PFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13780789381709373839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38226053738252422912018-04-27T02:43:15.833-07:002018-04-27T02:43:15.833-07:00@Open Genomes
So, what's the verdict on the B...@Open Genomes<br /><br />So, what's the verdict on the BAM file for that accession? Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61916318667285282542018-04-27T02:04:22.468-07:002018-04-27T02:04:22.468-07:00@Onur Dincer
When I use your Cretan-Armenian-Kar...@Onur Dincer <br /><br />When I use your Cretan-Armenian-Karluk setup w/Cherkes thrown in, the sample no longer has a particular affinity for them, <i>but</i> the Armenian signal is spiked instead relative to the others from Aydin. The fit didn't change much. So, not too sure. I wouldn't be surprised either way, though, because a cursory investigation yielded this:<br />https://Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55740612578225408252018-04-26T22:46:36.901-07:002018-04-26T22:46:36.901-07:00@Anthro Survey
Re/Aydin: Could well be an artifac...@Anthro Survey<br /><br /><i>Re/Aydin: Could well be an artifact, sure. Anatolia and Caucasus do overlap quite a bit both in terms of deep and more recent ancestry. When I did a quick run of the individuals comprising the average, Ayddin18483 was somewhat of an outlier so that might be a reason, too.</i><br /><br />An artifact probably. Aydin18438 does not seem like an outlier to me. Even if he Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78890704016325328552018-04-26T21:55:33.270-07:002018-04-26T21:55:33.270-07:00Nice to see back Frank! :).Nice to see back Frank! :).Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33152893424535762632018-04-26T19:11:59.939-07:002018-04-26T19:11:59.939-07:00Someone should do Y DNA analysis of Narasimhan 201...Someone should do Y DNA analysis of Narasimhan 2018's genomes. Geneticker seems to be busy.Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42751079679371700472018-04-26T18:45:05.277-07:002018-04-26T18:45:05.277-07:00In fact, Celtic type finds can be seen all the way...In fact, Celtic type finds can be seen all the way to the Black Sea. They are thought to be in part responsible for the demise of the scythian rule, and shifted the culture from Scythianoid forts to a series of La Tene influenced groups <br />However given this expansion occurred during a phase of cremation ritual, imaginably there aren’t many Eastern Celt finds to sample, but am keen to be Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11963378205491817152018-04-26T15:35:51.381-07:002018-04-26T15:35:51.381-07:00On Celts in the Danubian Basin, note
https://en.wi...On Celts in the Danubian Basin, note<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotini<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scordisci<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts_in_Transylvania<br /><br />The Tabula Peutingerania (ca. 375 AD) lists, a.o., the following Celtic place names:<br />- Brigantio (Komarno)<br />- Singidunum (Belgrade).<br /><br />An older German PhD study suggests, based on FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19615175589622991802018-04-26T15:35:05.261-07:002018-04-26T15:35:05.261-07:00It might be noteworthy that although there are &qu...It might be noteworthy that although there are "French-like" LBA Hungarian samples, these samples to have a specific position with towards Slavic/modern Hungarian in G25 and Davidski's "North European specific" PCA (where populations from modern Eastern Europe are closer to Baltic BA). But DA111 and DA119 don't, for whatever reason.<br /><br />(Although I don't Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89451984174689840962018-04-26T15:33:05.085-07:002018-04-26T15:33:05.085-07:00@Richard Rocca
These males are I2a1 positive:
Bea...@Richard Rocca<br /><br />These males are I2a1 positive:<br />Beaker_Iberia_no_steppe:I4229<br />Iberia_ChL:atp002<br />Iberia_ChL:I1303<br />Portugal_LNCA:DolmenAnsiao96B<br /><br />Iberia_Southwest_CA:I6601 is potentially I2a1, as well. <br /><br />Of the following(WHG-poorer samples), 2 are females and one is a non-I2a1 male, but they are from the same same location as 1303: <br />Iberia_ChL:Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36572917275289790262018-04-26T15:21:08.422-07:002018-04-26T15:21:08.422-07:00@Onur Dincer
Yeah, I'm aware of this sample a...@Onur Dincer<br /><br />Yeah, I'm aware of this sample and the existence of others for the region and time period you've specified and was just envisioning parsimonious historical scenarios. We'll get to the bottom of it when the paper is published. <br /><br />Re/Aydin: Could well be an artifact, sure. Anatolia and Caucasus do overlap quite a bit both in terms of deep and more recentAnthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15402442566539018422018-04-26T14:32:56.669-07:002018-04-26T14:32:56.669-07:00@Anthro Survey
Oh, I doubt these samples belong t...@Anthro Survey<br /><br /><i>Oh, I doubt these samples belong to ancient Celts. We have to remember, though, that *Celt-like* groups probably existed around Czechia and Hungary(Late Rome's fringes, basically) circa when the Hunnic confederation made its mark.</i><br /><br />There were already French-like genomes in what is now Hungary during the Late Bronze Age (look for LBA_Hungary in this Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73088870345157918132018-04-26T13:46:03.390-07:002018-04-26T13:46:03.390-07:00@Joukowski Transform
How did those R1a Z94 Ashina...@Joukowski Transform<br /><br /><i>How did those R1a Z94 Ashina look?</i><br /><br />We do not have any ancient DNA samples specifically from the Ashina ruling clan of the medieval Turkic Khanate of Central/Inner Asia and as a result we do not know the autosomal makeup and haplogroups of the ruling house. But since they mostly lived in the eastern parts of the Turkic Khanate, I expect them mostlyOnur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11054894788006163012018-04-26T13:37:07.626-07:002018-04-26T13:37:07.626-07:00Thank you, Dave, for adding DA222 (medieval Karluk...Thank you, Dave, for adding DA222 (medieval Karluk) to your Global 25 datasheets. I did Global 25 nMonte runs for the Kayseri Turkish and Aydin Turkish averages using the central Anatolian Greek, Cretan Greek and Armenian averages and the medieval Karluk sample as the input populations to characterize the genetics of eastern central Anatolian Turks and southwestern Anatolian Turks respectively Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87652499257569040702018-04-26T12:12:31.807-07:002018-04-26T12:12:31.807-07:00@Onur Dincer
"He is too North European-admix...@Onur Dincer<br /><br />"He is too North European-admixed to be Central Asian Turkic. He is probably Uralic or Uralic-admixed or from some ancient population whose genetics we do not know."<br /><br />How did those R1a Z94 Ashina look?<br />Joukowski Transformhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01217398874094350181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20537742338532628722018-04-26T10:25:46.249-07:002018-04-26T10:25:46.249-07:00@Nick Patterson (Broad)
The "trade secret&qu...@Nick Patterson (Broad)<br /><br />The "trade secret" <i>aligned</i> BAM files from Haber et al. (2018) and the Welcome Trust. They should know better!<br /><br /><a href="ftp://ngs.sanger.ac.uk/scratch/project/team19/Sidon_BA/" rel="nofollow">ftp://ngs.sanger.ac.uk/scratch/project/team19/Sidon_BA/</a>Open Genomeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207443325849433636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19709396102941094942018-04-26T10:23:01.735-07:002018-04-26T10:23:01.735-07:00@David
The long-awaited 4 remaining Bronze Age Le...@David<br /><br />The long-awaited 4 remaining Bronze Age Levantine Amorite/Canaanite genomes are here.<br />You can decide which ones have enough coverage for Global 25:<br /><br />ERS1790729:<br /><a href="http://www.open-genomes.org/genomes/Haber%20(2017)/ERS1790729/genome_ERS1790729-1240k.zip" rel="nofollow">http://www.open-genomes.org/genomes/Haber%20(2017)/ERS1790729/Open Genomeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207443325849433636noreply@blogger.com