tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2217032013134904043..comments2024-03-18T16:45:07.415-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Failure to replicateDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger113125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58069505437275996402017-03-21T13:14:55.082-07:002017-03-21T13:14:55.082-07:00@ Ric and Salden . You know I just thought about ...@ Ric and Salden . You know I just thought about this. We know for a FACT that Villabruna had a tall, lean tropical body, black skin and most likely blue eyes and R1b. Did these incoming lighter skinned female Neolithic women from Africa have a preference for tall, black, and handsome hunter gatherer men? You know the phrase. Thoughts? You know where I am going with this don’t you?<br /><br /xyymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12265976800220862500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40660818069358683932017-03-21T08:15:34.104-07:002017-03-21T08:15:34.104-07:00To those who don’t get it. There is no such thing...To those who don’t get it. There is no such thing as Eurasian/Non-African Admixture! There never was and never will be. @ K2 “non-African”/Eurasian is found in Africans from the Cape of South Africa to the tip of Morocco or Tunisia and the Suez. “Non-African” SNP is ALSO of African origin that is why it is found all throughout Africa. It is called Isolation by Distance or Genetic Surfing. xyymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12265976800220862500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21573086245914061362017-03-21T06:35:29.257-07:002017-03-21T06:35:29.257-07:00*better*betterxyymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12265976800220862500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48052441085087291402017-03-21T06:34:54.988-07:002017-03-21T06:34:54.988-07:00No Salden! you are not talking to an Afro-Centric....No Salden! you are not talking to an Afro-Centric. You are talking someone who has far batter analytical ability than you could ever dream of. FYI. I have no clue who is Yakub and I have a small idea of what is a Moor. Typical stupid…people. Can’t prove me wrong on a scientific level. Throw their hands in the air and stump out of the room crying foul. You are out of your league. You are xyymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12265976800220862500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37314502386950518402017-03-19T09:43:54.014-07:002017-03-19T09:43:54.014-07:00"Are the depigmented Northeast Asians also fr..."Are the depigmented Northeast Asians also from Africa less than 10 000 years ago ?"<br /> answer: no!<br /><br />Anyone with half a brain knows there were essentially TWO migration OOA. The first led to East Asians/Native Americans/Andamans/Onge etc. The second led Modern Europeans and other Eurasians as far as the Harrapan Valley. Sergi is being proven correct.<br /><br />East xyymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12265976800220862500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65671545347285066502017-03-19T04:44:05.512-07:002017-03-19T04:44:05.512-07:00Typical delusional.......people. Believing in fan...Typical delusional.......people. Believing in fantasy. Did anyone of you "delusionist" actually look at Villabruna genetic profile? Villabruna carried ANCESTRAL alleles for skin pigmentation for BLACK skin. Why don't you all stop fooling yourselves and face facts. <br /><br />Villabruna came from a low latitude geographic region. Oh! wait parts of India is in the tropics...sic.xyymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12265976800220862500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24835906524378292662017-03-17T20:59:33.649-07:002017-03-17T20:59:33.649-07:00@capra
"The time resolution of mtDNA is 20-3...@capra<br /><br />"The time resolution of mtDNA is 20-30 times coarser than that of Y-DNA, so I don't think you could actually tell how fast the expansion is."<br /><br />Yes, but if the same thing occured with the mtDNA as with Y, the mtDNA would apoear to be 20-30 times more identical in populations. This is not observated. Look at Ireland. The men have R1b at a frequency over Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12578936557655738632017-03-17T15:26:47.179-07:002017-03-17T15:26:47.179-07:00Afrocentrists here? This blog keeps getting better...Afrocentrists here? This blog keeps getting better and better, I love this.André de Vasconceloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14661586310311442995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61259677865900028362017-03-17T13:40:15.327-07:002017-03-17T13:40:15.327-07:00Go have a read about the Mal'ta Buret and Vill...Go have a read about the Mal'ta Buret and Villabruna samples....and also about the CHG people....and about what Albinism actually is....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85723659954892703232017-03-17T13:17:20.835-07:002017-03-17T13:17:20.835-07:00*his data*his dataxyymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12265976800220862500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83223183450828337242017-03-17T13:15:40.303-07:002017-03-17T13:15:40.303-07:00Instead of these turnip brain keep talking in circ...Instead of these turnip brain keep talking in circles. Face the facts. O. Balanovsky 2017 is stating he/she not even sure that of the “direction” of migration. No one came from the Steppes! It is a lie started by Reich and perpetuated by those who wanted to ride and cash-in the Steppes coat fantasy. O. Balanovsky 2017 – is stating the even the direction is disputable for …yes…. R-GG400! He xyymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12265976800220862500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65033966648310259722017-03-17T13:06:08.488-07:002017-03-17T13:06:08.488-07:00Instead of burying heads in the sand and being in ...Instead of burying heads in the sand and being in La LA land. There is no mistaking what the evidence has shown us so far. Undeniably Western Europeans are depigmented Africans. Stop deluding yourselves. WHG like LA Brana and Loschbour carried ancestral alleles for skin pigmentation. In other words…. they were BLACK. La Brana AIM has high frequency in the Sahara populations. . It is a FACTxyymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12265976800220862500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7523730158735992072017-03-17T12:51:03.918-07:002017-03-17T12:51:03.918-07:00And do you know what Depigmented actually means......And do you know what Depigmented actually means....? Most Europeans do have pigment just not as much as Africans. If they didn't have any they wouldn't be able to tan. Albinism is a totally different thing altogether.....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83299825075243516722017-03-17T12:44:32.390-07:002017-03-17T12:44:32.390-07:00Are the depigmented Northeast Asians also from Afr...Are the depigmented Northeast Asians also from Africa less than 10 000 years ago ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1948419636953531452017-03-17T12:39:35.749-07:002017-03-17T12:39:35.749-07:00Depigmented Africans ? Less than 10 000 years ago ...Depigmented Africans ? Less than 10 000 years ago ? CHG, WHG and EHG have been in Europe and the Caucasus for a very long time. Much older than 10 000 years...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84949990330977460752017-03-17T12:11:31.278-07:002017-03-17T12:11:31.278-07:00Quote by poster
“So you agree with xyyman that mod...Quote by poster<br />“So you agree with xyyman that modern Europeans are not descendants of Central Asians <br />but are instead depigmented Africans who went into Europe less than 10,000 years ago”<br /><br /><br />Genetic differentiation between upland and lowland populations shapes the Y‑chromosomal landscape of West Asia - O. Balanovsky 2017<br />Quote”<br />Yamnaya subpopulations studied to xyymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12265976800220862500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35121071693123416012017-03-17T11:10:41.303-07:002017-03-17T11:10:41.303-07:00@Karl_K
The time resolution of mtDNA is 20-30 tim...@Karl_K<br /><br />The time resolution of mtDNA is 20-30 times coarser than that of Y-DNA, so I don't think you could actually tell how fast the expansion is. For instance M has something like 50 primary branches, which is probably equivalent to the branching levels of F-GHIJK-HIJK-IJK-K-K2-MPS-P, C-C1-C1b-C1b1-C1b1b, etc, over several millennia. capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74524907054916902852017-03-17T11:06:02.852-07:002017-03-17T11:06:02.852-07:00@Matt, Alberto
As far as I know eigenvector scalin...@Matt, Alberto<br />As far as I know eigenvector scaling implies that you simultaneously change the eigenvectors and eigenvalues in an appropriate way. That will conserve the value of the resulting PCA scores. <br />The weighting method of Sangarius/Eren is weighting the PCA SCORES before using them in nMonte. This is a peculiar weighting method, which is different from eigenvector scaling. I huijbregtshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15146303681173955347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81533809932620542017-03-17T10:54:24.926-07:002017-03-17T10:54:24.926-07:00@Karl: But my point was that the Neolithic everywh...@Karl: But my point was that the Neolithic everywhere generally shows a pattern of explosive growth in males and steady state in females. Not just Bronze Age Europe. That is "The Bronze Age was (not) different (from the Neolithic generally)". Or am I reading these plots incorrectly?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6870388116553643972017-03-17T10:47:56.580-07:002017-03-17T10:47:56.580-07:00@Matt
The difference in y vs mt means that there ...@Matt<br /><br />The difference in y vs mt means that there were never any major (successful) population movements of modern humans with both men and women that were 'explosive' in population growth. Most, like the out-of-Africa or Sahul situations, were slow steady growth in a new environment.<br /><br />The Bronze Age was different. Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48208567820248215702017-03-17T10:29:41.745-07:002017-03-17T10:29:41.745-07:00@KarlK, OK, though would be interested in your com...@KarlK, OK, though would be interested in your comment on Karmin 2015's Cumulative Bayesian skyline plots of Y chromosome and mtDNA diversity by world regions (Fig 2 - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4381518/figure/KARMINGR186684F2/).<br /><br />In neither case does population history of expansion of mtdna match y-dna population expansion (no shared expansion). Expansion of the Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29606061705926456472017-03-17T09:44:06.407-07:002017-03-17T09:44:06.407-07:00@Matt
Of course most of us know how a star-like p...@Matt<br /><br />Of course most of us know how a star-like phylogeny arises from a sudden burst of success for a lineage.<br /><br />The issue is only that these were seen in Bronze Age populations only in the Y haplogroup, and not in the mtDNA haplogroup.<br /><br />This means that the direct male lineages had explosive expansions, while the direct female lineages, at exactly the same time and Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28881801133017145922017-03-17T09:21:56.883-07:002017-03-17T09:21:56.883-07:00mooreisbetter said...
"There are at least 10...mooreisbetter said...<br /><br />"There are at least 10 different ways that Population B can have more descendants than Population A. Here are a few:"<br /><br />do they all result in the same ydna/adna/mtdna pattern?<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76712198209879397532017-03-17T08:46:03.975-07:002017-03-17T08:46:03.975-07:00@Matt
Thank you very much, very instructive and de...@Matt<br />Thank you very much, very instructive and deep reply.<br />In brief, we need know first if "the PCA has been eigenvector scaled or not".<br /><br />@ Alberto<br />ThksAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00336648635525568530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55501416482313900132017-03-17T08:15:55.225-07:002017-03-17T08:15:55.225-07:00Re: "star-like structures", when we talk...Re: "star-like structures", when we talk about "star-like structures" , in the words of S Yan 2014 (the paper about Chinese Neolithic "super grandfathers"), we're really just talking about "multiple lineages branching off from a single node", in opposition to a history of "bifurcations" which "indicat(es) strong expansion events". NoMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.com