tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2289180398298202520..comments2024-03-28T17:16:03.042-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Almost everything you ever wanted to know about the Xiaohe-Gumugou cemeteriesDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91120448103860325632019-07-04T22:38:41.957-07:002019-07-04T22:38:41.957-07:00It will be interesting if H15 and H6a1b made it in...It will be interesting if H15 and H6a1b made it into Tocharians...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70079541286994706272019-07-04T22:15:55.445-07:002019-07-04T22:15:55.445-07:00What was the dominant Motherlines among the Afanas...What was the dominant Motherlines among the Afanasevo Culture ? How do they compare to Andronova ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32215068423899302152019-07-03T04:34:58.745-07:002019-07-03T04:34:58.745-07:00According to Narasimhan et al, the andronovo came ...According to Narasimhan et al, the andronovo came to bmac via the Inner Asia Mountain Corridor around 1800BC. The eastern, northern and western parts of the Tarim basin are right next to IAMC. The oldest mummies 1800 BC were found at Qäwrighul which is in the north-eastern edge of the tarim basin. Clearly they must be R1a-Z93.<br /><br />Something even more intriguing is that from the western Santosh Rajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04123305937973885088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13869636170799987312019-07-03T03:43:47.605-07:002019-07-03T03:43:47.605-07:00https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB31035
An...https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB31035<br /><br />Ancient DNA sheds light on the genetic origins of early Iron Age Philistines.<br />Feldman et al.,Science Advances, 2019<br />Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History<br /><br />The ancient Mediterranean port-city of Ashkelon, identified as “Philistine” during the Iron Age, underwent a dramatic cultural change between the LateArzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83634328444214394352019-07-03T03:41:43.081-07:002019-07-03T03:41:43.081-07:00@ Davidski
These are not the samples we are looki...@ Davidski<br /><br />These are not the samples we are looking for, I'm afraid.<br /><br />ERR3327970 1GB + 1GB SRZ_F004<br />ERR3327971 1GB + 1GB SRZ_M010<br />ERR3327976 5GB + 5GB SRZ_M819<br />ERR3327977 4GB + 5GB SRZ_M820<br />ERR3327979 642MB + 769MB SRZ_X3<br /><br />No Y-DNA data. Practically no data at all.<br /><br />M819 - BAM 10.1GB, after slicing (chr1-22XYM) 151.1MB, chrX 8.1MB, Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47154790709236944502019-07-03T03:36:08.581-07:002019-07-03T03:36:08.581-07:00@All
Since we're on the topic of Indo-Europea...@All<br /><br />Since we're on the topic of Indo-Europeans from the Tarim Basin and surrounds, here's some blog trivia for you: my avatar is an ancient bust of a Yuezhi man.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51460943345334417172019-07-03T01:35:19.162-07:002019-07-03T01:35:19.162-07:00@David, that could be possible; I'm simply goi...@David, that could be possible; I'm simply going with what seem like the geographically and temporally closest populations we have sampled so far and assuming no special advantage in colonizing the region for populations from the steppe zone to the north (whether that's an advantage at surviving in that environment or an advantage in getting there in the first place). Both sets of Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-121573354177350282019-07-03T00:14:49.648-07:002019-07-03T00:14:49.648-07:00Re horses BTW, even modern Finnhorse (and only tha...Re horses BTW, even modern Finnhorse (and only that) is related to Przewalski i.e. Botai horse, as recently indicated by an Estonian Saaremaa Iron Age sample, too:<br /><br />https://gsejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12711-019-0480-8Queequeghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04033948224040118380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44578161514729473552019-07-02T21:51:45.526-07:002019-07-02T21:51:45.526-07:00@Davidski
I think Santosh was confused about the ...@Davidski<br /><br />I think Santosh was confused about the uncertainty as whether the samples are connected to Afanasevo or Andronovo, since there's such a big gap between the two. It seems like the authors shouldn't be confused about that.Bob Floyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01863468406651284016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75894443911610301712019-07-02T15:45:00.229-07:002019-07-02T15:45:00.229-07:00... and palomino horses:
ANCIENT DNA ANALYSIS OF ...... and palomino horses:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.dsjyj.com.cn/EN/abstract/abstract10861.shtml" rel="nofollow">ANCIENT DNA ANALYSIS OF ANCIENT HORSE REMAINS FROM SHIRENZIGOU SITE, XINJIANG, CHINA</a>Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60006079750474942242019-07-02T15:16:29.444-07:002019-07-02T15:16:29.444-07:00This is the archeological site. They had camels th...This is the archeological site. They had camels there...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.dsjyj.com.cn/EN/abstract/abstract10860.shtml" rel="nofollow">A ZOOARCHAEOLOGICAL RESEARCH ON BACTRIAN CAMEL BONES IN THE SHIRENZIGOU SITE, XINJIANG</a><br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38496468172941741982019-07-02T14:41:35.904-07:002019-07-02T14:41:35.904-07:00@Matt
Maybe, but Damgaard's samples weren'...@Matt<br /><br />Maybe, but Damgaard's samples weren't from Xinjiang, but from the western slopes of the Tianshan.<br /><br />If anything, the Chinese samples from Xinjiang are likely to be very similar to these Bronze Age samples from the Mongolian Altai, which is on the way into Xinjiang from the steppe.<br /><br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25016250<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59023580046435948842019-07-02T14:29:16.751-07:002019-07-02T14:29:16.751-07:00I would guess that these samples would be quite si...I would guess that these samples would be quite similar to the Tian Shan 2000 YBP set from Damgaard's paper (Wusun, Tian Shan Saka, Tian Shan Hun, etc). Probably 25-33% East Eurasian. They may be more East Eurasian though. Predominantly northern/steppe with some southern Central Asian aspects. It'll be interesting in terms of giving more detailed information around testing continuity in Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35507051974468812202019-07-02T13:44:45.699-07:002019-07-02T13:44:45.699-07:00@Santosh
These people were agropastoralists who l...@Santosh<br /><br />These people were agropastoralists who lived near the entry point into Xinjiang a few centuries before Tocharian A, B and apparently C were attested in the region. See here...<br /><br />https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=42318<br /><br />So there's a good chance that they were early Tocharian speakers, or at least took part in their formation. If they end up lookingDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50328628898620950972019-07-02T11:01:35.858-07:002019-07-02T11:01:35.858-07:00If they are R1a, it doesn't mean they are not ...If they are R1a, it doesn't mean they are not Tocharian. Turkic peoples have some R1b and the ancestors of the Uygurs could have brought it and not the Tocharians. It is merely a knee-jerk reaction to say people who spoke Centum languages were R1b uniformly; there is an R1a group, Z284, that is connected to Germanic Nordic people.Vinitharyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09149645790282994661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14984924255605546482019-07-02T09:50:04.892-07:002019-07-02T09:50:04.892-07:00First of all I am an amateur on this subject, but ...First of all I am an amateur on this subject, but very interested, and completely confused by the above.<br />1) Afanasievo was contemporary to repin according to Antony, or maybe yamnaya according some others. Andronovo came a 1000 years later from Sintashta. Surely radiocarbon dating can tell you who they are?<br />2) If they had R1a-Z93 surely they were Sintashta.<br />3) If they where Santosh Rajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04123305937973885088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88642383795500617702019-07-02T05:02:56.532-07:002019-07-02T05:02:56.532-07:00We might guess they’d be R1a-Z93; R1b, incl someth...We might guess they’d be R1a-Z93; R1b, incl something like PH155; and some Qs Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137547950290035805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54070202476498923372019-07-02T04:59:06.176-07:002019-07-02T04:59:06.176-07:00@ Davidski
Dunno, I just found them.
I'm cu...@ Davidski<br /><br />Dunno, I just found them. <br /><br />I'm currently downloading ERR3327971 hoping that it's not a female and the quality is sufficient to say anything about Y-DNA.Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13237224321983478392019-07-02T04:57:38.149-07:002019-07-02T04:57:38.149-07:00Yeah, I meant to type ~200 BCE.
Yeah, I meant to type ~200 BCE.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86255952359173290142019-07-02T04:55:18.049-07:002019-07-02T04:55:18.049-07:00I think some caution is required. 1200BC would be ...I think some caution is required. 1200BC would be nearly 2,000 years before Tocharian is attested, so couldn't really be connected to the Tocharians. A lot can happen in 2,000 years. There may very well have been Afanasievo in the region in 1200BC, but that doesn't mean that the Tocharians two thousand years later were descended from them. For example, there were both Anatolians and Wastrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668240908427382435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81109749086387317292019-07-02T04:46:35.729-07:002019-07-02T04:46:35.729-07:00Good work Good work Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137547950290035805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64505037464593524052019-07-02T04:45:45.776-07:002019-07-02T04:45:45.776-07:00@Arza
What are the Y-haplogroups of these Iron Ag...@Arza<br /><br />What are the Y-haplogroups of these Iron Age Xinjiang samples?<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44825979554074091472019-07-02T04:17:28.541-07:002019-07-02T04:17:28.541-07:00@Dragos
What do you mean?
I mean that there are ...@Dragos<br /><br /><i>What do you mean?</i><br /><br />I mean that there are a lot of people coming to this blog from that Youtube page. I don't really know why, but I assume it's because the video clip has a link to this blog in it somewhere.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89493355475704155682019-07-02T04:15:29.059-07:002019-07-02T04:15:29.059-07:00Thanks Arza.
I've updated my blog post with t...Thanks Arza.<br /><br />I've updated my blog post with the good news.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66510389402539479382019-07-02T04:14:53.350-07:002019-07-02T04:14:53.350-07:00“
If anyone's interested, I'm getting hund...“<br />If anyone's interested, I'm getting hundreds of hits from this clip at Youtube about the Tollense Valley battle.”<br /><br />What do you mean ?Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137547950290035805noreply@blogger.com