tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2489913633009624205..comments2024-03-18T18:30:48.719-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Ancient human genomes suggest (more than) three ancestral populations for present-day EuropeansDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger214125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73699176799498899502016-08-04T08:37:58.022-07:002016-08-04T08:37:58.022-07:00Hello Everybody,
My name is Mrs Sharon Sim. I live...Hello Everybody,<br />My name is Mrs Sharon Sim. I live in Singapore and i am a happy woman today? and i told my self that any lender that rescue my family from our poor situation, i will refer any person that is looking for loan to him, he gave me happiness to me and my family, i was in need of a loan of S$250,000.00 to start my life all over as i am a single mother with 3 kids I met this honestDr Purva Piushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05883980841903455890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85190471863790882462016-08-04T08:37:25.222-07:002016-08-04T08:37:25.222-07:00Hello Everybody,
My name is Mrs Sharon Sim. I live...Hello Everybody,<br />My name is Mrs Sharon Sim. I live in Singapore and i am a happy woman today? and i told my self that any lender that rescue my family from our poor situation, i will refer any person that is looking for loan to him, he gave me happiness to me and my family, i was in need of a loan of S$250,000.00 to start my life all over as i am a single mother with 3 kids I met this honestDr Purva Piushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05883980841903455890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59487548281153422512016-01-03T01:48:28.516-08:002016-01-03T01:48:28.516-08:00Hello Everybody, My name is.Mrs.Juliet Quin. I liv...Hello Everybody, My name is.Mrs.Juliet Quin. I live in Canada and i am a happy woman today? and i told my self that any lender that rescue my family from our poor situation, i will refer any person that is looking for loan to him, he gave me happiness to me and my family, i was in need of a loan of $ 54,000.00 to start my life all over as i am a single mother with 3 kids I met this honest and GODDr Purva Piushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05883980841903455890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22741853899743908082014-03-02T18:00:19.698-08:002014-03-02T18:00:19.698-08:00Yes, it seems that a lot of ANE was present in Sca...Yes, it seems that a lot of ANE was present in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe during the Mesolithic, so the hunter-gatherer populations in the eastern half of Europe were probably mixtures, in varying degrees, of WHG and ANE. Another wave of ANE then moved deep into Europe during the Copper Age, most likely from what is now southern Russia, and the populations that brought it probably had low WHGDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83600300469932532952014-03-02T04:13:10.076-08:002014-03-02T04:13:10.076-08:00Oh, thanks, you're right. I realize I fit very...Oh, thanks, you're right. I realize I fit very closely the French sample based on your Eurogenes K13 test, and posted by About Time here: http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/eef-whg-ane-test-for-europeans.html<br />But I don't know if those estimates are more reliable than the ones you proposed in the comments of this article?<br /><br />Also, it looks like there's a positive Lloydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09162269185505942860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56605964480066618212014-03-01T18:53:54.394-08:002014-03-01T18:53:54.394-08:00No, I think the ANE score is also too high for the...No, I think the ANE score is also too high for the Basques in the study. Again, it seems their WHG is being confused for ANE.<br /><br />You definitely have more ANE than them anyway, because you cluster with the main French reference set. So you're much less like the Neolithic inhabitants of France than Basques are.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33377413879349623892014-03-01T14:42:05.252-08:002014-03-01T14:42:05.252-08:00Thanks. But you still believe that the French Basq...Thanks. But you still believe that the French Basque sample is accurate, right?<br />And if I understand correctly how this works, my being relatively close to this sample (EEF 59,46724; WHG 28,3403; ANE 12,19247) should mean that my ancestors have likely been Basque-related people for at least 8,000 years?Lloydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09162269185505942860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77517209816824219362014-03-01T14:25:38.641-08:002014-03-01T14:25:38.641-08:00It looks like an error, probably because of the sm...It looks like an error, probably because of the small sample size.<br /><br />The Pais Vasco sample can be fit as EEF/WHG with no ANE, the same as the Basques (who are indeed French Basques). So their ANE admixture is much less than 16%. It looks like the algorithm is confusing WHG for ANE in this case.<br /><br />I explain that here...<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83896584229651875842014-03-01T12:04:28.021-08:002014-03-01T12:04:28.021-08:00Dear Davidski,
I'm wondering what could expla...Dear Davidski,<br /><br />I'm wondering what could explain the significant difference between the "Basque" and "Pais Vasco" results?<br /><br />EEF WHG ANE<br />0.593 0.293 0.114 -- Basque<br />0.713 0.125 0.163 -- Pais_Vasco<br /><br />Is "Basque" actually French Basque?Lloydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09162269185505942860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38261963633673134522014-02-23T16:19:29.743-08:002014-02-23T16:19:29.743-08:00@Fanty, my thought exactly in terms of old underst...@Fanty, my thought exactly in terms of old understanding of Mediterranean skeletal morphology. I also think this is the case wrt behavioral adaptations, especially social adaptations for for living in dense settlements. <br /><br />This would be very stressful for some archaics IMO. Just like many animals languish or even die when taken into captivity (too many stress signals, not enough free About Timehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09236048173229545609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38857731948125444122014-02-23T15:38:31.139-08:002014-02-23T15:38:31.139-08:00"Personally, I think Europeans got a lot of w..."Personally, I think Europeans got a lot of what seems like "Europeanness" from EEF."<br /><br />I dont think so.<br /><br />I think EEF is more like "Caucasianess" ("White Race") in general. Something that Europe, middle east and north Africa have in common.<br /><br />Much more likely to be responsable for "Europeaness" would be WHG. Because itsFantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44938030342473690922014-01-24T17:05:04.326-08:002014-01-24T17:05:04.326-08:00"India is a head scratcher no matter which th..."India is a head scratcher no matter which theory is on the table. Very high levels of R1a without any accompanying autosomal component from East Europe or f_3 stat showing ANE mixture."<br /><br />In South America they have people with Amerindian mtDNA but autosomally almost completely Euro. How might the same happen in reverse?<br /><br />Over enough generations wouldn't Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90035869757022106292014-01-24T16:30:02.347-08:002014-01-24T16:30:02.347-08:00Davidski,
When info comes out on La Brana 2, can...Davidski, <br /><br />When info comes out on La Brana 2, can that be put into the WHG instead of Loschbour? Depending on North African or early EEF admixture of course. Or perhaps using Motala samples as Northern Europeans are probably more of this type. If full genomes of Motala and La Brana 2 become available do you think that they can be used as better examples of WHG? <br /><br />Maybe Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31529252680772921952014-01-24T16:18:06.174-08:002014-01-24T16:18:06.174-08:00@Davidski, can you repost the link for the light h...@Davidski, can you repost the link for the light hair/eyes in Andronovo? The study I have in mind is actually pretty late, closer to Saka/Scythian Iron Age (horseback riding, originating from Assyrian military tech if I remember. They were the master innovators in that field in early 1st millennium BC, btw).<br /><br />Here is Pazyryk man (almost certainly a kind of Scythian). http://About Timehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09236048173229545609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59343587846369800192014-01-24T16:09:58.139-08:002014-01-24T16:09:58.139-08:00WHG originated in Europe and almost completely res...WHG originated in Europe and almost completely restricted to Europe today.Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14028021901022918142014-01-24T16:03:35.394-08:002014-01-24T16:03:35.394-08:00So how come the Andronovo remains show markers for...So how come the Andronovo remains show markers for light eyes and hair? The Pazyryk Scythians just look like an continuation of the Andronovo population. They both show links to Eastern Europe via nuclear, Y-DNA and mtDNA, not to the Near East.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1423089720911422352014-01-24T15:56:12.112-08:002014-01-24T15:56:12.112-08:00Grey,
Not all Y DNA I is the same.
There are ple...Grey,<br /><br />Not all Y DNA I is the same.<br /><br />There are plenty of I subclades in Europe many that have been separated since the Mesolithic or upper Palaeolithic. I1 probably wasn't in Scandinavia during the Mesolithic instead all the I was probably some type of I2a1 or just I2 which might amount to 1-3% of modern Scandinavian Y DNA. Most I in Europe today probably expanded after Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37888597430423702542014-01-24T15:54:57.522-08:002014-01-24T15:54:57.522-08:00@Davidski, lack of ANE in India is from f_3 stats ...@Davidski, lack of ANE in India is from f_3 stats for Gujarat posted by Nick Patterson on Dienekes blog comments (I quoted here too for Seinundzeit).<br /><br />But paper does not cover this.<br /><br />Btw, we know about West Asian influx to Steppe bc of diachronic study of Siberian mtDNA (Dienekes covered it sometime in 2013 or maybe 2012).About Timehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09236048173229545609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57895705242346059222014-01-24T15:48:54.411-08:002014-01-24T15:48:54.411-08:00Because mtDNA U5 and U4 have been found in nearly ...Because mtDNA U5 and U4 have been found in nearly every Mesolithic European site with mtDNA samples and two 31,155ybp pre U5's were found in the Czech Republic, because U2e has been found in Mesolithic Germany, Sweden, and Karelia. U5, U4, and U2e were all typical of WHG people why would they also be typical in ANE people?<br /><br /> The rest of the mtDNA of Indo Iranian samples from the Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58284537491477416842014-01-24T15:48:15.014-08:002014-01-24T15:48:15.014-08:00What was the model used by Patterson to test for A...What was the model used by Patterson to test for ANE in India again? Did he explore the issue in some detail? Maybe the ANE is indeed being lumped into the EEF and/or the ASI proxy? It's very difficult to imagine that there would be no ANE in South Asia considering the loads of R1a and R2 there. Did he test the Pakistani populations?Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30913765629572549142014-01-24T15:47:06.446-08:002014-01-24T15:47:06.446-08:00India is a head scratcher no matter which theory i...India is a head scratcher no matter which theory is on the table. Very high levels of R1a without any accompanying autosomal component from East Europe or f_3 stat showing ANE mixture.<br /><br />If the Caucasus like ANI in India goes back 12 kya and also brought R1a, it can't be IE without complete rethinking of how old IE really is. <br /><br />I know nobody wants to consider this, but my About Timehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09236048173229545609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76667747997557528072014-01-24T15:23:29.875-08:002014-01-24T15:23:29.875-08:00maybe even caste systems in place. Restrictive bre...maybe even caste systems in place. Restrictive breeding on locals could ensure their dominance, no matter how diluted their descendants would be mating with locals females. Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71515666493591370122014-01-24T15:12:43.899-08:002014-01-24T15:12:43.899-08:00"Since those bronze and iron age Indo Iranian..."Since those bronze and iron age Indo Iranians had typical farmer and hunter gatherer mtDNA and had majority light hair and eyes obviously that means they were mainly WHG and EEF not ANE."<br /><br />How do you know that this wasn't the typical ANE/EEF mtDNA on the steppe back then?Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32300231828487178062014-01-24T15:08:53.548-08:002014-01-24T15:08:53.548-08:00Gedrosia shows up in British all the way to Orkney...Gedrosia shows up in British all the way to Orkney, without any actual language on record that we know about. It's just strange not to see ANE in India at comparable levels,About Timehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09236048173229545609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27717414040819427782014-01-24T15:00:43.550-08:002014-01-24T15:00:43.550-08:00There's plenty of R1a-Z645 all the way from Eu...There's plenty of R1a-Z645 all the way from Europe to India, and this surely is the Indo-European marker. So the ANE must be there as well, but maybe it's muffled because it got heavily diluted along the way, as often happens with autosomal components? Maybe the paternal signal of the Indo-Europeans survived better because they were highly patriarchal and patrilineal?Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com