tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post280598956367513906..comments2024-03-29T02:41:56.012-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: ASHG 2015 abstractsDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33491695587447817152015-09-20T15:01:33.046-07:002015-09-20T15:01:33.046-07:00From the paper:
(ii) low Fst distances from early...From the paper:<br /><br />(ii) low Fst distances from early farmers of Germany (0.004 ± 0.0004) and Spain (0.014 ± 0.0009). <br /><br />"Model-free principal components and model-based admixture analyses confirm a strong genetic relationship between Anatolian and European farmers."<br /><br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3355373/<br /><br />This and other results batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40665029083532775142015-09-18T01:33:22.992-07:002015-09-18T01:33:22.992-07:00In regard to neolithic Anatolia and G2a, anyone ha...In regard to neolithic Anatolia and G2a, anyone have an idea why G-M406 peaks among Palestinians in the Levant. I personally think that all these G-M406 men are somehow linked to the historical Philistine coast.Katharóshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16649693310029639154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7644404355241544142015-09-16T03:34:54.948-07:002015-09-16T03:34:54.948-07:00@Mhagneto
Egyptsearch2.0 is a Black supremacist t...@Mhagneto<br /><br />Egyptsearch2.0 is a Black supremacist trying to prove all ancient civilizations as "Black". They remind me of Nordicists who tried to prove that all civilizations down to Egypt had at least a "Nordic elite".<br /><br /><br />I see Basal Eurasian as a third Eurasian group which seperated from the forefather of proto WHG/ANE earlier, probably around the Kurtihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00818803833239507313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86645939176484460472015-09-15T22:54:04.515-07:002015-09-15T22:54:04.515-07:00Am I right to assume that this presentation will b...Am I right to assume that this presentation will be based on samples listed at Pinhasi's site? https://sites.google.com/site/pinhasierc/home/samples<br /><br />The very first item is: Aktopraklik, Illipinar, Mentese, Barcin, Yesilova / Turkey / EN / 75<br /><br />And according to the map, they are almost all from around the Marmara sea: http://www2.hull.ac.uk/student/images/rozenblatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06133713105187428743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46955750563142808712015-09-15T21:19:40.762-07:002015-09-15T21:19:40.762-07:00http://egyptsearchdetoxed.blogspot.com/2015/01/let...http://egyptsearchdetoxed.blogspot.com/2015/01/lets-face-it-basal-eurasian-is-heavily.html<br /><br />Egyptsearch2.0 claims that basal eurasian is "heavily intertwined with Africa."mhagnetohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02707916391230141687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46752474845904533752015-09-14T21:17:58.767-07:002015-09-14T21:17:58.767-07:00The Hotu and Belt Caves aDNA is going to be crucia...The Hotu and Belt Caves aDNA is going to be crucial,if they yield Y-DNA then it will be massive.Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68390715362292810932015-09-14T20:31:18.079-07:002015-09-14T20:31:18.079-07:00The mtDNA files for the Pinhasi samples are availa...The mtDNA files for the Pinhasi samples are available here.<br /><br />http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html<br /><br />Y-DNA and mtDNA aren't used in the genome-wide analyses. They're different genetic systems.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57483521514184538602015-09-14T20:04:12.736-07:002015-09-14T20:04:12.736-07:00@Davidski,
Are you ale to get mtDNA calls for any...@Davidski,<br /><br />Are you ale to get mtDNA calls for any of the Pinhasi samples? Also, do the genomes you use for ADMIXTURE have mtDNA data?Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1978566571899720122015-09-14T19:32:29.467-07:002015-09-14T19:32:29.467-07:00The last Pinhasi paper had this early Neolithic sa...The last Pinhasi paper had this early Neolithic sample from Jordan. Felix uploaded it here...<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Ph8NJKscV6fmlVeDE2RjRJSmF1bHlwTlZDTEM5dl9FNU44Z1AtOXUxeUZfOGhqaHk1b3M&usp=sharing&tid=0B4Ph8NJKscV6fnZJQ2ZwUlp1NkdlbWx2Z2pnMVp6d3lNY3EzYXZ0UTJkS1dWQTcxa2tuSFE#list<br /><br />That's basically all we need to sort this out. The problem is Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2131686396254522672015-09-14T18:17:14.691-07:002015-09-14T18:17:14.691-07:00Thanks Davidski. Definitely lots of great stuff to...Thanks Davidski. Definitely lots of great stuff to look forward to.<br /><br />I guess we all have to wait and see if they get something viable from the two samples in Israel to move the conversation forward. Hopefully not wait <i>too</i> long. :)<br /><br />PFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13780789381709373839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15618910758108253542015-09-14T17:25:25.309-07:002015-09-14T17:25:25.309-07:00The north african palaeolithic should be interesti...The north african palaeolithic should be interesting Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259212254098264600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23166195908968952132015-09-14T17:10:40.063-07:002015-09-14T17:10:40.063-07:00PF,
Have you seen this sample list? This is what ...PF,<br /><br />Have you seen this sample list? This is what Pinhasi has, and his team is now working with the Reich Lab.<br /><br />https://sites.google.com/site/pinhasierc/home/samples<br /><br />Some of the labels are wrong, but you get the idea.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85489962528678648572015-09-14T17:01:07.705-07:002015-09-14T17:01:07.705-07:00Genome-wide data from earlier and more southerly f...Genome-wide data from earlier and more southerly farmers is what we need next.<br /><br />But the X marker on the above plot must be very close to where they'd cluster.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40828570238875970442015-09-14T16:37:08.074-07:002015-09-14T16:37:08.074-07:00Eurogenes MDS plot of Barcin NW Anatolian Early Ne...<a href="http://open-genomes.org/images/Eurogenes%20NW%20Anatolian%20Neolithic%20Barcin%20BAR100%20MDS%20showing%20admixture%20lines.png" rel="nofollow">Eurogenes MDS plot of Barcin NW Anatolian Early Neolthic Farmer showing proposed location of G2a-P15 PPNA Levantine First Farmers with G2a-P15 subclade tMRCAs</a><br /><br /><a href="http://open-genomes.org/images/P5A%20with%20migrations.png" relOpen Genomeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207443325849433636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91479354489479534382015-09-14T16:14:24.500-07:002015-09-14T16:14:24.500-07:00"I think it's a combination of drift and ..."I think it's a combination of drift and mixing over many thousands of years. It's more likely that a third group left Africa after 40kya, but before 23kya and looks closer to Africans or Basal to Eurasians, in my opinion. This group probably then went back to Africa, while also expanding to Greece and Iran, etc."<br /><br />"Nah, I think we'll see that Natufians are PFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13780789381709373839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73886139031719736562015-09-14T14:59:58.790-07:002015-09-14T14:59:58.790-07:00Chad
Maybe ive misinterpreted but it really ain&...Chad <br /><br />Maybe ive misinterpreted but it really ain't nonsensical. Basal eurasian must have developed in the Natufian proto-farmers . WHG- including those found in central & western Anatolia- had neen long separated until the early Holocene. (About 15000 years and 1000km).<br /><br />The question is how much 'basal UHG' is found in the Natufians (ie that due pre-drift Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259212254098264600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3027428011465560372015-09-14T14:50:32.408-07:002015-09-14T14:50:32.408-07:00Afro-Asiatics will be responsible for the Bedouin ...Afro-Asiatics will be responsible for the Bedouin like shift.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4133032228480500762015-09-14T14:48:05.405-07:002015-09-14T14:48:05.405-07:00Nah, I think we'll see that Natufians are very...Nah, I think we'll see that Natufians are very close to the Anatolians. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74399618902183426712015-09-14T14:43:13.589-07:002015-09-14T14:43:13.589-07:00The poor LBK and Hungarian samples get tossed out ...The poor LBK and Hungarian samples get tossed out half way to the Caucasus, which is pretty bogus.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11423075796394261602015-09-14T14:40:07.029-07:002015-09-14T14:40:07.029-07:00I don't like using Starcevo in analysis. It on...I don't like using Starcevo in analysis. It only has 1/3 of the markers of some LBK and Spanish samples. KO2 has more damage and comes out part African. Samples with fewer markers become outliers, in a bad way. The LBK samples with less than 200k marker plot all over, so I hope they only included those over 250-285k SNPs in their analysis. Spain and LBK are pretty identical if you exclude theAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61616694739556579322015-09-14T14:30:00.778-07:002015-09-14T14:30:00.778-07:00Based on the D stats based on ancient HGs alone in...Based on the D stats based on ancient HGs alone in the previous Pre and Post Kurgan Europe http://eurogenes.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/pre-and-post-kurgan-europe.html and the PCA dimensional positions, I'd estimate:<br /><br />If Spain_MN has around 17% more WHG than Starcevo_EN then LBK_EN should have around 4% more WHG than Starcevo_EN (and Spain_EN around 12% more and Sweden MN around 22% moreMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22163084153297481442015-09-14T14:23:10.152-07:002015-09-14T14:23:10.152-07:00Stuttgart can easily be modeled as ~25% Loschbour....Stuttgart can easily be modeled as ~25% Loschbour. So it'll be interesting to see how they explain this in the paper if they argue that Stuttgart and most other LBK samples only have a few per cent of Loschbour-related Hunter-Gatherer ancestry from Europe.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42237474900050851472015-09-14T14:12:19.580-07:002015-09-14T14:12:19.580-07:00I think it's a combination of drift and mixing...I think it's a combination of drift and mixing over many thousands of years. It's more likely that a third group left Africa after 40kya, but before 23kya and looks closer to Africans or Basal to Eurasians, in my opinion. This group probably then went back to Africa, while also expanding to Greece and Iran, etc. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52123228456790846502015-09-14T13:20:24.271-07:002015-09-14T13:20:24.271-07:00@Chad
"This population probably existed for ...@Chad<br /><br />"This population probably existed for thousands of years. This talk of an isolated Basal Eurasian or HG pop in Anatolia is rather nonsensical. Keep it simple and logical."<br /><br />I'm pretty sure that we are talking now about the thousands of years BEFORE these people. So... you think they were ALWAYS together and not isolated populations? What?Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9289962281397014862015-09-14T13:12:45.412-07:002015-09-14T13:12:45.412-07:00There is only about 3-5% more HG ancestry in LBK v...There is only about 3-5% more HG ancestry in LBK versus the Anatolians. People need to stop complicating this. This population probably existed for thousands of years. This talk of an isolated Basal Eurasian or HG pop in Anatolia is rather nonsensical. Keep it simple and logical.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.com