tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2912202553328808154..comments2024-03-28T05:11:32.082-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Mobile and then someDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76445151619648851432016-12-27T01:25:17.578-08:002016-12-27T01:25:17.578-08:00^^
Lol, some corrections, I rushed through.
Paki...^^<br /><br />Lol, some corrections, I rushed through.<br /><br />Pakistani Pashtun, tribal areas (FATA)<br /><br />22% Iran_Neolithic<br /><br />Afghan Pashtun, Ghazni (Ghilzai)<br /><br />24.65% Iran_Neolithic<br /><br />Tajik_Rushan<br /><br />4.6% Iran_Neolithic<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34739929329470324602016-12-27T00:45:43.665-08:002016-12-27T00:45:43.665-08:00General Observations:
Using the ASI simulation, m...General Observations:<br /><br />Using the ASI simulation, most South Central Asians now show a combination of both Sintashta and Samara_Eneolithic scores, even ones which previously seemed allergic to Sintashta, like the Kalash (I'm an exception. Probably boils down to the different tribes that make up my ancestry, and my Uzbek admixture could make things confusing/complicated).<br /><br />ISeinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78578387715551544462016-12-27T00:24:21.773-08:002016-12-27T00:24:21.773-08:00Finally, populations of Balochistan/southeastern I...Finally, populations of Balochistan/southeastern Iran:<br /><br />Brahui<br /><br />43.5% Iran_Neolithic<br />27.3% Iran_Chalcolithic<br />12% Sintashta + 7.7% Samara_Eneolithic<br />9.5% ASI<br /><br />Distance=0.3003<br /><br />Baloch<br /><br />36.95% Iran_Neolithic<br />33.95% Iran_Chalcolithic<br />9.95% Sintashta + 9.5% Samara_Eneolithic<br />7.95% ASI<br />1.7% Mongola<br /><br />Distance=Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31160237940904085932016-12-27T00:21:23.000-08:002016-12-27T00:21:23.000-08:00South Central Asian populations:
Burusho
31.8% I...South Central Asian populations:<br /><br />Burusho<br /><br />31.8% Iran_Neolithic<br />25.65% Samara_Eneolithic (0% Sintashta)<br />17.55% ASI<br />15.4% Iran_Chalcolithic<br />9.6% Mongola<br /><br />Distance=0.3159<br /><br />Pakistani Pashtun, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (a true Yusufzai)<br /><br />43% Iran_Neolithic<br />15.65% Samara_Eneolithic + 12.75% Sintashta<br />16.95% ASI<br />11.65% Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56385555488894489272016-12-27T00:16:22.277-08:002016-12-27T00:16:22.277-08:00Harry,
Here are models for high caste Northern In...Harry,<br /><br />Here are models for high caste Northern Indians and Sindhis. Next, I'll show models for South Central Asians and Balochistanis:<br /><br />UP Brahmins<br /><br />41.9% Iran_Neolithic<br />33% ASI<br />24.95% Samara_Eneolithic + 0.15% Sintashta<br /><br />Distance=0.7517<br /><br />GujaratiA<br /><br />46.6% Iran_Neolithic<br />22.15% Samara_Eneolithic + 6.1% Sintashta<br />Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21512412640068699322016-12-26T20:27:37.698-08:002016-12-26T20:27:37.698-08:00Harry,
Truthfully, I'm deeply sorry.
When it...Harry,<br /><br />Truthfully, I'm deeply sorry.<br /><br />When it comes to posting those results, I've taken far too much time, much longer than I promised.<br /><br />So, here are some experimental attempts. <br /><br />For comparison, I'll also post models which use only the Onge (but besides that, all of the other reference populations are identical to what I used in the Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56932696691348259082016-12-19T03:23:53.967-08:002016-12-19T03:23:53.967-08:00Sorry I was thinking about the early diversion dat...Sorry I was thinking about the early diversion date and branching of Y. Pestis.But this date correlates with the 5.9 Kiloyear Event....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81599825843394983472016-12-18T22:15:02.213-08:002016-12-18T22:15:02.213-08:00Or maybe the Plague was due to the 5.9 Kiloyear ev...Or maybe the Plague was due to the 5.9 Kiloyear event ? I read somewhere that the oldest plague victim died 3783 bC. ? Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18249945304130061532016-12-18T22:09:24.993-08:002016-12-18T22:09:24.993-08:00I wonder if the Okunev Culture pushed the Afanasev...I wonder if the Okunev Culture pushed the Afanasevo back into Europe ? Could the Botai Culture be relatives of the Okunevo Culture ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12088267306400036222016-12-18T11:59:51.741-08:002016-12-18T11:59:51.741-08:00@Janko.
thanks.
But there are things (a lot) that...@Janko.<br />thanks. <br />But there are things (a lot) that have a strange “ring” to it… here are a few:<br />3.35 – if they brought Y. pestis , wouldn’t they be the least successful guys in the world as per all following arguments? – Women they “stole” would die, their children would die… unless they brought their women with them that were also immune to bear children that were also immune. Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40636299817725867682016-12-18T07:02:20.509-08:002016-12-18T07:02:20.509-08:00Kristian Kristian send at Vilnius in September
htt...Kristian Kristian send at Vilnius in September<br />https://youtu.be/wKn05BbEMcsJanko Raven Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12538559931202702860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85400274654524238382016-12-17T20:55:26.331-08:002016-12-17T20:55:26.331-08:00"I just realized that there's a huge mist..."I just realized that there's a huge mistake in this paper. They confused Afanasievo with Andronovo"<br /><br />That's shame - i was enjoying my<br /><br />"if pestis is native to the steppe and horses are native to the steppe maybe horses have plague resistance"<br /><br />theory.Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4470100999148640772016-12-17T20:27:55.498-08:002016-12-17T20:27:55.498-08:00@ Rob
Precisely.
All I've been saying is th...@ Rob<br /><br />Precisely. <br /><br />All I've been saying is that people like Uzbeks have ANE ancestry from deep inside Asia (via their actual Turkic ancestry) and Steppe EMBA/MLBA ancestry via their local West Eurasian ancestry, with a skew towards the latter in the case of Uzbeks. <br /><br />In addition, they don't display any excess of Iran_Neolithic/Iran_Chalcolithic admixture, Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2990573283970798112016-12-17T20:08:43.721-08:002016-12-17T20:08:43.721-08:00@ Sein
Yes, that Natufian figure seems off., it w...@ Sein<br /><br />Yes, that Natufian figure seems off., it was generated using PCA data. It would be good to confirm using a DStat data, when Dave can generate a DStat column for Uzbeks later. But back to our original issues, yes the 'steppe' in Turkic has two probable sources - an eastern/ Mongolian one and a western. For the latter, my PCA-based run preferred something Caucasus -like (Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81551555841548448522016-12-17T19:30:50.185-08:002016-12-17T19:30:50.185-08:00Sam,
This is typical of direct PCA-based analyses...Sam,<br /><br />This is typical of direct PCA-based analyses, they always give Europeans much more WHG ancestry than what the formal methods show. Who knows which is more correct.<br /><br />Although, much of that WHG disappears with Iberia_Chalcolithic in the mix, although Srubnaya_outlier stays at 30%.<br /><br />Also, that 30% isn't in the context of them being tested with Srubnaya or Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87267806432020303482016-12-17T19:23:25.514-08:002016-12-17T19:23:25.514-08:00@Sein,
How could Lithuanians be 42% WHG if they h...@Sein,<br /><br />How could Lithuanians be 42% WHG if they have less than 10% U5b and >5% I2? WHG is being confused as Steppe. No way Lithuanians are only 30% Corded Ware/Srubnaya. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21238398915832391682016-12-17T19:20:56.402-08:002016-12-17T19:20:56.402-08:00Rozenfag,
That's an important angle which I t...Rozenfag,<br /><br />That's an important angle which I totally forgot to mention, all of these populations have noticeable R1a (with some showing extremely substantial percentages), not to mention the presence of some R1b.Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59529245167781590332016-12-17T19:17:24.756-08:002016-12-17T19:17:24.756-08:00Regarding Bronze Age Steppe admixture in CA Turkic...Regarding Bronze Age Steppe admixture in CA Turkics: however small it is, it should exist, because it is the best way to explain prevalence of R1a among some Central Asian groups(Altayans, Kyrgyz, etc.), related to East European and South Asian R1a's.<br /><br />But without aDNA samples from Central Asia itself, all of this is speculation. Waiting for them.rozenblatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06133713105187428743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17015788330355652792016-12-17T19:08:33.967-08:002016-12-17T19:08:33.967-08:00@Rob
"Yes, i know who Uzbeks & Krygyz ar...@Rob<br /><br />"Yes, i know who Uzbeks & Krygyz are bud."<br /><br />That's wonderful.<br /><br />"Id beg to differ, if one understands the historical - cultural context of samples we are dealing with. I do, so you can allay your theoretical concerns. "<br /><br />Unfortunately, I think you don't quite understand my concerns. <br /><br />It boils down to the basicSeinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15505278829744180922016-12-17T19:00:54.154-08:002016-12-17T19:00:54.154-08:00Comment: The people of Pamir(Ishkashim, Khorog, et...Comment: The people of Pamir(Ishkashim, Khorog, etc) are very different from other Tajiks. Technically they are not even Tajiks - they speak languages, which are closer to Pashto, rather than to Tajik.rozenblatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06133713105187428743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90413730916260224422016-12-17T18:55:44.601-08:002016-12-17T18:55:44.601-08:00Here is my standard setup, but with that Karasuk o...Here is my standard setup, but with that Karasuk outlier added:<br /><br />Uzbek<br /><br />23.25% Mongola<br />23.05% Karasuk_outlier:RISE497<br />14.7% Srubnaya_outlier<br />14.05% Barcin_Neolithic<br />9.9% Iran_Chalcolithic<br />8.85% Iran_Neolithic<br />2.65% Sintashta<br />2.55% MA1<br />1% ASI<br /><br />Distance=0.0133<br /><br />The fit is extremely good, so I think this may involve someSeinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77818961942470900652016-12-17T18:53:45.337-08:002016-12-17T18:53:45.337-08:00@ Seindundzeit
Yes, i know who Uzbeks & Krygy...@ Seindundzeit<br /><br />Yes, i know who Uzbeks & Krygyz are bud.<br /><br />"In addition, the whole use of the term "direct" is exceedingly vague/undefined in the spatio-temporal context that is being examined. This sort of talk is very philosophically underdetermined."<br /><br />Id beg to differ, if one understands the historical - cultural context of samples we are Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84009128231641751542016-12-17T18:35:33.911-08:002016-12-17T18:35:33.911-08:00@ Rob
Regardless, the use of the term "direc...@ Rob<br /><br />Regardless, the use of the term "direct" is of great interest.<br /><br />Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, etc, are Turkic peoples, so no one would expect them to have "direct" ancestry from the general stream of peoples ranging from Samara_Eneolithic/Srubnaya_outlier all the way to Sintashta/Andronvo. <br /><br />In addition, the whole use of the term "direct" is Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38878724211359226842016-12-17T18:33:05.764-08:002016-12-17T18:33:05.764-08:00@ Sein
As do I. I group them by Eurasia-wide, wit...@ Sein<br /><br />As do I. I group them by Eurasia-wide, with varying chronologic subsets, and the sets can be used for Europe & south Asia. So, based on those results, there seems to be little direct steppe input in those groups. Lithuanians, look wholly different to Uzbeks; as do Tajiks, for example. <br /><br /> Tajik_Ishkashim<br />"Armenia_EBA:I1633" 36.6<br />"Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65799196551925178162016-12-17T18:07:20.152-08:002016-12-17T18:07:20.152-08:00Rob,
It's a good model, but I always try to h...Rob,<br /><br />It's a good model, but I always try to have a setup which can accommodate any population I throw at it. <br /><br />Basically, I tend to avoid the creation of region-specific reference population setups, because I like to see how different populations behave when they are all tested under the same conditions.<br /><br />This is a good way to gauge broad affinities, and it letsSeinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.com