tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2967864431713823196..comments2024-03-19T01:54:52.313-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Awesome substructure within Czech Corded WareDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger118125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65277753314119972352019-05-03T14:31:06.329-07:002019-05-03T14:31:06.329-07:00
I got my already programmed and blanked ATM card...<br /><br />I got my already programmed and blanked ATM card to withdraw the maximum of $1,000 daily for a maximum of 20 days. I am so happy about this because i got mine last week and I have used it to get $20,000. Mike Fisher Hackers is giving out the card just to help the poor and needy though it is illegal but it is something nice and he is not like other scam pretending to have the blank Dolores Delgadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00250280861965516182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8709463069558271362018-03-07T12:14:18.048-08:002018-03-07T12:14:18.048-08:00Alberto: What I was getting was a preference for U...Alberto: <i>What I was getting was a preference for Ukraine_Eneolithic, which contains AN ancestry (mostly via Tripolye, but also probably from the Caucasus) and that part already was acquired in Ukraine before moving further west.</i><br /><br />Hmm... We may need to establish how much continuity there was over time with the Ukraine_Eneolithic. The two Yamnaya_Ukraine at Ozera suggests not much Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61242544212168806502018-03-07T01:53:16.683-08:002018-03-07T01:53:16.683-08:00@Matt
Yes, the thing about the extra WHG was kind...@Matt<br /><br />Yes, the thing about the extra WHG was kind of a side comment. The main point I was trying to make is that trying to figure out the MN admixture in Bell Beakers was probably not a simple Yamnaya + "the best MN fit" (or rather "which MN population is favoured by Bell Beakers in D-stats). What I was getting was a preference for Ukraine_Eneolithic, which contains AN Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13080848688806378362018-03-07T01:44:21.960-08:002018-03-07T01:44:21.960-08:00@Arza, had a chance to look at those stats, compar...@Arza, had a chance to look at those stats, comparing only Sintashta and CWC_Germany (high SNPs) to the Beakers: https://imgur.com/a/RIbK5<br /><br />The affinity to GAC_Ukraine farmers looks relatively high for Sintashta and CWC_Germany compared to the Beaker sample; Sintashta and CWC_Germany are high on Scotland:GAC_All, indicating relatively close to GAC_All and low on GAC_Ukraine:GAC_Poland,Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87283127079549899302018-03-06T17:26:32.884-08:002018-03-06T17:26:32.884-08:00Re: Beakers
CWC_Baltic_early added to David's...Re: Beakers<br /><br />CWC_Baltic_early added to David's model obliterates Yamnaya. Outlier from Hungary is half-half. Surprisingly CWC_Germany takes much more Yamnaya than Beakers.<br /><br />That's the reason why they are so vague in the paper about the source of steppe ancestry in Beakers, or even they suggest CWC ("400 years earlier").<br /><br />A good exercise is to model Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70354382902859081862018-03-06T15:59:16.229-08:002018-03-06T15:59:16.229-08:00@Alberto, but yeah, I think I may have drifted a l...@Alberto, but yeah, I think I may have drifted a little from the topic, for the two samples Ukraine_Eneolithic samples that are almost on cline for Europe LNBA->steppe MLBA (I4110 and I6561), it could be worth running the same stats I suggested above for CWC_Germany and Sintashta for them, since these two have fairly overlapping variation to CWC. Esp. I6561.<br /><br />@Arza, cheers.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22462034380373710302018-03-06T15:55:47.170-08:002018-03-06T15:55:47.170-08:00Mbuti CWC_GER Scotland_N GAC_______ -0,0005 -0,295...Mbuti CWC_GER Scotland_N GAC_______ <i>-0,0005</i> -0,295 <i>1008875</i><br />Mbuti CWC_GER Scotland_N GAC_Poland <i>0,0034</i> 1,746 <i>743563</i><br />Mbuti CWC_GER Scotland_N GAC_Ukraine <i>-0,0018</i> -0,972 <i>999282</i><br />Mbuti CWC_GER Germany_MN GAC_Poland <i>0,009</i> 2,913 <i>695134</i><br />Mbuti CWC_GER Germany_MN GAC_Ukraine <i>0,0037</i> 1,24 <i>941660</i><br />Mbuti CWC_GER Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55167291601130461062018-03-06T15:44:49.230-08:002018-03-06T15:44:49.230-08:00Hmmm... You've got a fit that involves Ukraine...Hmmm... You've got a fit that involves Ukraine_Eneolithic:I4110 at substantial percentages (21%), out of the three outlying he's the least off and closest to Europeans (still pretty off the cline but not too far from the Corded_Ware_Germany outlier). It's HG enriched, but by less than Baltic_BA are; a sample with 21% of this is going to be very modestly off the cline, nothing too Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27318740004704591242018-03-06T15:03:42.402-08:002018-03-06T15:03:42.402-08:00@Matt
I didn't check the Globular Amphora Ukr...@Matt<br /><br />I didn't check the Globular Amphora Ukraine samples alone. I must have missed the latest updated sheet with different labels.<br /><br />But I was testing mostly Bell Beakers as mix of all MN-ChL European populations and Yamnaya/Ukraine_Eneolithic. Then I went on with more populations using the same setup. I guess you missed the post:<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/open?Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24121923047919927982018-03-06T13:36:22.888-08:002018-03-06T13:36:22.888-08:00@Alberto, thanks for the comment, to be honest tho...@Alberto, thanks for the comment, to be honest though, re:G25 I'm not sure whether Bronze Age Europeans even really do have excess WHG admixture there than what can be explained by the various MNChl populations. I've not looked at nMonute models closely enough, however Beakers seem OK to fit MNChl+Yamnaya lines when I look at PCA? I'm not sure Ukraine_Eneolithic is important at all. Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91269823866032220912018-03-06T09:56:45.326-08:002018-03-06T09:56:45.326-08:00@Matt
I didn't have time to follow this with ...@Matt<br /><br />I didn't have time to follow this with any good level of detail, but one thing I noticed when running models to explore this same thing with Global 25 is that a good part of the EEF admixture in BA Europe already happened in Ukraine. In other words, the Yamnaya in Europe does not seem to be pure Yamnaya, but rather a mix of Yamnaya a Ukraine_Eneolithic, which mostly explains Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8593855800013777002018-03-06T00:57:47.915-08:002018-03-06T00:57:47.915-08:00Also re: Corded Ware and D-stats, we could try:
Y...Also re: Corded Ware and D-stats, we could try:<br /><br />Yamnaya_Samara Corded_Ware_Germany GAC_Poland GAC_Ukraine<br />Yamnaya_Samara Corded_Ware_Germany Germany_MN GAC_Poland<br />Yamnaya_Samara Corded_Ware_Germany Germany_MN GAC_Ukraine<br />Yamnaya_Samara Corded_Ware_Germany Scotland_N GAC_Poland<br />Yamnaya_Samara Corded_Ware_Germany Scotland_N GAC_Ukraine<br />Yamnaya_Samara Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33678504533947430612018-03-06T00:26:16.830-08:002018-03-06T00:26:16.830-08:00Azra, thanks. I think that's a good model to p...Azra, thanks. I think that's a good model to put on those stats; surprised that the Roman->IA change looks relatively sharp in these stats. I'd feel a little more comfortable if they were all over 800,000 SNPs but it looks pretty good.<br /><br />Some plots of those: https://imgur.com/a/c4ZkG<br /><br />Since the GAC_Ukraine seems to be yielding such strong stats vs other EEF, and Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53832952268905527152018-03-05T17:56:53.885-08:002018-03-05T17:56:53.885-08:00@ Matt
Beaker_The_Netherlands - proxy for pre-Bri...@ Matt<br /><br />Beaker_The_Netherlands - proxy for pre-Britain - at least some GAC ancestry<br />Beaker_Britain - drop in GAC affinity due to mixing with local farmers<br />England_CA_EBA - stagnation<br />England_MBA - gaining traction<br />England_IA - migration of people more related to Iberia_ChL - Italo-Celts?<br />Roman - mixed influx<br />Anglo-Saxon - Central Europe again<br /><br />Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8870251997581014022018-03-05T17:39:29.562-08:002018-03-05T17:39:29.562-08:00@ Matt
Mbuti Beaker_The_Netherlands Scotland_N GA...@ Matt<br /><br />Mbuti Beaker_The_Netherlands Scotland_N GAC_______ -0.0053 -3.69 952904<br />Mbuti Beaker_The_Netherlands Scotland_N GAC_Poland 0.0041 2.235 734918<br />Mbuti Beaker_Britain Scotland_N GAC_______ -0.0061 -4.693 1022330<br />Mbuti Beaker_Britain Scotland_N GAC_Poland 0.0023 1.439 748336<br />Mbuti England_CA_EBA Scotland_N GAC_______ -0.0065 -4.926 1008688<br />Mbuti Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38703835179783145592018-03-05T15:47:17.430-08:002018-03-05T15:47:17.430-08:00Cheers, GAP non-sig closer to Scotland_N/France_ML...Cheers, GAP non-sig closer to Scotland_N/France_MLN than GAU and non-sig closer GAU than Iberia_Chl. Only Germany is almost significant.<br /><br />I'd guess even Mbuti England_MBA Scotland_N Globular_Amphora_Poland (the lowest stat for Mbuti England_MBA Scotland_N Globular_Amphora) should still be positive (albeit<1?) based on those so far. <br /><br />I think you've sorted that out Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84074404019756977982018-03-05T15:44:04.715-08:002018-03-05T15:44:04.715-08:00Europe_EN_Iberia WHG Globular_Amphora_Polan...Europe_EN_Iberia WHG Globular_Amphora_Poland Mbuti 0.0012 0.392 729797 <br />Europe_EN_Iberia WHG Globular_Amphora_Ukraine Mbuti 0.0039 1.326 952855<br /><br />Europe_EN_Iberia - I0409, I0410, I0412, I0413<br /><br />Tisza is also not present in the dataset.Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4081881613824393162018-03-05T15:25:54.953-08:002018-03-05T15:25:54.953-08:00Mbuti Globular_Amphora_Poland Scotland_N Globular_...Mbuti Globular_Amphora_Poland Scotland_N Globular_Amphora_Ukraine -0.0019 -0.942 738342 <br />Mbuti Globular_Amphora_Poland France_MLN Globular_Amphora_Ukraine -0.0017 -0.635 717532 <br />Mbuti Globular_Amphora_Poland Europe_MNChL_Germany_MN Globular_Amphora_Ukraine 0.0095 2.950 689221 <br />Mbuti Globular_Amphora_Poland Europe_MNChL_Iberia_Chl Globular_Amphora_UkraineArzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7644079338422494552018-03-05T15:10:04.961-08:002018-03-05T15:10:04.961-08:00Sorry, Arza, if poss:
Iberia_EN,WHG,Globular_Amph...Sorry, Arza, if poss:<br /><br />Iberia_EN,WHG,Globular_Amphora_Poland,Mbuti<br />Tiszapolgar_ECA,WHG,Globular_Amphora_Poland,Mbuti<br />Iberia_EN,WHG,Globular_Amphora_Ukraine,Mbuti<br />Tiszapolgar_ECA,WHG,Globular_Amphora_Ukraine,Mbuti<br /><br />n/p if not in your dataset.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86386243822098494492018-03-05T14:57:40.538-08:002018-03-05T14:57:40.538-08:00@Azra, GAC Poland not too much like GAC Ukraine in...@Azra, GAC Poland not too much like GAC Ukraine in these stats! What do we get with <br /><br />Mbuti,Globular_Amphora_Poland,Scotland_N,Globular_Amphora_Ukraine<br />Mbuti,Globular_Amphora_Poland,France_MLN,Globular_Amphora_Ukraine<br />Mbuti,Globular_Amphora_Poland,Germany_MN,Globular_Amphora_Ukraine<br />Mbuti,Globular_Amphora_Poland,Iberia_Chl,Globular_Amphora_Ukraine<br />Mbuti,Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57110430913928740672018-03-05T14:44:31.736-08:002018-03-05T14:44:31.736-08:00@ Matt
Mbuti Beaker_The_Netherlands Scotland_N Gl...@ Matt<br /><br />Mbuti Beaker_The_Netherlands Scotland_N Globular_Amphora_Poland 0.0041 2.235 734918 <br />Mbuti Beaker_The_Netherlands Scotland_N Globular_Amphora_Ukraine -0.0089 -5.165 945311 <br />Mbuti Beaker_Britain Scotland_N Globular_Amphora_Poland 0.0023 1.439 748336 <br />Mbuti Beaker_Britain Scotland_N Globular_Amphora_Ukraine -0.0088 -5.697 1012231 <br />Mbuti Scotland_N Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20266671319171848432018-03-05T13:40:48.652-08:002018-03-05T13:40:48.652-08:00@Rob, thanks for your comment, yeah, that's ce...@Rob, thanks for your comment, yeah, that's certainly a possibility I'm considering, and seems like the most straightforward interpretation of these stats. Mainly trying to work out if there is something simple explanation that I haven't thought of that still means that GAC is the best MN type ancestor...<br /><br />Would say I'm not so sure about whether qpAdm can or can't doMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7912885138796057682018-03-05T13:31:36.892-08:002018-03-05T13:31:36.892-08:00Now for the second pair of stats.
Plotting a biv...Now for the second pair of stats. <br /><br />Plotting a bivariate linear fit between D(Tiszapolgar_ECA, WHG; X, Mbuti) and D(Tiszapolgar_ECA, WHG; X, Mbuti): https://imgur.com/a/AVtyD<br /><br />The intercept is set to zero, and the end of the line cuts through Balkans_N and Barcin_N which have roughly a difference of ≈0 between both stats. So the residual is (+) how much more a population is Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55062998006980399042018-03-05T13:31:16.862-08:002018-03-05T13:31:16.862-08:00@ Matt
Maybe the DStats are reflecting what i sug...@ Matt<br />Maybe the DStats are reflecting what i suggeated above - the overall majority of West European moderns and Beaker folk harbour the majority of their autosomal ancestry from western Neolithics. Moreover, maybe qpAdm can’t discern multiple streams of similar ancestry ?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52051492294731883192018-03-05T12:48:38.977-08:002018-03-05T12:48:38.977-08:00Cheers Davidski. So plotting those stats, first pa...Cheers Davidski. So plotting those stats, first pairs in this post:<br /><br />Y: D(Mbuti, X; Scotland_N, Globular Amphora), X: D(Mbuti, X; Iberia_Chl, Globular Amphora) - https://i.imgur.com/kSIZG1p.png<br /><br />Same, restricting to ancients with >800,000 SNPs - https://imgur.com/a/RS5ml<br /><br />Present day people show a pretty clear cline where:<br /><br />a) essentially all Western Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.com