tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post3057548503738644443..comments2024-03-19T02:38:12.460-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: The enigmatic headless Romans from YorkDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger113125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61741694526205658462016-09-11T12:50:15.493-07:002016-09-11T12:50:15.493-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Theramsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01300691374555389102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62695931633472713592016-02-05T10:20:08.125-08:002016-02-05T10:20:08.125-08:00Considering that Halberstadt_LBA (from central nor...Considering that Halberstadt_LBA (from central northern Germany) comes out closest to Swedes in the oracles of Eurogenes K13 and MDLP K13 Ultimate, I started to realise that the Germanics were on an east-west cline, with even rather western tribes from north of the Harz mountains having quite some eastern affinity. Somehow some of this may have entered 3DRIF-16 and 6DRIF-3.Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16098329236286722222016-02-02T19:43:17.414-08:002016-02-02T19:43:17.414-08:00@Krefter
Galileo was a rebel.
Thank you.
Right ...@Krefter<br /><br />Galileo was a rebel.<br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />Right is right; science is science; bad logic is bad logic; conflicting theories still conflict. The question is how self-described scientists can justify their theories. Here the answer is, "pretty poorly."<br /><br />Of course, you can move for burning at the stake. That doesn't improve your logic, only mooreisbetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17522884275516185288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84061118934657185612016-01-30T19:00:05.898-08:002016-01-30T19:00:05.898-08:00@mooreisbetter,
Settle down. Stop being such a re...@mooreisbetter,<br /><br />Settle down. Stop being such a rebel and bashing everything on this blog. Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79612114193252085142016-01-30T17:12:42.475-08:002016-01-30T17:12:42.475-08:00Yes, and to take your viewpoint, you have to:
1. ...Yes, and to take your viewpoint, you have to:<br /><br />1. Ignore that all of Italy is on a pronounced North - South, and smaller East - West clade.<br /><br />2. Assume that these clades are the results of some odd non-reality bizarro world where Roman latifundia, cities, and the entire Roman slave trade went to the south.<br /><br />3. That the Etruscans (1000 BC) weren't Italian; they mooreisbetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17522884275516185288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14176940273943728792016-01-29T17:43:25.305-08:002016-01-29T17:43:25.305-08:00You're wasting my time.
At some point, probab...You're wasting my time.<br /><br />At some point, probably sooner rather than later, considering how fast things are moving in paleogenomics, you'll have to face reality.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11566662599189097032016-01-29T08:43:23.874-08:002016-01-29T08:43:23.874-08:00@Davidski
The problem with your cherished calcul...@Davidski<br /><br /><b><br />The problem with your cherished calculators and the oracles at Gedmatch is that there are 40 of them, and all 40 give different results.<br /><br />Tell me again how they are never wrong?<br /><br />I was just corresponding with an attorney, who put it thusly:<br /><br />"If I was interviewing 40 witnesses, and got 40 different statements, I would know that all mooreisbetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17522884275516185288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83709158882561241692016-01-29T05:05:21.393-08:002016-01-29T05:05:21.393-08:00Apologies for the confusion! Indeed I have mistake...Apologies for the confusion! Indeed I have mistaken Anatolia_Neolithic for 3DRIF-26 in that D-stats plot! <br /><br />Thanks for spotting. Now everything makes more sense.. Alexandroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367338366334463624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41311879989961052392016-01-29T03:18:12.234-08:002016-01-29T03:18:12.234-08:00"Um, no. You have no authority for such a sta..."Um, no. You have no authority for such a statement, historical, prosopographical, or otherwise. Italy, like all countries, is a big place. There are plenty of regions where folks did not afford or own slaves. And that are remote. And gosh it's so strange: you purport to have found the North African admixture but no Germanic, no Celtic? Odd."<br /><br />We can easily define a North George Okromchedlishvilihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10084840993572421367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10939772440568480062016-01-28T23:15:11.635-08:002016-01-28T23:15:11.635-08:00@Davidski
From my correspondences with people who...@Davidski<br /><br />From my correspondences with people who use GEDmatch calculators and Oracles I can say that there is no problem with your calculators or their Oracles. The problem is that many people misinterpret or dislike their results. Many people with normal European ancestries want to find some exotic ancestry and when they do not find it in their results they either protest or Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78430040934369930962016-01-28T22:53:51.427-08:002016-01-28T22:53:51.427-08:00I know several Italians with (a) documented ancest...<i>I know several Italians with (a) documented ancestry to the dawn of birth records, (b) from places that were not exactly high targets for invasion, in Roman, Medieval, or Modern times, and (c) with classic European phenotypes -- who type off with your calculators.</i><br /><br />Their results reflect their ancestry.<br /><br />Just because they or you don't like or understand these resultsDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85740628519702959212016-01-28T22:42:06.275-08:002016-01-28T22:42:06.275-08:00@Davidski
"You're confusing inferred com...@Davidski<br /><br /><i>"You're confusing inferred components that have arbitrary names with ethnic classifications."</i><br /><br /><b>I'm glad you admit your names aka your classifications are arbitrary</b><br /><br /><i>"Italians always show up as some type of Italian in my tests at GEDmatch, unless they have unusually high and probably recent admixture from outside of mooreisbetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17522884275516185288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2320372445296318772016-01-28T06:12:57.326-08:002016-01-28T06:12:57.326-08:00@Davidski
Seems like there's some confusion h...@Davidski<br /><br /><i>Seems like there's some confusion here. I can't put 3DRIF-26 on that plot because he doesn't share enough markers with MA1.</i><br /><br />I guess Alexandros confused Anatolia Neolithic with 3DRIF-26, since there is Anatolia Neolithic where he says 3DRIF-26 is on that plot.<br /><br /><i>Not sure where he'd plot if he was on there. Probably with the less Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74563832888202054772016-01-28T05:30:31.809-08:002016-01-28T05:30:31.809-08:00Seems like there's some confusion here. I can&...Seems like there's some confusion here. I can't put 3DRIF-26 on that plot because he doesn't share enough markers with MA1.<br /><br />Not sure where he'd plot if he was on there. Probably with the less Kotias-related/more Sub-Saharan Near Easterners.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18956704030960654492016-01-28T05:09:22.886-08:002016-01-28T05:09:22.886-08:00@Alexandros
There is another plot (based on D-sta...@Alexandros<br /><br /><i>There is another plot (based on D-stats) that David shared a couple of days ago, which shows 3DRIF-26 shifting away from all Near Eastern populations and hovering somewhere between Sephardic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQT3hldkJmSnRtWlk/view).</i><br /><br />Where exactly is 3DRIF-26 on that plot? I cannot see him there.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32851134417173702132016-01-28T04:45:41.363-08:002016-01-28T04:45:41.363-08:00@Labayu and Samaritan DNA
Thanks for the detailed...@Labayu and Samaritan DNA<br /><br />Thanks for the detailed insight into the ancient Levant. Both of your interpretations make sense in terms of identifying the origin of 3DRIF-26, but this is based on the PCA plot shared by 'Samaritan DNA' (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwkCInUg9EPlRGxiVkRxaG5KTVk/view).<br /><br />There is another plot (based on D-stats) that David shared a couple Alexandroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367338366334463624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80636199583597784082016-01-28T01:52:59.517-08:002016-01-28T01:52:59.517-08:00@Samaritan DNA
The Yemenite Jews no doubt have s...@Samaritan DNA <br /><br />The Yemenite Jews no doubt have some Levantine Jewish ancestry, but the entire Kingdom of Ḥimyar converted to Judaism in the late Fourth Century CE, meaning Yemenite Jews may actually be descent proxies for pre-Islamic Arabia. Being intermediate between Samaritans and Yemenite Jews actually supports 3DRIF-26 being something like Nabatean. There is no reason to assume Labayuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890868350476424197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42959248686019335662016-01-27T19:44:54.471-08:002016-01-27T19:44:54.471-08:00A closeup of the above Eurogenes West Asia PCA.
T...<a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwkCInUg9EPlRGxiVkRxaG5KTVk/view?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">A closeup of the above Eurogenes West Asia PCA.</a><br /><br />This shows that 3DRIF-26 clusters very closely with a set of 4 Samaritans, particularly a Samaritan Levite. (It would seem that these 4 are unadmixed with Jews, while the other 2 from Behar's dataset are admixed.) The Levites in Samaritan DNAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15414090474833739318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50341500134009838302016-01-27T14:36:08.194-08:002016-01-27T14:36:08.194-08:00although apparently they were moved in the 1980s
...although apparently they were moved in the 1980s<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaberoun<br /><br />"A small tribe inhabited the oasis; the ruins of their settlement are scattered between the palms at the north-western shore of the lake. It is said that one of their sources of subsistence were the worm-like crustaceans they fished from the salty lake. They were moved in the 1980s Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8464183033646508642016-01-27T14:33:33.404-08:002016-01-27T14:33:33.404-08:00frinstance there's apparently a little tribe c...frinstance there's apparently a little tribe called Dawada (sp) tucked away in a remote part of the Libyan desert<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawada<br /><br />"The appearance of the Dawada is distinctive and has been likened to the Khoisan..."<br /><br />Looks remote enough at least...<br /><br />https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Gaberoun,+Libya/@Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68365946114049403372016-01-27T12:55:07.915-08:002016-01-27T12:55:07.915-08:00"For South Europeans maybe Yoruba is still a ..."For South Europeans maybe Yoruba is still a better reference, even if it might have a small amount of West Eurasian admixture (based on the assumption that Near Easterners have East African admixture, but NW Africans have West African admixture)."<br /><br />What if... OoA had two steps so<br />1) west african tropics (pop A)<br />2) out of tropics (north and south) (pop Bn and Bs)<br Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53531998182121331242016-01-27T10:49:00.010-08:002016-01-27T10:49:00.010-08:00@Fanty
"In the dialect of the city of Berlin...@Fanty<br /><br />"In the dialect of the city of Berlin, almost all "g" turn into "j"."<br /><br />Cool, thanks.Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61647656564094050772016-01-27T10:09:11.598-08:002016-01-27T10:09:11.598-08:00@Labayu
Thanks for your expert opinion! It is goo...@Labayu<br /><br />Thanks for your expert opinion! It is good to have input from someone who knows the nuts and bolts of the languages and can tell if a word is a look-alike compound or segmented wrong or whatever. (I recall someone trying to compare <i>goyim</i> with <i>gaijin</i>, lol.)<br /><br />I was actually dismissing the comparison of *malo to *mbleu, not the various vrihi-like ones. Withcapra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52998238248179307142016-01-27T01:45:55.993-08:002016-01-27T01:45:55.993-08:00@capra internetensis
I don’t have expertise to as...@capra internetensis<br /><br />I don’t have expertise to assess all those linguistic relationships, but I know that the methodologies involve more than just general similarity. Of the two on FrankN’s list with which I have some familiarity with the languages, I can see the relationship is very solid. The circumflex in the Akkadian word <i>kurângu</i> indicates a vowel contraction. It would haveLabayuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890868350476424197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42717424611230998852016-01-26T19:24:27.943-08:002016-01-26T19:24:27.943-08:003DRIF-26 seems to be quite close to six Samaritans...3DRIF-26 seems to be quite close to six Samaritans on this plot, but slightly shifted toward SSA / Egypt. He's not in the same place as the Lebanese_Christians, Palestinians, Jordanians, or Saudis. Could he have been an Alexandrian Jew, with a small amount of local Egyptian admixture? <br /><br /><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwkCInUg9EPlNDVNYjdieE4tRXM/view?usp=sharing" rel="Samaritan DNAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15414090474833739318noreply@blogger.com