tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post309450206566420713..comments2024-03-28T08:39:32.244-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Darra-i-Kur specimen about 25,000 years younger than previously thoughtDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42918871601443336212020-04-20T16:15:47.421-07:002020-04-20T16:15:47.421-07:00Hi everyone, I am working on my DNA research for m...Hi everyone, I am working on my DNA research for my family tree here are some of my rough draft notes..(This includes personal notes) https://www.academia.edu/s/b79d12283a?source=link<br /><br /> Specifically my DNA samples include some of the mention of H2a1 etc. n a theory of another route as suggested.. at first samples for one day I had L1a1 and on one of the websites I had matches on;y up Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442391362624687056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10187147842286855272017-05-14T20:26:09.002-07:002017-05-14T20:26:09.002-07:00Dave, by any means , process it ...Dave, by any means , process it ...Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1052929210369267132017-05-10T04:54:36.278-07:002017-05-10T04:54:36.278-07:00Additional instances of H2 and H1 I missed out rec...Additional instances of H2 and H1 I missed out recording in my <a href="http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/05/darra-i-kur-specimen-about-25000-years.html?showComment=1493910425923#c3506077341879120317" rel="nofollow">earlier comment</a>. No further H2a1 that I could see, but 3 more of H2a derivatives.<br /><br />Saraiki <i>did</i> have H2:<br />Among them, there's an <i>"H2a +152 1631&Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4783886458368743082017-05-08T23:57:52.052-07:002017-05-08T23:57:52.052-07:00Just been told that the genome-wide DNA for this s...Just been told that the genome-wide DNA for this sample is publicly available. Here it is...<br /><br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/biosample?Db=biosample&DbFrom=bioproject&Cmd=Link&LinkName=bioproject_biosample&LinkReadableName=BioSample&ordinalpos=1&IdsFromResult=335708<br /><br />But it's heavily contaminated, and not treated for deamination. So only the damaged Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62185080214524363772017-05-06T08:18:11.803-07:002017-05-06T08:18:11.803-07:00by young I mean recentby young I mean recentpostneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64260898416325537182017-05-06T08:17:25.163-07:002017-05-06T08:17:25.163-07:00"H2a entered Europe from the Near East during..."H2a entered Europe from the Near East during the Neolithic"<br /><br />what stops it from spilling over into Iran, some travel ban? MTDNA is very diffuse and at such a young age of 2500 BC H2a would be everywhere.postneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79471188663893052492017-05-05T18:43:43.243-07:002017-05-05T18:43:43.243-07:00Right now the steppe looks like a good bet.Right now the steppe looks like a good bet.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67091323857546065822017-05-05T18:37:12.821-07:002017-05-05T18:37:12.821-07:00The number of possibly origins for this ancient Af...The number of possibly origins for this ancient Afghan H2a are endless. The Steppe is just one possible origin and not the most likely. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6659909398006471882017-05-05T15:29:18.779-07:002017-05-05T15:29:18.779-07:00Currently, the Darra-i-Kur H2a does suggest a conn...Currently, the Darra-i-Kur H2a does suggest a connection to the steppe and also to other parts of Europe, because there's H2a on the ancient steppe and in various ancient European samples but not in ancient Iran. Even the H2a in the Chalcolithic Armenian samples might be linked to the steppe in some way, because of the high level of EHG admix in them.<br /><br />So at the moment it looks likeDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14471318776444555392017-05-05T12:25:45.456-07:002017-05-05T12:25:45.456-07:00@David,
H2a doesn't indicate a connection to ...@David,<br /><br />H2a doesn't indicate a connection to the Steppe. It just indicates a connection to the Stone age Near East. Afghanistan could have been something Iran Neo-like in 2500 BC which can explain the H2a.Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32196102134619514672017-05-05T02:59:17.899-07:002017-05-05T02:59:17.899-07:00Well, the thought crossed my mind, but Svante Paab...Well, the thought crossed my mind, but Svante Paabo is one of the co-authors, so imagine if he messed up a haplogroup assignment for an mtDNA genome sequenced at 181.9-fold coverage. That'd be really something.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63677227321763693692017-05-04T21:46:24.191-07:002017-05-04T21:46:24.191-07:00The problem with it being H2a is that the CRS is H...The problem with it being H2a is that the CRS is H2a. I corrected the paper on Bioxriv that says most Zoroastrians belong to H2a (they do not). It would be interesting if it is H2a but we need to look at the methods because H2a is one of the few haplogroups that is very prone to error because the CRS belongs to it. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04041180256724372370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41564558964023365172017-05-04T09:08:07.517-07:002017-05-04T09:08:07.517-07:00Thanks Ak2014b Thanks Ak2014b Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35060773418791203172017-05-04T08:07:05.923-07:002017-05-04T08:07:05.923-07:00I had a look through several mtDNA papers on Iran ...I had a look through several mtDNA papers on Iran to South Asia. H2a3 is not very common, but H2 in general doesn't seem to be either.<br /><br />Schönberg et al 2011 covering Caucasus and West Asia populations, 147 samples in total covering Georgia, Armenia, Azeri, Iran, Turkey,<br />1 x H2 in Turkic speaking Azeri<br />1 x H2, 1 x H2a3 in Armenian<br />1 x H2a1a, 1 x H1e1 in Turkey<br />1 xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83230203263239094892017-05-04T07:26:57.942-07:002017-05-04T07:26:57.942-07:00@ Rob
The earliest H6 is Israel, Wadi...@ Rob<br /> The earliest H6 is Israel, Wadi el Makkukh, approximately 4000 BCE. So I guess? H6 would be considered a Near Eastern line. But I've read that H6 may have been in Mesolithic Russia. I wish I knew how mtDNA H6a arrived on the PC Steppe...........jvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283765275775165180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6520184976106767722017-05-04T04:39:38.743-07:002017-05-04T04:39:38.743-07:00@ Davidski
To date: The earliest H2a is from Sam...@ Davidski <br /><br />To date: The earliest H2a is from Samara/Karelia. The earliest H from Near East is H5.<br />The earleist H from Caucasus (Kotias) is H13. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82537718778227330122017-05-04T04:39:14.213-07:002017-05-04T04:39:14.213-07:00Seems wiser to wait for the results than to specul...<i>Seems wiser to wait for the results than to speculate</i><br /><br />Yeah lets do that . Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71236584946889793092017-05-04T04:29:31.553-07:002017-05-04T04:29:31.553-07:00I see. But still its present from ~5000 BC Samara...I see. But still its present from ~5000 BC Samara . Perhaps as Jaydeep suggested us , its already there in Neolithic period . Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88781999553019681412017-05-04T04:23:45.806-07:002017-05-04T04:23:45.806-07:00Nirj, I recall that Yuzhnyy Oleni Ostrov has been ...Nirj, I recall that Yuzhnyy Oleni Ostrov has been recently reassigned to mtDNA R1b or something similar. This is a very quick and hasty comment from me so please check this!Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24986569615160854522017-05-04T04:04:13.598-07:002017-05-04T04:04:13.598-07:00aha! from Mtdna Guru Kristiina ;) :
''Olym...aha! from Mtdna Guru Kristiina ;) :<br />''Olympus, Balkans are very interesting from the metallurgy point of view and it will be very interesting if we get ancient yDNA from Vinča culture (5700–4500 BC) which provides the earliest known example of copper metallurgy. What archaeological culture do you have in mind when you point to a population movement from the north Balkans to Anatolia Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60756988150490269172017-05-04T03:56:26.343-07:002017-05-04T03:56:26.343-07:00But IIRC Yuzhnyy Oleni Ostrov of Karelia had H2a...But IIRC Yuzhnyy Oleni Ostrov of Karelia had H2a .Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63202574434855133832017-05-04T03:54:31.331-07:002017-05-04T03:54:31.331-07:00I can't comment on H2a , we need a specialist ...I can't comment on H2a , we need a specialist , who will tell about its occurrence through space and time. Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14046405343748253522017-05-04T03:51:24.067-07:002017-05-04T03:51:24.067-07:00People are already suggesting local ancestry or de...People are already suggesting local ancestry or deeper ancestry which create the Yamnaya type ancestry, which is not from Yamnaya . <br /><br />If such ancestry is already there in SC Asia at mature harappan time, a time period which shows evidence of trade wise relation between BMAC and Indian Civilization , its clearly obvious that it had nothing to do a to steppe . Now Dave is acting like a Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34298929401419266622017-05-04T03:44:16.194-07:002017-05-04T03:44:16.194-07:00Btw, H2a is not native to Central Asia. It's n...Btw, H2a is not native to Central Asia. It's native to the Near East.<br /><br />It arrived on the steppe with admixture from the Near East.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10398098001797146732017-05-04T03:40:01.045-07:002017-05-04T03:40:01.045-07:00The EHG/CHG mixture can't be local to SC Asia ...The EHG/CHG mixture can't be local to SC Asia and it can't be foreign to Eastern Europe.<br /><br />We have evidence of it happening on the Pontic-Caspian Steppe in Eastern Europe gradually during the Eneolithic, with samples that carry R1a.<br /><br />If this Afghan sample shows EHG/CHG ancestry and R1a, and looks obviously steppe admixed, then it has recent ancestry from Eastern Europe.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com