tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post3146766050698718558..comments2024-03-28T03:42:11.788-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Modeling the ancestry of Yamnaya with qpAdmDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger215125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89614911964126723392015-12-28T15:24:26.596-08:002015-12-28T15:24:26.596-08:00Me too! My MtDNA really expanded with the Yamnaya ...Me too! My MtDNA really expanded with the Yamnaya Culture but....... Did she come up from the Caucasus, perhaps from to the Iranian Plateau to the Maykop Culture OR did she migrate west from the Asian Steppes. With more research and studies maybe we will know. Jennifer Vibbertjvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283765275775165180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90272335594286975292015-12-28T04:41:46.599-08:002015-12-28T04:41:46.599-08:00I would too. R1b in Samara was found with MtDNA H6...I would too. R1b in Samara was found with MtDNA H6a1b. I WANT to know much more about MtDNA H6a1 as it seems she expanded with Yamnaya Culture. MtDNA H6a1a was found in a Corded WRe site in Esperstedt Germany. However, I would like to know was H6a1 a Steppe forager OR came up through the Caucasus. Perhaps was in from the Maykop Culture. Jen Vjvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283765275775165180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90600947677308126072015-03-25T17:57:43.543-07:002015-03-25T17:57:43.543-07:00Three more for Yamnaya...
Yamnaya
Samara_HG 0.496...Three more for Yamnaya...<br /><br />Yamnaya<br />Samara_HG 0.496<br />Afghan_Pashtun 0.504<br /><br />std. errors: 0.055 0.055<br />chisq 29.390<br />p-value for nested model: 1.85278e-11<br /><br />Yamnaya<br />Samara_HG 0.459<br />Tajik_Pomiri 0.541<br /><br />std. errors: 0.046 0.046<br />chisq 36.252<br />p-value for nested model: 2.88225e-15<br /><br />Yamnaya<br />Samara_HG 0.535<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51458576404393927812015-03-23T03:11:13.669-07:002015-03-23T03:11:13.669-07:00@Nick Patterson,
Thank you for the note about the...@Nick Patterson,<br /><br />Thank you for the note about the "outgroup case". I will read your paper in detail.Balajihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09561110603904765636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61076231291613347242015-03-22T20:53:27.113-07:002015-03-22T20:53:27.113-07:00Nick,
''1. Relationship between
Yamnaya a...Nick,<br />''1. Relationship between <br />Yamnaya and South Asia very interesting. but South India has <br />ANI and I think no HG. North India <br />is more complicated. ''<br />I understand.<br />''2. Maikop. Don't know and won't <br />guess! ''<br /> And Why should guess? it was a stupid question of me :P as you guys will conduct aDNA analysis there Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10100921678096026692015-03-22T20:45:26.029-07:002015-03-22T20:45:26.029-07:00Kristiina,
'' The prohibitive particle of ...Kristiina,<br />'' The prohibitive particle of the Sântâl, a Kôl dialect, is ‘âlâ;’the Finnish prohibitive also is ”älä.”<br /><br />In fact the finnish negative morphemes are ”e” (E-n tule = I will NOT come) and ”ÄLÄ” (älä tule = do not come)''<br />On Kol and Santal yes i confirm that from first hand observations! and as you know they belong to Munda family not of Dravidian:)<Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65030065862036994322015-03-22T14:24:09.722-07:002015-03-22T14:24:09.722-07:00@Nirjhar007
1. Relationship between
Yamnaya and...@Nirjhar007 <br />1. Relationship between <br />Yamnaya and South Asia very interesting. but South India has <br />ANI and I think no HG. North India <br />is more complicated. <br /><br />2. Maikop. Don't know and won't <br />guess! <br /><br />NIckNick Patterson (Broad)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15606881879148004553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67974237270279004492015-03-22T12:31:13.673-07:002015-03-22T12:31:13.673-07:00Bomhard’s text seems to be available here: https:/...Bomhard’s text seems to be available here: https://archive.org/stream/BomhardAComprehensiveIntroductionToNostraticComparativeLinguistics_201402/Bomhard%20-%20A%20Comprehensive%20Introduction%20to%20Nostratic%20Comparative%20Linguistics_djvu.txt<br /><br />Caldwell’s book ”Comparative Dravidian grammar” is also interesting in this regard. I do not know what this Scythian language is what he is Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49046029815869045022015-03-22T10:05:33.186-07:002015-03-22T10:05:33.186-07:00Kristiina,
Are you talking about Negative verb con...Kristiina,<br />Are you talking about Negative verb conjugations??<br />''If yDNA N was moving in Kazakhstan area (in addition to China :-)), it could explain the above similarities, provided that Dravidian languages were spokend in Central Asia at the same time.''<br />Yeah:) <br />'' the area is very restricted and the meanings are not comletely clear''<br />I Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79781377815290341192015-03-22T09:26:35.857-07:002015-03-22T09:26:35.857-07:00Thank you for that link! I skimmed through it, and...Thank you for that link! I skimmed through it, and I must say that the list of morphological similarities between Dravidian and Uralic languages is much bigger than that between Uralic and Yukaghiric or Uralic and Eskimo languages and the overall grammatical structure is very similar. The morphological similarities between Turkic/Mongolic and Uralic languages are also obvious. The most striking Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12159032622570625512015-03-22T08:04:21.355-07:002015-03-22T08:04:21.355-07:00@Kristiina
On Sanskrit Sishu it appears a convinci...@Kristiina<br />On Sanskrit Sishu it appears a convincing IE belonging exists-<br />http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=%5Cdata%5Cie%5Cpiet&first=1&off=&text_proto=&method_proto=substring&ic_proto=on&text_meaning=&method_meaning=substring&ic_meaning=on&text_hitt=&method_hitt=substring&ic_hitt=on&Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64648515978279358942015-03-22T07:55:26.415-07:002015-03-22T07:55:26.415-07:00@Nick
If you please kindly answer:
1. Do you think...@Nick<br />If you please kindly answer:<br />1. Do you think the South Asian Type component(s) that appeared in Yamnaya and CWC Samples can simply be a result of Basal type Ancestry or A signal of Migrations of people having such ancestry?<br />2. What will be your expectations from Samples of Maykop? Do you think they can show more South Asian affinity?.Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27798434956995358892015-03-22T07:45:57.999-07:002015-03-22T07:45:57.999-07:00Kristiina,
On Dravidian-Uralic relations here an i...Kristiina,<br />On Dravidian-Uralic relations here an interesting one though the source is not very conventional<br />http://www.scribd.com/doc/194650820/Tyler-Proto-Dravido-Uralian-1986<br />And about sishu and sisus i think its simple and better to think the words are unrelated:).Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84802357437851758482015-03-22T07:23:03.614-07:002015-03-22T07:23:03.614-07:00And I do not know the existing etymology of the Ba...And I do not know the existing etymology of the Basque word either. The Russian etymology is confirmed and the Hungarian word is of unknown etymology.Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85953865694899209762015-03-22T07:12:08.549-07:002015-03-22T07:12:08.549-07:00”Sisus” does not have much cognates within Uralic ...”Sisus” does not have much cognates within Uralic languages apart from Finnic languages. Only Mordvine has a cognate word ”śezəm” pith of tree. If there is a connection between sisu and sishu, the logic could be the following, stomach > child or side, rib > child<br /><br />Hungarian gyermek, gyerek gyomor = stomach<br />Basque haur hera= gizzard (in Spanish the same word (molleja) is Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58017855946823673172015-03-22T07:01:05.752-07:002015-03-22T07:01:05.752-07:00@Balaji
A technical comment:
Beware of the &quo...@Balaji<br /><br /> A technical comment:<br /> Beware of the "outgroup case" <br />This is discussed in my <br />"Ancient Admixture" paper. <br />Note that modern European pops <br />all are admixed with MNeolithic <br />and ANE; so this is especially <br />plausible. <br />That is your negative Z scores are<br />(I think) to be expected. <br /> I'd like to think Nick Patterson (Broad)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15606881879148004553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20155757433895690642015-03-22T06:06:55.256-07:002015-03-22T06:06:55.256-07:00Kristiina,
Nope I don't prefer OIT but South O...Kristiina,<br />Nope I don't prefer OIT but South Of Caspian though the researcher i linked does.<br />Yes there are very important aDNA studies coming up we can consider ourselves lucky to live in this age actually.<br />Yes at the moment i'm working with Prof. Benedetti to establish a good research on PIE borrowings in different Non-IE languages and the reverse with some thought on Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71387561059782259602015-03-22T04:02:45.473-07:002015-03-22T04:02:45.473-07:00Thank you for your link Nirjhar!
Personally, I pr...Thank you for your link Nirjhar!<br /><br />Personally, I prefer the idea that Uralic and IE languages share a language among their ancestor languages as I believe in mixing of genes as well as languages. As long as things are not proven, we can stick to our pet theories, and I also know that many will stick to theirs also after that. :-) At the moment, OIT is in big difficulties; Central Asian Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20057115673186272732015-03-22T04:00:12.023-07:002015-03-22T04:00:12.023-07:00Alberto,
You had written, “I agree with ASI being...Alberto,<br /><br />You had written, “I agree with ASI being a very basal component probably to all Out of Africa populations. The older the genomes we get, the more South Asian they show in admixture tests (MA-1 quite clearly, but even more Ust'-Ishim)."<br /><br />I don't think ASI is in all Out-of-Africa populations. Early and Middle Neolothic Europeans did not have it and neitherBalajihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09561110603904765636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87421246159614950372015-03-22T01:15:20.444-07:002015-03-22T01:15:20.444-07:00Mike, think about linguistics at a personal family...Mike, think about linguistics at a personal family level. How the hell could language not be all about genetics? We learn our first language in our homes and small closely related communities. This was even more true in the past.<br /><br />Before large states like Rome, it would have been difficult for the elitist to force everyone to speak their language. <br /><br />Language and genetics wereKrefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87899826126325421152015-03-22T01:06:05.107-07:002015-03-22T01:06:05.107-07:00@ Krefter
"My knowledge on this is very nubb...@ Krefter<br /><br />"My knowledge on this is very nubby"<br /><br />There's nothing wrong with that, but if you're going to make grand claims that much of central Europe has 'middle Eastern DNA', you should have some facts to back it up. Clearly, you don't. <br /><br />""E1b" and "J"<br /><br />Ive already explained this earlier on. You needAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259212254098264600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10261783270162818492015-03-22T00:58:03.656-07:002015-03-22T00:58:03.656-07:00@Mike, hold back on the insults when you don't...@Mike, hold back on the insults when you don't know where someone is coming from. I just started hobby-studying a year and a half ago, and I don't have time to become an expert in linguistics and archaeology while in school. Maybe in 10 years I'll know a thing or to. <br /><br />As more genetic data comes in it will only continue to support the steppe origin of IE in Europe and the Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4628639218676210502015-03-21T23:35:43.336-07:002015-03-21T23:35:43.336-07:00@Mike,
"Yes those Bronze Age Indo europeans b...@Mike,<br />"Yes those Bronze Age Indo europeans back in 4000 BC signed a UN brokered agreement as to which parts of Central -Northern Europe to invade and settle "<br /><br />Simply put: Poles descend from Corded ware and Germans partly descend from Bell beaker. <br /><br />The divide between R1b-L11 dominated western IEs and R1a-Z282 dominated eastern IEs is at Germany and Poland Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44700036095362831582015-03-21T23:12:22.584-07:002015-03-21T23:12:22.584-07:00Mike,
I'm agreeing with what most experts say...Mike,<br /><br />I'm agreeing with what most experts say. That's what's on Wikipedia. Of course I consider other theories, but see less convincing evidence for them so far. <br /><br />"But out of interest , which "Middle Eastern" Y haplogroups are found in Central Europe ?"<br /><br />My knowledge on this is very nubby. In the next several months though I should Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30693979537653855312015-03-21T23:12:17.150-07:002015-03-21T23:12:17.150-07:00R1b and R1a
"They're border is right aro...R1b and R1a<br /><br />"They're border is right around the political border of Germany and Poland, no surprise. "<br /><br />Yes those Bronze Age Indo europeans back in 4000 BC signed a UN brokered agreement as to which parts of Central -Northern Europe to invade and settle <br /><br />Btw it's "their", not "they're"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259212254098264600noreply@blogger.com