tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post3500086423455412589..comments2024-03-28T08:39:32.244-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Understanding the Eneolithic steppeDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger445125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63106112206304131212020-06-01T08:10:51.181-07:002020-06-01T08:10:51.181-07:00@archlingo
Both linguists and archaeologists rema...@archlingo<br /><br /><i>Both linguists and archaeologists remain very reserved regarding any homeland hypothesis - perhaps because fearing to loose own terrain.</i><br /><br />Bullshit.<br /><br />The typical view is that there are no plausible alternatives to the steppe homeland.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75721776790635647062020-06-01T07:03:40.023-07:002020-06-01T07:03:40.023-07:00"By and large, the PC steppe is still seen by..."By and large, the PC steppe is still seen by historical linguists and archeologists as the most sensible place to put the PIE homeland." < Having just written a book about The Earliest Wheel Finds, their Archeology and Indo-European Terminology in Time and Space, and Early Migrations around the Caucasus, I cannot follow this sentence. Both linguists and archaeologists remain very archlingohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205642607246740258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55336189595567588632020-05-16T01:31:59.366-07:002020-05-16T01:31:59.366-07:00"the most widely accepted Indo-European phylo..."the most widely accepted Indo-European phylogenies show the Anatolian family as the most basal node."<br />All approaches with the mentioned result are heavily biased by neglecting the Zipf-distribution of the linguistic data and other shortcomings.<br />archlingoarchlingohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205642607246740258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30123585772192970492020-05-16T01:02:25.214-07:002020-05-16T01:02:25.214-07:00@gamerz_J
I am not going to call them ANE now, be...@gamerz_J<br /><br />I am not going to call them ANE now, because using this simplified handle for them apparently causes misunderstandings. EHG and even more western groups had ancestry from people who lived in Western Siberia in the Epipaleolithic. This population was mainly "ANE", but not purely. <br />Ancestry "via ANE" is definitely not the right term, because this is theSlumberyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139930329199925111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-92028588527434724232020-05-15T04:42:26.391-07:002020-05-15T04:42:26.391-07:00@Slumberry
Thanks,but I do have a last question a...@Slumberry<br /><br />Thanks,but I do have a last question about x East Asian ancestry in late Paleolithic Siberian ancestors, are you referring to ancestry via ANE or something else?<br />gamerz_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10051893158540001073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16155719746800481012020-05-14T12:03:10.735-07:002020-05-14T12:03:10.735-07:00gamerz_J
"How much East Asian admixture do y...gamerz_J<br /><br /><i>"How much East Asian admixture do you think they had?"</i><br /><br />I cannot answer this question. Note that nMonte and its formal "sibling" qpAdm work with existing samples and cannot work with ghost populations. <br />Also they could have different East Asian ancestries from different time depths, so the ancestry paths can be rather braided river Slumberyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139930329199925111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8200196884159719462020-05-13T03:13:47.817-07:002020-05-13T03:13:47.817-07:00@Vincent
"This is archaeologically sound as ...@Vincent<br /><br />"This is archaeologically sound as well because that is also when asian cord ceramics arrives in Baikal region.<br /><br />WSHG/Tyumen is simply proxy to capture that signal. Using proximate sources and accounting drift improves fit considerably."<br /><br />WSHG had 20% East Asian ancestry. If Karelia had (about) 20% WSHG ancestry then they had about 3-4% East Asiangamerz_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10051893158540001073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73869342723851977412020-05-13T03:06:42.290-07:002020-05-13T03:06:42.290-07:00@Slumbery
Thanks quite clear! Trying out the Glob...@Slumbery<br /><br />Thanks quite clear! Trying out the Global 25 I got similar results but worse results because I only used Afontova Gora, WHG and CHG. I suspect the Barcin_N signal is due to Dzuduzana ancestry.<br />However, could you please elaborate on the following?<br /><br /><br />"I said the late Paleolithic West Siberians who moved into Europe had it. And they had it because of gamerz_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10051893158540001073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78780991250097144342020-05-12T16:44:48.326-07:002020-05-12T16:44:48.326-07:00@mzp1
You can start with these blog posts and map...@mzp1<br /><br />You can start with these blog posts and maps:<br /><br /><a href="https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/04/on-doorstep-of-india.html" rel="nofollow">On the doorstep of india</a><br /><br /><a href="https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/04/some-myths-die-hard.html" rel="nofollow">Some myths die hard</a><br /><br /><a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CdN1sEbEiis/XXocjUcDplI/AAAAAAAAIOoDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65758506050867158112020-05-12T16:17:44.915-07:002020-05-12T16:17:44.915-07:00@Davidski,
Ok, but can you/someone fill me in on ...@Davidski,<br /><br />Ok, but can you/someone fill me in on what's wrong with what I said about the affinity of North Indians to EHG vs Yamna as evidence against a steppe migration into India?<br /><br />I guess I should find another outlet for discussions and ideas, not because I don't like it here, but I don't really want to push these ideas here if your not interested.<br /><br />mzp1https://www.blogger.com/profile/14352478218345657952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73122266261358133422020-05-12T16:10:18.444-07:002020-05-12T16:10:18.444-07:00@mzp1
Learn the basics and stop trolling here or ...@mzp1<br /><br />Learn the basics and stop trolling here or you're banned.<br /><br />Last chance.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43975498635823267072020-05-12T15:35:38.444-07:002020-05-12T15:35:38.444-07:00@Mr. J,
Yes, I think there is some Finnish specif...@Mr. J,<br /><br />Yes, I think there is some Finnish specific drift in G25 PCA. There's three Finnic pops in G25 PCA: Finnish, East Finnish, Karelian.<br /><br />East Finnish is most pure Finnish. All Finnic pops share drift with them. <br /><br />"Finnish" fit as 75% East Finnish, 25% Swedish. <br />Karelian fit as 65% East Finnish, 25% Russian, 10% Saami<br /><br />Russian PinegaSamuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81601316236423400132020-05-12T15:21:50.197-07:002020-05-12T15:21:50.197-07:00mzp1 said...
"People talking about an Aryan ...mzp1 said... <br />"People talking about an Aryan Migration in terms of aDNA don't understand the concepts like EHG, CHG, Steppe_MLBA etc."<br /><br />Don't lie, you're a liar. You're the one who doesn't understand. You don't understand anything about any subject, you only carry one verbal diarrhea. Your delirium can't fool anyone because everyone knows you&#Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50067244562278547472020-05-12T15:00:19.620-07:002020-05-12T15:00:19.620-07:00@Vladimir,
That is not the reason.
CHG reflects ...@Vladimir,<br /><br />That is not the reason.<br /><br />CHG reflects the affinity of South Asians to the Caucuses. EHG reflects South Asian affinity to MA1 and AG3 populations.<br /><br />South Asia has very deep affinity to both groups. <br /><br />So when we model South Asians, we are modelling ancient relationships, for ASI we can use any modern South Indian, then CHG models the bidirectionalmzp1https://www.blogger.com/profile/14352478218345657952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58529818148752386762020-05-12T10:33:07.673-07:002020-05-12T10:33:07.673-07:00The answer to this question will be given by sampl...The answer to this question will be given by samples of the Abashevo culture from which Sintashta originated. When you see the Abashevo migration path, you will know that it ran through the entire forest strip of the European part of Russia, where it gained EHG. The population of the Catacomb culture ( descendants of Yamnaya) was mostly exterminated, and the remnants of it were pushed partly to Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46032223759102054542020-05-12T08:49:37.231-07:002020-05-12T08:49:37.231-07:00Hey Davidski,
I'm no fan of crackpot theories...Hey Davidski,<br /><br />I'm no fan of crackpot theories either, but given that you seem like a fan of the Aryan Migration Theory, I was wondering if you could explain these.<br /><br />https://ibb.co/g6kMRcf<br /><br />Why are South Asians as closely related to EHG as they are with Yamna. Doesn't makes sense in terms of a Aryan Migration Theory. IF there was only Iran_N in South Asia mzp1https://www.blogger.com/profile/14352478218345657952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64429525157189765272020-05-12T08:44:48.733-07:002020-05-12T08:44:48.733-07:00@Davidski Samul and others.
Is it possible to det...@Davidski Samul and others.<br /><br />Is it possible to detect Finland/Finnish specific genetic drift in the genomes of individuals using G25?Mr. Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15840493145076476113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38000494186921697882020-05-12T08:08:28.985-07:002020-05-12T08:08:28.985-07:00@vAsiSTha
You just don't have the ability to ...@vAsiSTha<br /><br />You just don't have the ability to fill in the gaps. <br /><br />That's OK, a lot of people don't, but at least they don't get obsessive compulsive about it online.<br /><br />You should stop making a fool of yourself though, because I'm sure even you realize that thousands of ancient samples are on the way, and nothing will be left to our imaginations.<brDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79687243217057801812020-05-12T07:53:17.573-07:002020-05-12T07:53:17.573-07:00"https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RtA2CcKI6E..."https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RtA2CcKI6EJbRfJWe6V9CF-KMcr2E7Z0"<br /><br />Lol idiot i never claimed that the 2 high quality khvalynsk samples had anyhing to do with central asia. theyre just EHG + CHG with no central asian or wshg at all. Theyre also younger than I0434 sample.<br /><br />Im talking about progress_en & Khvalynsk_o I0434 and the other unpublished khvalynsk Q-M25vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67011890486413313172020-05-12T07:12:45.137-07:002020-05-12T07:12:45.137-07:00@vAsiSTha
This is what TreeMix thinks of your Khv...@vAsiSTha<br /><br />This is what TreeMix thinks of your Khvalynsk theory.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RtA2CcKI6EJbRfJWe6V9CF-KMcr2E7Z0<br /><br />Bahaha...<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8812810239455501182020-05-12T06:21:22.221-07:002020-05-12T06:21:22.221-07:00I am not sure if you even talking to me actually a...I am not sure if you even talking to me actually as you keep attackíng statemens that are the opposites of mines. I did not say ANE had those SNPs. I said the late Paleolithic West Siberians who moved into Europe had it. And they had it because of their East Asian admixture. I say exactly what your sources claim in this regard. You are bringing up a contradiction that does not exist. <br /><br /Slumberyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139930329199925111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72906120462083910272020-05-12T04:48:29.939-07:002020-05-12T04:48:29.939-07:00@Slumber
You haven't bothered keeping up with...@Slumber<br /><br />You haven't bothered keeping up with recently published Eastern Steppe genomic study or East Asian genomic study. I'm not surprised by how confused you are, even with all the new emerging evidence. <br /><br />ANE samples do not have EDAR alleles, it's SNP data on reich lab site is available. It is coming from actual East Asian source outside ANE as Wang/Lazaridi Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06113544703187048334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11756050772014568392020-05-11T21:58:04.324-07:002020-05-11T21:58:04.324-07:00@Vincent
I never claimed that pure ANE came into ...@Vincent<br /><br />I never claimed that pure ANE came into Europe, if it seemed so it just simplified phrasing in specific context. I might call the Paleolothic Siebrian ancetry of EHG "ANE", but I do not mean it a literal way. ANE is a ghost population, we do not have any direct samples from it. <br /><br />What I am telling again and again European HG-s do not have East Asian Slumberyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139930329199925111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64161095490733709822020-05-11T21:42:07.543-07:002020-05-11T21:42:07.543-07:00@gamerz_J
"I got further interested in this ...@gamerz_J<br /><br /><i>"I got further interested in this topic, do you have any good model for EHG?"</i><br /><br />EHG is actually not that super difficult to model. We have the usual problem of not having the exact right ancestral populations, but keeping that in mind there are reasonably good proximates. The main part is Paleolithic Siberian "ANE" (as AG3 in the lask of a Slumberyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139930329199925111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84552489985821068842020-05-11T20:24:11.742-07:002020-05-11T20:24:11.742-07:00@vAsiSTha
Good luck with your crackpot theories....@vAsiSTha <br /><br />Good luck with your crackpot theories. Maybe one day you'll be able to write a fiction novel.<br /><br />Crackpots like you come and go here regularly.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com