tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post3515343732335024765..comments2024-03-29T04:00:27.058-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Hurrians and the othersDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger147125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53439480424921828842016-10-12T06:44:04.880-07:002016-10-12T06:44:04.880-07:00Davidski what is your definition of Near Eastern? ...Davidski what is your definition of Near Eastern? I get a bit confused because some people use this to refer to a region stretching from Iran to Turkey and everything in between. Others refer to the Levant and Turkey....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66812993865115207342016-10-11T11:47:29.918-07:002016-10-11T11:47:29.918-07:00@FrankN
Thanks. Like the Laacher See connection. ...@FrankN<br /><br />Thanks. Like the Laacher See connection. I recently realized the Campanian Eruption may have much to do with the fact that Oase 1 hardly left any trace in Europe. I also realized that all Denisovan admixture as well as the recently discovered first AMH traces are west of the Toba eruption.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87046376993041867242016-10-11T10:21:37.161-07:002016-10-11T10:21:37.161-07:00@Epoch: "So in your model Ahrensburg is a mer...@Epoch: "<i>So in your model Ahrensburg is a merger between the El Miron cluster and the Villabruna cluster?</i>"<br /><br />I don't have a "model". I just note that several "traditional" views have come under recent criticism, and a lot of research is ongoing to clarify the relation of the various epi-paleolithic / early mesolithic groups. Fortunately, it looks FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91904309268659735992016-10-11T07:45:12.264-07:002016-10-11T07:45:12.264-07:00@FrankN
I always thought of Ahrensburg as continu...@FrankN<br /><br />I always thought of Ahrensburg as continuation of Magdalenian *via* Hamburgian. That is obviously a relic from the times that cultures were considered nothing more than periodic development transitions. So in your model Ahrensburg is a merger between the El Miron cluster and the Villabruna cluster? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45625507943084371852016-10-10T22:15:05.630-07:002016-10-10T22:15:05.630-07:00Thanks Frank! I might email you a draft summary of...Thanks Frank! I might email you a draft summary of what I've collated <br /><br />@ Dave<br /><br />What if you model MBA Armenia as BA Hungary (being a proxy for a Balkan , proto-Phrygian group). Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76649611121375896952016-10-10T12:27:57.447-07:002016-10-10T12:27:57.447-07:00@Onur: Thx for the info. I suspected both terms be...@Onur: Thx for the info. I suspected both terms being borrowed from a Centum IE source, just wasn't sure about the timing and the specific source language(s).<br /><br />@Rob: "<i>what relations / origins do you see form the late Magdalenian-Hamburgian- Ahresnburgian- Maglemosian sequences in Germany?</i>"<br />Good question! As I have grown up just some 5km away from the eponymous FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53653059718398646322016-10-10T07:25:00.373-07:002016-10-10T07:25:00.373-07:00@FrankN
The latter possibly reflects older IVC Su...@FrankN<br /><br /><i>The latter possibly reflects older IVC Substrate (c.f. Telugu Janapanāra, but Arab. qannab, Turk. kenevir)</i><br /><br />The Turkish word kenevir is a direct loan to Turkish from Greek, it comes from the Greek word kannavúrion, a medieval Greek form of ancient Greek kannabis (cannabis). The Arabic word qannab also comes from a medieval Greek form of the ancient Greek word Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33869394020341776112016-10-10T06:58:00.067-07:002016-10-10T06:58:00.067-07:00@Davidski
You should also use Cypriots in your an...@Davidski<br /><br />You should also use Cypriots in your analyses.<br /><br />By the way, if you want to see a population that represents the genetics of pre-Turkish Anatolia well except the easternmost parts such as eastern Pontus, I suggest you to use the Smyrnian Greek sample from the academic studies. Or if you have Greek individuals in your project of fully Anatolian Greek background, you Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53614191562023130802016-10-10T00:57:05.438-07:002016-10-10T00:57:05.438-07:00Nope, it's about the same as using the Bell Be...Nope, it's about the same as using the Bell Beakers.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53076953977916617722016-10-10T00:39:00.748-07:002016-10-10T00:39:00.748-07:00Thanks dave, what about using both sintashta and b...Thanks dave, what about using both sintashta and bellbeakers in qpadm for eba vs mba/lba? Does Mba/lba score any bb and fits gets better than compared to solely sintashta?MfAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01624738204767039283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39526622547575182016-10-10T00:15:58.189-07:002016-10-10T00:15:58.189-07:00Bell_Beaker_Germany produces decent qpAdm fits for...Bell_Beaker_Germany produces decent qpAdm fits for Armenia_MBA and LBA, with about the same ratios as Sintashta. But the fits aren't as good as those with Sintashta. So it's like a worse version of Sintashta in this respect.<br /><br />And it mostly can't compete with the steppe MLBA groups in these sorts of f4/D-stats. Maybe it has too much WHG/EEF ancestry?<br /><br />Yoruba Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89343528228085896182016-10-09T23:21:31.145-07:002016-10-09T23:21:31.145-07:00David can you try qpadm and dstats with using bell...David can you try qpadm and dstats with using bellbeakers instead of sintashta for armenia eba, mba, lbaMfAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01624738204767039283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57658496541151603442016-10-09T10:25:56.156-07:002016-10-09T10:25:56.156-07:00Against the theory expressed from Sergey Malyshev ...Against the theory expressed from Sergey Malyshev that R-Z2109/Y14512 (Western European) and R-Z2110 came from Eastern Europe and not the other way around I'd say that not only for the mutation in DYS534 from 15 to 14 in the Samara samples but also because R-Z2109/Y14512 Western European and R-Z2110 have also three rare (at least DYS441) mutations in the STRs in common<br />DYS441 shared Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48301740355265408862016-10-09T03:52:17.466-07:002016-10-09T03:52:17.466-07:00@ Antoni, please say Sergey Malyshev that what I s...@ Antoni, please say Sergey Malyshev that what I said, that the samples R-Z2109* from Samara were all KMS75 and had DYS534=14 from 15 that was the modal. All the Europeans have 15 or more, and also M9739 fron Arabia has the modal 15 and has nothing to do with Samara. It is a weird haplotype, separated from the others so long ago and we don't know how it came to Arabia and from where.<br />Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37021340315660883372016-10-09T03:21:41.373-07:002016-10-09T03:21:41.373-07:00Thanks Aram, let's hope he looks into it.
BTW...Thanks Aram, let's hope he looks into it.<br /><br />BTW I uploaded this to gedmatch<br /><br />M497255 RISE397 Armenia_LBA [1048-855 BC] T1a2 R1b-Z2103>Z2106>BY3296MfAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01624738204767039283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87527777988242991372016-10-09T01:41:03.049-07:002016-10-09T01:41:03.049-07:00Mfa
I asked Semargl here
http://forum.molgen.org/...Mfa<br /><br />I asked Semargl here<br />http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,9129.345.htmlAramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29811805384198112702016-10-08T21:51:17.896-07:002016-10-08T21:51:17.896-07:00Well as for extra EHG in Chl. In theory it shouldn...Well as for extra EHG in Chl. In theory it shouldn't be there in Early Neolithic Shulaveri. (I hope Olympos doesn't read this :) imho it came at late Neolithic /Chl.Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64523330559723406362016-10-08T21:48:03.992-07:002016-10-08T21:48:03.992-07:00Matt
Thanks for that summary. I also noticed that...Matt<br /><br />Thanks for that summary. I also noticed that Armenia Chl is shifted toward Anatolia Neolithic, but I don't think it reflects the Paleolithic rather the South Caucasus Neolithic (Shulaveri) which came from Northern Central parts of Fertile Croissant. And possibly had a similar makeup of Tepecik or Boncuklu samples. Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1909328540097861032016-10-08T18:36:30.141-07:002016-10-08T18:36:30.141-07:00FrankN
Thanks.
I meant that the "overall &qu...FrankN<br /><br />Thanks.<br />I meant that the "overall " make up of SEE was *more or less" established by Bronze Age, with little further movements from outside Europe.<br /><br />Of course later movements like Slavs made an impact, but that was within Europe changes. <br />I don't think Slavs "souhteasternized" , at least as far as the Balkans is concerned. Quite Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18447453159581665622016-10-08T18:19:54.377-07:002016-10-08T18:19:54.377-07:00@Rob: "The genetic makeup of SEE, too, was pr...@Rob: "<i>The genetic makeup of SEE, too, was probably established by the Bronze Age.</i>"<br />Not sure about this. One shouldn't underestimate the late IA/early Medieval in this respect. Goths, Heruli, Alans, Avars all relate to at leást the North Caucasian foothills, Slavic migrations should have "(south-)easternised" various areas between Copenhagen and Trieste; even FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86237161215351817122016-10-08T15:40:38.695-07:002016-10-08T15:40:38.695-07:00Breaking news : Max Planck ditch the Kurgan hypoth...<i>Breaking news : Max Planck ditch the Kurgan hypothesis</i><br /><br />Otherwise known as Johannes Krause puts foot in mouth and sucks hard.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61072729340644337932016-10-08T06:41:39.473-07:002016-10-08T06:41:39.473-07:00@ Antoni
"miałem cichą nadzieje że I0374 to ...@ Antoni<br /><br />"miałem cichą nadzieje że I0374 to przodek CTS9219. Ale jest inaczej tak jak mówił @Gioiello". <br /> <br />Antoni, also your name is Roman of likely Etruscan origin, so your R-CTS9219 descends from my R-Z2110 through Western European CTS7556 and Y5592.<br />As to these lines of Z2109 not only I have demnstrated that the Western European ones don't derive from Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43435466938434375142016-10-08T06:19:10.262-07:002016-10-08T06:19:10.262-07:00@ Antoni Małkowski
"To jest dla mnie zimny ku...@ Antoni Małkowski<br />"To jest dla mnie zimny kubeł wody. https://dna-explained.com/2016/07/31/jakob-lenz-1748-1821-vinedresser-52-ancestors-128/ miałem cichą nadzieje że I0374 to przodek CTS9219. Ale jest inaczej tak jak mówił @Gioiello". <br /><br />I thank you very much for this link. I receive Roberta Estes' posts, but I didn't read that. If I had suspected of the argumentGioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80779359700354449902016-10-08T04:36:32.501-07:002016-10-08T04:36:32.501-07:00@ Rob
I thank you for the link. Since now I'l...@ Rob<br /><br />I thank you for the link. Since now I'll put Dublin aside Stanford, Harvard etc. They are the same PhD-s.<br />But what does it demonstrate this map? That agriculture began firstly in Middle East. We did know that from so long. But their theory that R1b came from Middle East is false.<br />Not only I have demonstrated beyond any doubt that R-V88*, R-V88-M18, R-V88-V35 are Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75715446474965480742016-10-08T04:31:35.339-07:002016-10-08T04:31:35.339-07:00To jest dla mnie zimny kubeł wody. https://dna-exp...To jest dla mnie zimny kubeł wody. https://dna-explained.com/2016/07/31/jakob-lenz-1748-1821-vinedresser-52-ancestors-128/ miałem cichą nadzieje że I0374 to przodek CTS9219. Ale jest inaczej tak jak mówił @Gioiello.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com