tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post3939144114922377065..comments2024-03-28T11:48:42.197-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Ancient mitogenomes from Sardinia and Lebanon (Matisoo-Smith et al. 2018)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90791475090659878522018-08-07T07:36:37.914-07:002018-08-07T07:36:37.914-07:00How come no one who the Phoenicians are in detail?...How come no one who the Phoenicians are in detail?Husaynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672467651198537507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59165292793378233112018-01-25T15:22:48.860-08:002018-01-25T15:22:48.860-08:00@Philippe He might have a point, the ones in Sardi...@Philippe He might have a point, the ones in Sardinia were the first free standing stone statues in Europe:<br /><br />https://i.pinimg.com/originals/63/47/d7/6347d772b4934b96604e156533a1fc53.jpg<br /><br />While those in Malta, or at least the life sized ones, were attached to a wall: http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BNM77A/Theasparagushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01922308779454100850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78279013198500964552018-01-25T06:03:52.220-08:002018-01-25T06:03:52.220-08:00I remember a recent study which showed that he inh...I remember a recent study which showed that he inhabitants of every area of the island had extremely similar aDNA with only very minor differences, but maybe I'm mistaken.Theasparagushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01922308779454100850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52671086928773599482018-01-25T05:22:07.051-08:002018-01-25T05:22:07.051-08:00From memory, some Sardinians are almost like mainl...From memory, some Sardinians are almost like mainland Italians. There was a paper on this topic a little while ago, but I don't have the link on me.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64421777540553953412018-01-25T05:14:59.635-08:002018-01-25T05:14:59.635-08:00@Davidski
How close are Sardinians from the more ...@Davidski<br /><br />How close are Sardinians from the more populous regions of the island to Mainland Italians?<br /><br />I thought that Sardinians were pretty homogeneous and while the ones from the most populous regions were somewhat more distant from EEF than Ogliastran Sardinians they were still much closer to those inland Sardinians than to mainland Italians on average.Theasparagushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01922308779454100850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91201276413557478612018-01-25T04:52:59.244-08:002018-01-25T04:52:59.244-08:00@Theasparagus
OK, fair enough, I got swamps mixed...@Theasparagus<br /><br />OK, fair enough, I got swamps mixed up with mountains.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11119948254160994132018-01-25T04:41:09.675-08:002018-01-25T04:41:09.675-08:00Frank, what do you mean that this isn't what g...Frank, what do you mean that this isn't what genetic studies show?<br /><br />I was referring to South Western Sardinia, not to Central and Eastern Sardinia which are the places inhabited by the Sardinians who've preserved their Neolithic DNA the most.<br /><br />Davidski, the Sardinians who are the most similar to Neolithic Europeans are the ones in Ogliastra, which isn't really a Theasparagushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01922308779454100850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90419190639092523292018-01-25T02:26:57.821-08:002018-01-25T02:26:57.821-08:00Sardinians from the more remote, swampy areas are ...Sardinians from the more remote, swampy areas are very similar, although not identical, to Early European Farmers (EEF). <br /><br />But most Sardinians, those from the more populous areas, cluster more or less between them and mainland Italians. There is also low level Sub-Saharan ancestry in Sardinia, and it's probably of very recent origin from North Africa and/or the Levant.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50505749839935723732018-01-25T01:51:37.964-08:002018-01-25T01:51:37.964-08:00This is not what genetic studies show. In fact, wh...This is not what genetic studies show. In fact, what the genetic studies show is that the central Sardinians (especially ) are the most preserved and close to the Neolithic Europeans.Thomas Levelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05165277928834567511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61800243857450338342018-01-24T08:26:21.973-08:002018-01-24T08:26:21.973-08:00It is important to mention that the samples from S...It is important to mention that the samples from Sardinia belong to the Punic period (6th-3rd century bc), not to the Phoenician one( late 9th-early 6th century bc). Archaeologists always distinguish between these periods because during the Phoenician period it is clear from the material evidence that the Sardinians and the Phoenicians collaborated and coexisted peacefully in coastal settlements Theasparagushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01922308779454100850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39571330646971666282018-01-22T03:23:47.746-08:002018-01-22T03:23:47.746-08:00Nice, Sam, looking forward to that. I haven't ...Nice, Sam, looking forward to that. I haven't paid much attention to mtDNA personally so a nice compendium like that would be of interest to me too.<br /><br />On topic, it'd be interesting to have Sardinian autosomes from the period of Phoenician colonization up to the de facto end of Byzantine rule. Sardinians seem to have a small amount of "levantine" ancestry in some Alogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12311735856824330486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64332637195021645412018-01-15T12:25:16.331-08:002018-01-15T12:25:16.331-08:00Maybe U6 originated in Europe but I guarantee you ...Maybe U6 originated in Europe but I guarantee you its important expansions occurred in North Africa. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57725777712591630942018-01-15T05:52:14.516-08:002018-01-15T05:52:14.516-08:00@Samuel
U6 ? I thought U6 originated in Europe v...@Samuel <br /><br />U6 ? I thought U6 originated in Europe very early ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47939386594139570792018-01-14T14:16:29.416-08:002018-01-14T14:16:29.416-08:00"K1a & U3"
And U6. IMO, the basal U..."K1a & U3"<br /><br />And U6. IMO, the basal U subclades in the Middle East & India; U1, U3, U2, U7, definitly decend from their non-Basal ancestors just like U5 & U4 in Europe. U2 in India is an Iran Neolithic, ultimately ANE lineage. <br /><br />A lot else is possible. Maybe some non-U lineages as well like J & T.Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31771982944377681962018-01-14T14:13:23.558-08:002018-01-14T14:13:23.558-08:00@Anthro Survey,
"Just to clarify here, though...@Anthro Survey,<br />"Just to clarify here, though: You mean 'recent' European admixture, right?---not "European" admixture mediated by Villabruna-like HGs mixing with basal-heavy MEs 16-20KYA."<br /><br />Yes. My estimate for H1 is 9,000 years. My estimate for H1c is 6,000 years. My estimate for T2b is 8,000 years. Both H1 & T2b are EEF lineages. Both are really Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21934593218613482102018-01-14T13:16:51.914-08:002018-01-14T13:16:51.914-08:00@Simon_W (and aniasi)
Haha! That brings back memo...@Simon_W (and aniasi)<br /><br />Haha! That brings back memories from my Rome:Total War days. Not that I particularly cared for the Carthage faction much, or other Hellenistic-themed factions for that matter. Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77039072281191236382018-01-14T06:43:48.758-08:002018-01-14T06:43:48.758-08:00quotation from aniasi:
"chances are that toda...quotation from aniasi:<br />"chances are that today we would mistake Hannibal in full battle dress for a Greek Strategos"<br /><br />Quite right; Hannibal and company as envisaged by military artist Giuseppe Rava: https://jpst.it/19Hi8<br /><br />Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1911403343795313602018-01-14T05:22:21.263-08:002018-01-14T05:22:21.263-08:00@Sam
Good points and you beat me to them.
One q...@Sam<br /><br />Good points and you beat me to them.<br /><br /> One question:<br /><br />"The T2b3 and H1c in the Phoencians from Lebanon and U5b2c1 from the Phoencians in Morcco could definitely be coming from European admixture."<br /><br />Just to clarify here, though: You mean 'recent' European admixture, right?---not "European" admixture mediated by Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34914822555851172992018-01-14T05:16:44.302-08:002018-01-14T05:16:44.302-08:00@ Sam
Depends on the finding location I'd say...@ Sam<br /><br />Depends on the finding location I'd say. At that date southern Bavaria was still covered with Roman communities.Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54142870706228099722018-01-13T19:55:30.896-08:002018-01-13T19:55:30.896-08:00Loads of ancient mtDNA from Lithuania and Poland d...Loads of ancient mtDNA from Lithuania and Poland dating from Roman Iron age to 18th century.<br /><br />http://zbm.umed.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/obrona_ml/ML_phd.pdf<br /><br />I've just skimmed through the results. I do see some haplotypes I found in eastern Europe using modern mtDNA in the migration period data. But can't say anything about the data till I take a closer look. <br /Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62395155802435626502018-01-13T11:03:53.500-08:002018-01-13T11:03:53.500-08:00@ Samual Andrews,
...@ Samual Andrews,<br /> Thank you. I read that 23andMe has a chip test for mtDNA. Perhaps my husband’s subclade of H is not one of the common ones like H1 or H3. Thanks for your help.jvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283765275775165180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65146501537534530692018-01-13T10:58:04.466-08:002018-01-13T10:58:04.466-08:00@ Onur,
Thank you@ Onur, <br /> Thank youjvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283765275775165180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77254044640920272442018-01-13T08:40:14.448-08:002018-01-13T08:40:14.448-08:00@jv
FTDNA mtDNA full sequence test is the way to ...@jv<br /><br />FTDNA mtDNA full sequence test is the way to go for your husband or sister in law. Then you can submit the mtDNA full sequence raw data to Samuel, FTDNA mtDNA haplogroup project admins and James Lick for further analysis.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24838899187007725892018-01-13T08:05:26.226-08:002018-01-13T08:05:26.226-08:00@Kar_K,
Thanks. I was going to do that first but ...@Kar_K,<br /><br />Thanks. I was going to do that first but decided to do a blog post instead because I realized I don't have the tech skills to make graphics or have enough irrefutable evidence. I might try writing a paper eventually though. <br /><br />For now, all I am doing is a blog. I want it to be the place all the people online who are into European & Middle Eastern genetics will Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49438602364245987882018-01-13T07:17:45.789-08:002018-01-13T07:17:45.789-08:00Wonderful! Look forward to this! My sister in law ...Wonderful! Look forward to this! My sister in law tested with 23andMe. Apparently my husband is also mtDNA H with about 80% British Isles ancestry. Is there anyway to predict his subclade of H if I can get the raw data from my sister in law? FTDNA yDNA & mtDNA package deal is over $500 right now. jvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283765275775165180noreply@blogger.com