tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post3963557853011932837..comments2024-03-18T18:30:48.719-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: qpGraph open threadDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50122237366456550852017-06-19T16:01:54.965-07:002017-06-19T16:01:54.965-07:00In regards to australoid admixture in the paleolit...In regards to australoid admixture in the paleolithic Europe. This study clearly says that the oldest WHG sample from Iberia had genetic component that peaks in South India which is obviously ASI and from other studies we know older paleolithic genomes had more of it.<br />http://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(17)30559-6<br />Why it disappeared in later WHG samples is anyones Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32377938617709834972017-06-14T04:58:11.501-07:002017-06-14T04:58:11.501-07:00In the 2015 paper on West Eurasian mtDNA in India ...In the 2015 paper on West Eurasian mtDNA in India and Bangladesh, Andhra Pradesh has 6 x U2e1b samples. 5 of them are labelled "Tribe" and the other one "Middle Caste". The linguistic affiliation of all 6 is labelled "Dravidian".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57822485834426650122017-06-13T06:56:58.265-07:002017-06-13T06:56:58.265-07:00Three are tribal Dravidians. One is a Middle Caste...Three are tribal Dravidians. One is a Middle Caste Dravidian. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32946758807325092812017-06-13T05:41:07.174-07:002017-06-13T05:41:07.174-07:00@samuel andrews
Any idea what ethnicity the indivi...@samuel andrews<br />Any idea what ethnicity the individuals from andhra pradesh belong to ?Jijnasuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14851649346012458747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75149077979834654342017-06-12T23:03:53.291-07:002017-06-12T23:03:53.291-07:00I can search for mtDNA matches at the click of but...I can search for mtDNA matches at the click of button now. I'm currently dotting down ancient matches. <br /><br />The following match relates to the controversy over Steppe ancestry in South Asia. A U2e1b founder effect lineage in Andrah Predesh India belongs to the same very specific U2e1b subclade as a early Bronze age sample from England. As of far I've only found this U2e1b clade in Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58886264026129344972017-06-12T11:38:40.927-07:002017-06-12T11:38:40.927-07:00I for one will look forward to seeing that. I noti...I for one will look forward to seeing that. I noticed from your earlier work on the subject that it was very difficult to get the CHG "right" from the perspective of Basal Eurasian. It seemed they were "too low" along with other issues. I refer to http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/04/estimating-basal-eurasian-ancestry.html<br /><br />Feel free to shoot this scenario down if Mark Moore (Moderator)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17386056132530808723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75909606997477744032017-06-12T08:12:45.181-07:002017-06-12T08:12:45.181-07:00Finally figured out a model with CHG, EHG, Iran_Ch...Finally figured out a model with CHG, EHG, Iran_ChL, Kalash and Yamnaya. It looks pretty strong and all of the ancestry coefficients are basically what we've seen before elsewhere. I'll post it tomorrow in a new blog post.<br /><br />No idea yet if it works for South Asians other than the Kalash.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2133310037923867242017-06-12T07:48:47.879-07:002017-06-12T07:48:47.879-07:00Paleolithic Caucasus forager Satsurblia and the Ep...Paleolithic Caucasus forager Satsurblia and the Epipaleolithic Natufian foragers are the oldest samples with Basal Eurasian.<br /><br />So Basal Eurasian was widespread in the Near East and Caucasus already during the Paleolithic, but did not reach Europe, or at least the vast majority of Europe, until the Neolithic.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25781295657130430232017-06-12T07:21:06.611-07:002017-06-12T07:21:06.611-07:00Not a professional anthropologist here. I take it ...Not a professional anthropologist here. I take it that the pros on this board are rejecting the idea of Basal Eurasian in the samples that are more than 13K old? If not, what is the oldest genome which is confirmed to show it? Thanks.Mark Moore (Moderator)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17386056132530808723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1583600103187733572017-06-12T06:34:06.256-07:002017-06-12T06:34:06.256-07:00@ Davidski
Thanks! So it failed miserably.
But th...@ Davidski<br />Thanks! So it failed miserably.<br /><br />But the interesting part is that I can force this model to work with nMonte/4mix by creating DeepEast ghost (global 10):<br /><br />DeepEast,0.00628,-0.13924,0.04308,0.07007,0.01894,0.09968,0.07214,0.00162,-0.00241,-0.00261<br /><br />Population,Paniya,DeepEast,Satsurblia:SATP,Ulchi,D statistic<br />Austroasiatic_Santhal,Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59323887490491782072017-06-12T04:41:04.960-07:002017-06-12T04:41:04.960-07:00@Unknown
That's it. No more crap. I'll ju...@Unknown<br /><br />That's it. No more crap. I'll just delete it.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48479530673518382832017-06-12T03:50:24.138-07:002017-06-12T03:50:24.138-07:00Wow. I was waiting for the uninformed to start pos...Wow. I was waiting for the uninformed to start posting on this one.<br /><br />But seriously. Just read the papers closely. Then you can start some really dumb, but long lasting, discussions. Once you know what to even say in order to argue.Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4806120478731440412017-06-11T18:11:56.810-07:002017-06-11T18:11:56.810-07:00@Piranha
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8XSV9H...@Piranha<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8XSV9HEoqpFalRJWWpYdzVnQk0/view?usp=sharingDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68940727244183405002017-06-11T17:52:08.716-07:002017-06-11T17:52:08.716-07:00@Unknown
Quit posting nonsense in this thread.@Unknown<br /><br />Quit posting nonsense in this thread.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74334353668367381022017-06-11T17:29:45.761-07:002017-06-11T17:29:45.761-07:00Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talkin...Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. Go read the paper on Ice Age Europe. I don't have time to explain all this.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-562573012539263262017-06-11T16:51:48.942-07:002017-06-11T16:51:48.942-07:00>last two comments are incorrect. No Basal Eura...<br />>last two comments are incorrect. No Basal Eurasian in the UP and they have less affinity to the Near East. There's also no Papuan. Admixture is not to be trusted. UP Euros have more archaic and are less related to other clusters that get pulled at various k levels, so they get dubious results. Also, the reason that Basal may pop up in UP involved graphs is also the extra archaic Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63884451119495556332017-06-11T16:08:50.907-07:002017-06-11T16:08:50.907-07:00^^ last two comments are incorrect. No Basal Euras...^^ last two comments are incorrect. No Basal Eurasian in the UP and they have less affinity to the Near East. There's also no Papuan. Admixture is not to be trusted. UP Euros have more archaic and are less related to other clusters that get pulled at various k levels, so they get dubious results. Also, the reason that Basal may pop up in UP involved graphs is also the extra archaic ancestry Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90659664176236535222017-06-11T15:56:46.445-07:002017-06-11T15:56:46.445-07:00>Mongoloid shifted? What are you talking about?...>Mongoloid shifted? What are you talking about? You might want to re-examine that tree.<br /><br />Commented on:<br />>East Asian root into ANE, Natufians, and Iran EN. It probably can use more tinkering, but it looks pretty solid. <br /><br />Natufian don't seem to have any East Asian admixture unlike all other West Eurasians.<br /><br />>Ha! So the Basal Eurasian in K14 is back on Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68297776081446824172017-06-11T15:07:36.851-07:002017-06-11T15:07:36.851-07:00Can someone create qpAdm/qpGraph by cherry-pickin...Can someone create qpAdm/qpGraph by cherry-picking from the following samples, to get an alternate graph >3 and excluding an OoA Eastern route ?<br /> <br /> Homo heidelbergensis <br /> Graecopithicus freybergi<br /> Neaderthal<br /> Jebel Irhoud<br /> Denisovan<br /> Oase1<br /> Ostuni1<br /> Grotta Paglicci<br /> Villabruna<br /><br /> <br /> ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00239954589937094679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45058582954339744582017-06-11T15:02:55.648-07:002017-06-11T15:02:55.648-07:00I should say, look at the tree before commenting o...I should say, look at the tree before commenting on it. There's no East Asian in Natufians. I can get minor East Asian in Iran via ANE.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88031864030546721332017-06-11T15:00:52.442-07:002017-06-11T15:00:52.442-07:00Mongoloid shifted? What are you talking about? You...Mongoloid shifted? What are you talking about? You might want to re-examine that tree.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10221225024204413652017-06-11T14:47:25.334-07:002017-06-11T14:47:25.334-07:00>I will shortly. Gotta make my bacon, eggs, and...>I will shortly. Gotta make my bacon, eggs, and corned beef hash first. I've got a massive tree to share too. It has WHG, East Asian root into ANE, Natufians, and Iran EN. It probably can use more tinkering, but it looks pretty solid. <br /><br />Are you sure about Natufians? They and Anatolian Famers don't seem to be mongoloid shifted unlike all the other mesolithic, neolithic and Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52184183877963335052017-06-11T14:38:25.153-07:002017-06-11T14:38:25.153-07:00Could someone try to model this admixture with Oas...Could someone try to model this admixture with Oase1, Oase2, Ust'-Ishim, Kostenki14, Kostenki12 and Vestonice16 instead of Onge and Paniya?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37946385253984272942017-06-11T10:08:31.867-07:002017-06-11T10:08:31.867-07:00Matt,
Ballito Bay is probably necessary as there ...Matt,<br /><br />Ballito Bay is probably necessary as there are no stats from that making this tree. Adding and removing pops can drastically alter every admixture edge.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21998334423627703562017-06-11T09:58:44.884-07:002017-06-11T09:58:44.884-07:00I'll get to that. I've added CHG to the tr...I'll get to that. I've added CHG to the tree and tried EHG, but it is very complex. I'm working on adding Kostenki14 right now. I plan on tinkering with this most of the day, so, I'll post what works. <br />Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.com