tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post4182602045895384499..comments2024-03-19T00:15:33.844-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: A few mito genomes from Maikop (or Maykop)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32535034174905281072016-12-07T15:56:52.173-08:002016-12-07T15:56:52.173-08:00Do you read plain English? Try it, see how you go....Do you read plain English? Try it, see how you go.<br /><br /><a href="http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/big-deal-of-2016-territory-of-present.html" rel="nofollow">Big deal of 2016: the territory of present-day Iran cannot be the Indo-European homeland</a><br /><br />And then fuck off until the next big study on ancient steppe DNA comes out. I wanna see what you say when you see the Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56019536264848180292016-12-07T05:53:20.506-08:002016-12-07T05:53:20.506-08:00He's actually extremely reasonable in his ana...He's actually extremely reasonable in his analysis. I dont see where your coming from , in contrast.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11566494589399073241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77091921993510267812016-12-07T05:50:16.104-08:002016-12-07T05:50:16.104-08:00The prescence of iranian r1a derivatives in the st...The prescence of iranian r1a derivatives in the steppe is well established.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11566494589399073241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3224255652699869852016-12-07T05:04:16.299-08:002016-12-07T05:04:16.299-08:00Good stuff. Thanks for the link.Good stuff. Thanks for the link.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11566494589399073241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4279826499798374932016-08-20T08:49:30.690-07:002016-08-20T08:49:30.690-07:00Khvalynsk/Sredny Stog (R1b-Z2103 and R1a-YP1272 fo...<i>Khvalynsk/Sredny Stog (R1b-Z2103 and R1a-YP1272 folks) is just a first wave of migrants form the Iranian Plateau.</i><br /><br />This is bullshit. There was no migration from Iran to Eastern Europe.<br /><br />You don't understand this because you don't understand any of the ancient data we have. It's like I'm having a debate with a child.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26020353256802680532016-08-20T06:57:22.414-07:002016-08-20T06:57:22.414-07:00@Davidski
Khvalynsk/Sredny Stog (R1b-Z2103 and R1...@Davidski<br /><br />Khvalynsk/Sredny Stog (R1b-Z2103 and R1a-YP1272 folks) is just a first wave of migrants form the Iranian Plateau. The second wave (R1a-M417 folks) from Maikop culture ( Iranian Plateau -> Mesopotamia ->Northern Caucasus) pushed the first wave (R1b-Z2103 and R1a-YP1272 folks) away from circum-Pontic region.<br /><br />Something like this:<br /><br />Sredny Stog expansionAzarov Dmitryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11487587188902490486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35305854257829157922016-08-19T15:49:25.507-07:002016-08-19T15:49:25.507-07:00Azarov is a stupid troll. Totally out of touch wit...Azarov is a stupid troll. Totally out of touch with reality. And we already know where R1a is from.<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2015/11/the-khvalynsk-men.html<br /><br />Obviously you realize that Khvalynsk/Sredny Stog were thought of as Proto-Indo-European decades before the ancient genomes from Khvalynsk came in.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16515849404025914332016-08-19T12:09:37.963-07:002016-08-19T12:09:37.963-07:00I think R1a is coming from a Forest steppe populat...I think R1a is coming from a Forest steppe population but Azarov makes some excellent points.<br />Calm down boys! No need for expletives.<br /><br />Sherrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06835251797539973864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6888959287125178022016-08-18T04:02:48.223-07:002016-08-18T04:02:48.223-07:00I noticed that Maikop mtDNA U8b1a2 has been detect...I noticed that Maikop mtDNA U8b1a2 has been detected also in one Kabardian:<br />Supplementary Data 1, http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543#s1<br /><br />This is interesting because Northwest Caucasian languages have probably been spoken in the same area where Maikop Culture existed in prehistorical times.Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38583657741120216322016-08-17T15:12:15.233-07:002016-08-17T15:12:15.233-07:00There's no evidence of any migrations from Ira...There's no evidence of any migrations from Iran to Eastern Europe.<br /><br />Your maps are based on pure speculation and in fact contradict the available evidence.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74712927896721012122016-08-17T10:56:02.190-07:002016-08-17T10:56:02.190-07:00@Davidski
It's obviously total bullshit, since...@Davidski<br />It's obviously total bullshit, since ancient R1a has already been recovered from Eastern European foragers and an early pastoralist (Khvalynsk man) with an extremely high level of Eastern European forager admixture.<br /><br /><br />For a while results of aDNA from Eastern Europe (Neolithic and Early Bronze Age) did not show any significant variance of R1a subclades. This fact Azarov Dmitryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11487587188902490486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86539722531628166422016-08-17T10:50:52.804-07:002016-08-17T10:50:52.804-07:00The author of that study must have found out by no...The author of that study must have found out by now what it costs to reach the wrong conclusions hasn't she?<br />Lol.Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86894766945733874172016-08-17T05:28:27.355-07:002016-08-17T05:28:27.355-07:00@Kristiina
Thanks for the details. It makes more ...@Kristiina<br /><br />Thanks for <a href="http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/a-few-mito-genomes-from-maikop.html?showComment=1471356451567#c7223478388508459523" rel="nofollow">the details</a>. It makes more sense now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88010128779440954122016-08-17T04:20:52.595-07:002016-08-17T04:20:52.595-07:00@FrankN
Found it. Apparently you can download it f...@FrankN<br />Found it. Apparently you can download it for free.<br />https://archive-ouverte.unige.ch/unige:12933Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76664752799385871222016-08-17T04:11:38.667-07:002016-08-17T04:11:38.667-07:00@FrankN
Will chase that study from the Geneva Univ...@FrankN<br />Will chase that study from the Geneva University and post it here... <br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57916674027663558302016-08-16T21:21:51.014-07:002016-08-16T21:21:51.014-07:00OM: We seem to agree on two things:
1.) BB is an e...OM: We seem to agree on two things:<br />1.) BB is an essentially maritime phenomenon,<br />2.) 2800 BC (plus-minus) as a more or less ascertained starting point in Iberia (cf. Alberto's links under previous posts), which corresponds to the appearance of BB-like ceramics in the Netherlands and N. Germany (Lower Rhine / Elbe).<br /><br />I don't think there is much point in discussing who FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52265600382991777442016-08-16T21:17:20.632-07:002016-08-16T21:17:20.632-07:00It's obviously total bullshit, since ancient R...It's obviously total bullshit, since ancient R1a has already been recovered from Eastern European foragers and an early pastoralist (Khvalynsk man) with an extremely high level of Eastern European forager admixture.<br /><br />Corded Ware also have very high levels of Eastern European forager admixture.<br /><br />Obviously, Eastern European foragers didn't migrate to Eastern Europe Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68848049255581867482016-08-16T21:09:09.267-07:002016-08-16T21:09:09.267-07:00Azarov ,
Thank you for the suggestion, its no bull...Azarov ,<br />Thank you for the suggestion, its no bullshit. I will think about it .<br />Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74633296968925761902016-08-16T16:42:01.763-07:002016-08-16T16:42:01.763-07:00FrankN
Makes no sense.
a. Fact usually not “rememb...FrankN<br />Makes no sense.<br />a. Fact usually not “remembered”. To understand Bell beaker culture one must compute the fact that its intensity declines greatly as you MOVE AWAY from the sea coast. So, imagining an origin in central Europe in some river bed… makes no sense.<br />b. Finding beaker like pottery somewhere and infer from that makes no sense. Bell beaker come from “copos” in Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72190629146342093892016-08-16T16:17:28.277-07:002016-08-16T16:17:28.277-07:00The M52 seems to be the result of local men bringi...The M52 seems to be the result of local men bringing foreign wives during trading/travelling.<br />It has been found in Tocharian sites , again due to trade.<br /><br />@ David , Yamnaya/ North Caucasus EMBA is a better fit than Eastern European/ Corded Ware for South Asians according to the Lazardis paper. <br /><br />Sherrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06835251797539973864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85013895313495012212016-08-16T16:04:04.117-07:002016-08-16T16:04:04.117-07:00Edit: Somehow, I have been mixing up "upper&q...Edit: Somehow, I have been mixing up "upper" and "lower" when it comes to river basins. So:<br />- The Schönfeld culture, with early Bell beakers, was on the <b>lower</b> middle Elbe;<br />- Other early examples of BB-like vessels are from the <b>lower</b> Rhineland (Netherlands/Germany).FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44159378537412953342016-08-16T15:45:13.671-07:002016-08-16T15:45:13.671-07:00OM: Firstly, I feel that some coastal Iberian AMS ...OM: Firstly, I feel that some coastal Iberian AMS datings may require review as concerns possible reservoir effects.<br />More important, however, is the following:<br />a.) The "beaker" concept itself is of CE origin, and sets forth Funnelbeaker and CWC traditions of "we all drink from the same beaker";<br />a1.) More specifically, Northern German non-CWC cultures provide FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64859937196564570582016-08-16T14:23:59.475-07:002016-08-16T14:23:59.475-07:00@frankN
have you read what I comment to Rob? which...@frankN<br />have you read what I comment to Rob? which part do you contest?Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57449174892553515712016-08-16T14:22:30.179-07:002016-08-16T14:22:30.179-07:00@FrankN,
Doubting Bell beakers origin in North Por...@FrankN,<br />Doubting Bell beakers origin in North Portugal, at this days and age borders madness.<br /><br />If, with all the arch proofs (see for instance my coment above to ROB) one still doubts then what archaeological concept you consider validate? None?<br /><br /><br />Bell beaker arise in north portugal near the douro river, it moved to Galiza at the same time it moved to Tagus estuary. Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31382563762039262932016-08-16T13:43:37.830-07:002016-08-16T13:43:37.830-07:00@Azarov Dmitry
LOL bullshit@Azarov Dmitry<br /><br />LOL bullshitDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com