tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post4280810164530586220..comments2024-03-28T23:21:04.175-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Sintashta and Scythian horses came from HyperboreaDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18054597661411520882017-06-17T01:39:46.568-07:002017-06-17T01:39:46.568-07:00But all the propaganda that diversity is good. How...But all the propaganda that diversity is good. How can it cause harm?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60984777772873178652017-04-30T23:24:59.655-07:002017-04-30T23:24:59.655-07:00Grey,
Wheeled car-ts and wag-ons have been pulled...Grey,<br /><br />Wheeled car-ts and wag-ons have been pulled by oxen and horses, basically. At times by goat-bucks. <br /><br />Solid sliders – such as travois and sled-ges - are also used behind horses, while ligther, more sophisticated ski-sledges are found behind dogs and reindeers. Until the boreal farmers came about, using their cold-blod horses - or even elks - to pull lumber out of the batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37245353981094240802017-04-30T06:29:07.250-07:002017-04-30T06:29:07.250-07:00@Grey
Yes and the Travois could have been even mo...@Grey<br /><br />Yes and the Travois could have been even more effective within Muddy conditions of Europe. The Irish used the Travois into the early 1900s.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-92214291380217895252017-04-29T08:36:07.815-07:002017-04-29T08:36:07.815-07:00worth remembering imo that dogs etc were used to d...worth remembering imo that dogs etc were used to drag/pull loads before horses so wheels don't necessarily mean horses<br /><br />or even wheels initially<br /><br />http://www.voga.org/Dog_Sled_Trips.jpg<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82760609745209142122017-04-29T01:02:56.080-07:002017-04-29T01:02:56.080-07:00Concerning wheels, there's still no older know...Concerning wheels, there's still no older known example than the 5.150 yrs old chart-wheel of ash-wood from the Ljubjana marshes – among 6.000 years old mould for bronze-axes. (The worlds oldest known tin-bronze is found in the same region, dating 6.500 years back.) The oldest known oxcharts are depicted on 5.300+ yrs old pottery from Bronice, Poland – found together with remains of an batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50651243531306692482017-04-29T01:02:00.359-07:002017-04-29T01:02:00.359-07:00EastPole said;
"The wide use of domesticated...EastPole said;<br /><br />"The wide use of domesticated horses by many not-IE cultures from Botai in the east to Tripolye in the west makes it difficult to determine PIE by the use of horses only."<br /><br />Looking at the Eurasian north during the Holocene - from western Iberia to eastern Siberia - we find no more than TWO ancient language-families, i.e. I-E and Uralian. <br /><br />batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23817260930814515052017-04-28T21:28:42.872-07:002017-04-28T21:28:42.872-07:00If that's the case we will also get some more ...If that's the case we will also get some more Yamnaya aDNA., going to be a feast ! ...Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54932644678431059762017-04-28T21:25:01.401-07:002017-04-28T21:25:01.401-07:00The Behemoth is due very soon. So it might well be...The Behemoth is due very soon. So it might well be.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7295260367364255342017-04-28T21:23:20.127-07:002017-04-28T21:23:20.127-07:00The behemoth mate?>The behemoth mate?> Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84774300344022422482017-04-28T21:22:19.494-07:002017-04-28T21:22:19.494-07:00I don't know what's happening exactly. The...I don't know what's happening exactly. There are rumors of an "epic" ancient DNA paper coming this week, but the week is almost up.<br /><br />So maybe, just maybe, we'll see something soon after Reich's talk, perhaps at bioRxiv? Or not. Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65035051406248714252017-04-28T21:10:23.415-07:002017-04-28T21:10:23.415-07:00So that big aDNA paper coming today or what? :) .So that big aDNA paper coming today or what? :) .Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42125385897333275562017-04-28T16:05:19.246-07:002017-04-28T16:05:19.246-07:00The Scythian horses were from Altai and Tuva regio...The Scythian horses were from Altai and Tuva regions (Sintashta mare was bay, the Scythian stallions included one cream, two black, two spotted, four bay, and six chestnut). Sintashta mare and four Scythian stallions were MSTN heterozygous (causing muscular hyperthrophy).<br />The strong front limbs of these ancient Steppe horses must be associated with winter-pasture practice of tebenyovka (fromMOCKBAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150628026789690963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81809232243397349662017-04-28T10:31:01.635-07:002017-04-28T10:31:01.635-07:00So Scythians mostly liked Dun and Palamino coloure...So Scythians mostly liked Dun and Palamino coloured horses. Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66093798608355235232017-04-28T09:57:59.986-07:002017-04-28T09:57:59.986-07:00Interestingly the Scythian Horses show something S...Interestingly the Scythian Horses show something South German/Austrian about them. And most of those breeds with closer connection to the Scythian Horses are classified as Large Ponies or Small Horses...<br /><br />So did the Scythians trade with Celts in that area or did Germanic tribes pick up some Scythian Horses near the Baltic/Poland area and bring it to the Alps ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24657999108924462942017-04-28T09:41:24.733-07:002017-04-28T09:41:24.733-07:00Good news on the Russian Steppe for Przewalski'...Good news on the Russian Steppe for Przewalski's horses! http://www.rferl.org/a/endangered-horses-back-on-russian-steppe/27607786.htmljvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283765275775165180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12472698097856216282017-04-28T08:26:14.029-07:002017-04-28T08:26:14.029-07:00@Matt
Most of the early high Neanderthal levels a...@Matt<br /><br />Most of the early high Neanderthal levels are from 2 or 3 individuals that had very small, if any, direct input into modern populations.<br /><br />Most of the purge in the Crown Eurasian coding regions must have been very rapid, within a few generations, and the rest was just genetic dilution by groups lacking as much admixture.<br /><br />The sample size between 50,000 and Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31459881990208718462017-04-28T08:11:59.311-07:002017-04-28T08:11:59.311-07:00@Karl, actually I am a bit skeptical also. IRC Fu&...@Karl, actually I am a bit skeptical also. IRC Fu's study of Ice Age Europe found a reducing level not by Basal populations ancestry alone - http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v534/n7606/fig_tab/nature17993_SF1.html / https://hms.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/assets/News/2016/images/may/NeanderthalAncestry.jpg - but would be good to see retested without BEu populations and with BEu as a Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14318842514959418162017-04-28T06:48:04.205-07:002017-04-28T06:48:04.205-07:00@Garvan
"Basal Eurasian ancestry explains th...@Garvan<br /><br />"Basal Eurasian ancestry explains the reduced Neanderthal admixture in West Eurasians."<br /><br />http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v536/n7617/fig_tab/nature19310_F2.htmlKarl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10164243236645479222017-04-28T06:39:49.853-07:002017-04-28T06:39:49.853-07:00@Garvan
Here is a quote from John Hawks on the su...@Garvan<br /><br />Here is a quote from John Hawks on the subject:<br /><br />"Later analyses have made clear that our initial estimates of Neandertal ancestry in the Ötzi genome are overestimates. The source of the overestimation was sequencing and alignment errors in the ancient genomes."Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41487285254851430382017-04-28T06:34:37.327-07:002017-04-28T06:34:37.327-07:00@Garvan
The Iceman's Neanderthal levels have ...@Garvan<br /><br />The Iceman's Neanderthal levels have been re-examined several times, and it is rather a low level compared to other Eurasians.Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68809672855705960282017-04-28T05:50:06.363-07:002017-04-28T05:50:06.363-07:00Karl_K said...
"For the sapiens case, we kno...Karl_K said...<br /><br />"For the sapiens case, we know that there has been a major increase in Basal Eurasian ancestry in Eurasia in the last 10-15,000 years, and this component lacks archaic introgression."<br /><br />Are there any numbers to support this? I know Basal Eurasian ancestry increased, and archaic ancestry decreased, but I thought that the ice-man had higher archaic Garvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08917487267933584193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43083619943378049102017-04-28T05:06:10.850-07:002017-04-28T05:06:10.850-07:00Is the Arctic Horse the same as the previously pro...Is the Arctic Horse the same as the previously proposed robust Forest Horse ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46454324677847367032017-04-28T03:31:14.240-07:002017-04-28T03:31:14.240-07:00The wide use of domesticated horses by many not-IE...The wide use of domesticated horses by many not-IE cultures from Botai in the east to Tripolye in the west makes it difficult to determine PIE by the use of horses only.EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33274047616436856152017-04-28T01:34:47.203-07:002017-04-28T01:34:47.203-07:00I read that paper. It's mostly garbage. Seems ...I read that paper. It's mostly garbage. Seems like it's trying to make it out as if Indo-Aryan languages came to South Asia from Anatolia during the Neolithic. The authors are just making fools of themselves.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80171171246958595872017-04-28T01:21:56.735-07:002017-04-28T01:21:56.735-07:00Off-topic
42 Whole Genome and Y-chromosomal sequen...Off-topic<br />42 Whole Genome and Y-chromosomal sequences from diverse Indian tribal and non-tribal populations, including the Jarawa and Onge from the Andaman Islands:<br /><br />https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB11455: <br />Andamanese whole-genome sequences (BAM and FASTQ files)<br />https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB16019: <br />Continental Indian whole-genome sequences<br />REZAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06033913808771927160noreply@blogger.com