tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post4720812908777111936..comments2024-03-18T18:30:48.719-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Scythians and Sarmatians in the Global 10Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger117125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34156708621776300232017-03-08T01:11:46.410-08:002017-03-08T01:11:46.410-08:00@Davidski, thanks for Basal K7 outputs.
For anyon...@Davidski, thanks for Basal K7 outputs.<br /><br />For anyone interested, one thing I tried recently since I discovered Principal Coordinates Analysis was running the component Fst from Basal K7 through PCoA, which produces a nice set of 7 dimensional distances between them - http://i.imgur.com/EvBqtUk.png.<br /><br />Then you can project all the rows from the spreadsheet on to those dimensions, Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56075995110477380992017-03-07T22:06:00.832-08:002017-03-07T22:06:00.832-08:00I still believe that Ulchi-related type of ancestr...I still believe that Ulchi-related type of ancestry in Zelvakino and Pazyrk samples is overestimated. If I were you I would try to add DevilsGate genomes to the list of outgroup (right) populations in qpAdm.Project "Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae"https://www.blogger.com/profile/06764361071403376842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59250514510539464492017-03-07T19:44:44.780-08:002017-03-07T19:44:44.780-08:00Seven out of the eight new Scythian/Sarmatian samp...Seven out of the eight new Scythian/Sarmatian samples are now in the Basal-rich K7 spreadsheet.<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2016/07/sneak-peek-basal-eurasian-k7.htmlDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8719524305411677592017-03-07T06:11:23.631-08:002017-03-07T06:11:23.631-08:00ak2014b,
I was actually referring to historians/a...ak2014b,<br /><br />I was actually referring to historians/anthropologists, not geneticists.<br /><br />Speaking of historians/anthropologists (and taking a brief break from genetics), unfortunately, there is virtually no serious scholarly work on Pashtun history. <br /><br />Mainly, since Pashto has never been a language of "high culture", in sharp contrast to Persian. <br /><br />I Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71124918988842642692017-03-07T05:46:27.711-08:002017-03-07T05:46:27.711-08:00@Nirjhar
My count of the R1a subclades found in t...@Nirjhar<br /><br />My count of the R1a subclades found in the 5 South Asian 1000 Genomes groups, taken from the R1a tree in page 20 of the Supplementary Information of <a href="http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v48/n6/full/ng.3559.html" rel="nofollow">Poznik et al 2016</a>, <br /><br />BEB Bengalis from Bangladesh: 2 F992 (Z93), 5 L657 and 1 Y7, 1 Z2123 (9 R1a samples)<br />GIH Gujaratis in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78356851598505135662017-03-07T05:40:09.769-08:002017-03-07T05:40:09.769-08:00@ColdMountains,
The authors may have conflated th...@ColdMountains,<br /><br />The authors may have conflated the western Turkic Khazar Khaganate (Khazaria) with the eastern Turkic Khaganate. Or they might be suggesting backflow from west to east, to explain claims among some Pathans about having Jewish ancestry.<br /><br />The genetic signatures of both the eastern and western Khagans may have started off similar. <a href="https://Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25655167155188011982017-03-07T04:38:04.169-08:002017-03-07T04:38:04.169-08:00@ak2014b
Not few Pashtuns show signals of siberia...@ak2014b<br /><br />Not few Pashtuns show signals of siberian/east asian ancestry. Some of it is probably from recent intermixing with Hazara or Uzbeks but there is surely no connection with Khazars who never lived close to Afghanistan. Underhills conclusions were simply idiotic to be honest. Applying the same logic someone could say that Pashtuns got R1a from Slavs because both belong to Coldmountainshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18351446992955041786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16628717753991303092017-03-07T03:57:56.819-08:002017-03-07T03:57:56.819-08:00@Seinundzeit
"the notion of Pashtun linkages...@Seinundzeit<br /><br /><i>"the notion of Pashtun linkages with Scythians/Hepthalites/Kushans/etc is very old. In fact, it's been the standard opinion held by those handful of western scholars who've spilled ink on our historical roots."</i><br /><br />I'm more familiar with papers on modern Afghan DNA investigating the common claims of Greek ancestry and Jewish ancestry in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45455713806265574782017-03-07T02:41:56.898-08:002017-03-07T02:41:56.898-08:00@ Matt
Which software do you use for this runs?
...@ Matt<br /><br />Which software do you use for this runs?<br /><br />Also can you check how CWC behaves? But only those two:<br /><br />Corded_Ware_Germany:I1536<br />Corded_Ware_Germany:I1538<br /><br />Population,Corded_Ware_Germany:I1536,Iran_Chalcolithic:I1661,Okunevo:RISE515,Ulchi,D statistic<br />Sarmatian_Pokrovka:I0574,68,14,14,4,0.0039<br />Sarmatian_Pokrovka:I0575,78,9,7,6,0.0049<br />Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69715468065613430802017-03-07T01:11:50.546-08:002017-03-07T01:11:50.546-08:00@ Arza, using your set of Andronovo, Armenia_EBA, ...@ Arza, using your set of Andronovo, Armenia_EBA, Okunevo, Ulchi, and the general pop rather than individual:<br /><br />Sample,Andronovo,Armenia_EBA,Okunevo,Ulchi,Distance%<br />Sarmatian_Pokrovka:I0574,63.8,19,17,0,0.8717<br />Sarmatian_Pokrovka:I0575,74.25,14.45,11.3,0.7351<br />Scythian_AldyBel:I0576,25.95,37.6,35.5,0.5826<br />Scythian_AldyBel:I0577,46.45,7.6,33.9,12.05,0.6456<br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55439990039624187502017-03-07T00:58:50.158-08:002017-03-07T00:58:50.158-08:00@ryukendo
If you're searching for optimal sou...@ryukendo<br /><br />If you're searching for optimal sources for Scythian, you could try adding these one by one to the fit and checking if they improve it:<br />Even<br />Yakut<br />Yukaghir_Tundra<br /><br />Proto-Yukaghirs apparently originated closer to Baikal, and the other two have absorbed Paleosiberian substrates even if they didn't exist in their modern form back then.Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81440694972250914812017-03-07T00:50:15.094-08:002017-03-07T00:50:15.094-08:00@Matt
From my testing, restricting to 4 pops it w...@Matt<br /><br />From my testing, restricting to 4 pops it would probably be Andronovo, Yamnaya, Iran_ChL and Ulchi. Adding Itelmen as a 5th improves fits further, but it's not going to be much more informative.<br /><br />BTW, for the nMonte-like testing you might find useful a script I use but never released publicly (because newer versions of 4mix were said to be coming -but didn't, soAlbertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21074207861710676532017-03-07T00:45:42.576-08:002017-03-07T00:45:42.576-08:00Also from "Parallel ancient genomic transects...Also from "Parallel ancient genomic transects reveal complex population history of early European farmers" <i>We observed discrete signals of admixture in LB1 and KO1 via f3- and f4-statistics [29], and both fit best as admixed in the scaffold model, LB1 with ancestry from a deeper European hunter-gatherer lineage and <b>KO1 with a small proportion of FEF admixture (Supplementary Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42965021270542775692017-03-07T00:43:12.782-08:002017-03-07T00:43:12.782-08:00@Jaydeep, thanks. Have to read this later. Finding...@Jaydeep, thanks. Have to read this later. Findings that jump out<br /><br />- Looks like the Blatterhohle Cave groups who earlier were thought by researchers (Brandt?) to be an example of hunter-fisher HG living alongside farmers peacefully without sharing genes look genetically like a mixed Neolithic-WHG group, with 40-50% HG. (May have been sex biased if they were looking at mtdna?)<br /><br /Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88890352173819355272017-03-07T00:41:35.881-08:002017-03-07T00:41:35.881-08:00On Balterhohle R1b1..
"R1b1a1a2 showed
both d...On Balterhohle R1b1..<br />"R1b1a1a2 showed<br />both derived and ancestral alleles of characteristic SNPs."<br /><br />He's probably a relative of R1b1a1a2 M269.Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7506028511264259692017-03-07T00:38:09.819-08:002017-03-07T00:38:09.819-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00824502055247415801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86685522032870173142017-03-07T00:35:07.913-08:002017-03-07T00:35:07.913-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00824502055247415801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57144448161483571972017-03-07T00:30:16.643-08:002017-03-07T00:30:16.643-08:00Neolithic East Germany, Hungary, and Spain have be...Neolithic East Germany, Hungary, and Spain have been beaten to death with DNA testing. That's an amazing study but I wish they'd get Neolithic genomes from other locations like Ukraine and Romania and Serbia and Italy.<br /><br />The Neolithic Hunter Gatherers from Bl¨atterh¨ohl have Y DNA R1b1. One has yhG R1b1 and mHG U5b2a2 like me. Coincidence.<br /><br />Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77783187029990310792017-03-07T00:17:49.035-08:002017-03-07T00:17:49.035-08:00There is a new paper at Biorxiv
http://biorxiv.or...There is a new paper at Biorxiv<br /><br />http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/03/06/114488<br />Jaydeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01336330713605021262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56173531424635905802017-03-06T21:54:55.903-08:002017-03-06T21:54:55.903-08:00Population,Andronovo:RISE505,AfontovaGora3:I9050.d...Population,Andronovo:RISE505,AfontovaGora3:I9050.damage,Iran_Neolithic:I1945,Ulchi,D statistic<br />Sarmatian_Pokrovka:I0574,77,2,13,8,0.0084<br />Sarmatian_Pokrovka:I0575,84,0,9,7,0.0091<br />Scythian_AldyBel:I0576,35,14,0,51,0.0065<br />Scythian_AldyBel:I0577,60,9,4,27,0.0059<br />Scythian_Pazyryk:I0562,34,9,2,55,0.0061<br />Scythian_Pazyryk:I0563,22,9,4,65,0.0073<br />Scythian_Samara:Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49029656955829491842017-03-06T21:10:25.729-08:002017-03-06T21:10:25.729-08:00Population,Andronovo:RISE505,Armenia_EBA:I1633,Oku...Population,Andronovo:RISE505,Armenia_EBA:I1633,Okunevo:RISE516,Ulchi,D statistic<br />Sarmatian_Pokrovka:I0574,59,20,21,0,0.0065<br />Sarmatian_Pokrovka:I0575,69,15,16,0,0.0072<br />Scythian_AldyBel:I0576,30,0,31,39,0.0066<br />Scythian_AldyBel:I0577,49,6,29,16,0.005<br />Scythian_Pazyryk:I0562,28,3,23,46,0.0063<br />Scythian_Pazyryk:I0563,12,6,28,54,0.0068<br />Scythian_Samara:Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53222217521168314612017-03-06T21:05:19.205-08:002017-03-06T21:05:19.205-08:00Coldmountains,
A Hepthalite connection makes sens...Coldmountains,<br /><br />A Hepthalite connection makes sense.<br /><br />Nirjhar007,<br /><br />Sorry about that, I almost missed your comment about the Pakth connection.<br /><br />There is a paper out there, in which it is shown that the resemblance between Pakth and Pakhtun/Pakhto is a coincidence. <br /><br />Apparently, it's a etymological impossibility. Let me find the paper, then I&#Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15886582381454275152017-03-06T21:01:24.442-08:002017-03-06T21:01:24.442-08:00Using the Srubnaya_outlier leads to much better fi...Using the Srubnaya_outlier leads to much better fits, for the Sarmatians and western Scythians. <br /><br />They don't need any Yamnaya admixture, when that sample is in the mix.<br /><br />Scythian_Samara<br /><br />54.15% Srubnaya + 7.35% Srubnaya_outlier<br />26.45% Okunevo<br />12.05% Iran_Chalcolithic<br /><br />Distance=0.2085<br /><br />Sarmatian_Pokrovka:10575<br /><br />60.30% Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41447980313317937272017-03-06T20:48:08.499-08:002017-03-06T20:48:08.499-08:00Karl K
40% or even more of Chukchis belong to thi...Karl K<br /><br />40% or even more of Chukchis belong to this 2500 year old branch. <br />https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-B202/<br />The origins of this clade is probably somewhere in Wedt Siberia.<br /><br />So Chukchis having IE and maybe Uralic words is quite normal. Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16234456487873010312017-03-06T20:02:39.227-08:002017-03-06T20:02:39.227-08:00It depends on the words . I have found a few but ...It depends on the words . I have found a few but they are not much surprising , they mostly belong to the Eurasiatic - Nostratic type inheritance . Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.com