tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post5071277554968544113..comments2024-03-19T02:38:12.460-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Some strange stuff at bioRxiv latelyDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger97125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80053779842761470302017-08-03T03:28:37.258-07:002017-08-03T03:28:37.258-07:00Recent discoveries in palaeontology and archeology...Recent discoveries in palaeontology and archeology indicate the feasibility, and greater credibility, of an early Beringian migration, prior to the glacial closure of the overland route from the Arctic northwest to the inner continent of North America, 23,000 BP.<br /><br />Sub-glacial archaeological sites dated earlier than 14,000 BP like Monte Verde, Meadowcroft, and Topper most likely indicateJ Peregrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12230152780518638316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43044478665599632022017-07-14T00:14:45.255-07:002017-07-14T00:14:45.255-07:00Opened minded yes, but don't let your brains f...Opened minded yes, but don't let your brains fall out while your being " opened minded ".NKent805https://www.blogger.com/profile/06311041906627739245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-268904683688017992017-07-13T21:38:04.826-07:002017-07-13T21:38:04.826-07:00Yes, they also say they have been in the Americas ...Yes, they also say they have been in the Americas forever since the dawn of time, of they crossed the ocean on rainbows. Why pick and choose which myth or oral tradition we believe?' One more thing, the Paiutes never said that those people were giants, just cannibals with red hair, which could of been Red Ocher, or some type of dye.NKent805https://www.blogger.com/profile/06311041906627739245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7478871950802066142017-06-17T01:37:15.826-07:002017-06-17T01:37:15.826-07:00Very open minded as usual lolVery open minded as usual lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21222844826883825452017-05-10T10:39:51.123-07:002017-05-10T10:39:51.123-07:00@Gioiello
I looked at the ancient mtDNA types rep...@Gioiello<br /><br />I looked at the ancient mtDNA types reported by Olalde and Mathieson, and all X2 samples are from the Neolithic and the Bronze Age. This is not consistent with Shi Huang's prediction but is consistent with my prediction. Please check for yourself, as I may have missed something.<br /><br />Where's Tuscany again? <br /><br />:)German Dziebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10703679732205862495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7962122077612515232017-05-08T14:09:55.225-07:002017-05-08T14:09:55.225-07:00@Gioiello
I personally think that X2 disseminati...@Gioiello <br /><br />I personally think that X2 dissemination in Europe is really complex.<br /><br />I see that a very early variant--near the root of X2 could have entered europe either via North africa or through southern europe during the LGM.<br /><br />I think this early spread resulted in X2a/j ending up in Europe and early X2b'd in europe--Iberia to be precise. X2a goes extinct but Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09922322126268076554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60974533900174471182017-05-08T02:40:11.797-07:002017-05-08T02:40:11.797-07:00@ German Dziebel
After the paper of Sarac et al.,...@ German Dziebel<br /><br />After the paper of Sarac et al., Maternal genetic Heritage of Southeastern Europe, Reveals a New Croatian Isolate and Novel, Local Sub-Branching in the X2 Haplogroup, Annals of Human Genetics (2014), 78, 178-194, it is clear that Lombardi belongs to another subclade of the X2h haplogroup, being negative for the three subclades even though partially tested from 23andMe:Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33481009217341064732017-05-05T10:20:11.979-07:002017-05-05T10:20:11.979-07:00Looking at the Native American paper by Smith. It...Looking at the Native American paper by Smith. It is very thin based on samples with really low number of SNP's<br /><br />Would be better off looking at Marc1492 and Kennewick. Both show significant-non East asian/Native American ancestry.<br /><br />Marc1492 is 7% western eurasian--this may or may not be real<br /><br />Kennewick-very interesting genetic specimen. <br />Demonstrates ~20% Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09922322126268076554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53235512000708712622017-05-04T01:22:51.615-07:002017-05-04T01:22:51.615-07:00Of course also the word is from Latin and very lik...Of course also the word is from Latin and very likely is Italian surname Cipolla. ZWIEBEL, f. (Swiss zibele, Bav. zwifel, Thuring. zippel), 'onion, bulb,' from the equiv. MidHG. zwibolle, zibolle (with the variants zwippel, zwifel, zibel, zebulle), m. OHG. zwibollo, zwivolle, m. A corruption of Lat. caepulla, ' onion,' whence also the Rom. words, Ital. cipolla, Fr. ciboule ; Dan. Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42849322755512100712017-05-03T23:21:58.279-07:002017-05-03T23:21:58.279-07:00John Smith wrote,
"Do most branches of M fal...John Smith wrote,<br /><br />"Do most branches of M fall under a M0 which is akin to a R?"<br /><br />According to Supplementary Figure 14 of Sebastian Lippold, Hongyang Xu, Albert Ko, Mingkun Li, Gabriel Renaud, Anne Butthof, Roland Schröder, and Mark Stoneking, "Human paternal and maternal demographic histories: insights from high-resolution Y chromosome and mtDNA sequences"Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64827331296850017592017-05-03T23:06:32.052-07:002017-05-03T23:06:32.052-07:00Onion? Italy is plenty of Cipolla, Cipolli, Cipoll...Onion? Italy is plenty of Cipolla, Cipolli, Cipollini etc etcGioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85559205702843084622017-05-03T23:04:41.420-07:002017-05-03T23:04:41.420-07:00@ Simon_W
"@ Gioiello
You asked about Germ...@ Simon_W <br /><br />"@ Gioiello<br /><br />You asked about German's ethnicity, well, according to his own site he's of Baltic or Russian Askenazi descent, IIRC. The surname Dziebel is from dialectal German and maybe also Yiddish and means onion, hence I first thought it was a joke. But yes, it's in fact his real name - Jewish surnames are often quite peculiar".<br /><br />Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39433775044652879432017-05-03T22:57:29.409-07:002017-05-03T22:57:29.409-07:00@ Gioiello
You asked about German's ethnicity...@ Gioiello<br /><br />You asked about German's ethnicity, well, according to his own site he's of Baltic or Russian Askenazi descent, IIRC. The surname Dziebel is from dialectal German and maybe also Yiddish and means onion, hence I first thought it was a joke. But yes, it's in fact his real name - Jewish surnames are often quite peculiar. ;-)Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32410284276252915912017-05-03T22:52:11.488-07:002017-05-03T22:52:11.488-07:00@ Anthro Survey
To my understanding the various ...@ Anthro Survey<br /><br /><br />To my understanding the various 23andme ancestries don't go back very far. (BTW, I'm calling them ancestries rather than components, because they're not the same as ADMIXTURE components, due to the very different method.) The company aims at a time depth of about 500-600 years and filters out short (hence old) exotic segments that are placed inbetween Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12591879732549960482017-05-03T19:48:36.333-07:002017-05-03T19:48:36.333-07:00@ Anthro Survey
"@Gioiello:
How do we kno...@ Anthro Survey <br /> <br />"@Gioiello:<br /><br />How do we know Ashkenazis specifically had Tuscan ancestry and not from Po Valley? They are not such drastically different populations and sometimes, based on what I've seen from some Rumagnol's test results, identical. LOL<br /><br />Some cities in the valley were quite formative in European Jewish identity----take Mantua and its Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51366334680979893312017-05-03T15:45:44.118-07:002017-05-03T15:45:44.118-07:00@Gioiello:
How do we know Ashkenazis specifically...@Gioiello:<br /><br />How do we know Ashkenazis specifically had Tuscan ancestry and not from Po Valley? They are not such drastically different populations and sometimes, based on what I've seen from some Rumagnol's test results, identical. LOL<br /><br />Some cities in the valley were quite formative in European Jewish identity----take Mantua and its Rapoport family. <br /><br />If Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7014280607210704522017-05-03T15:24:02.696-07:002017-05-03T15:24:02.696-07:00@SimonW I meant "or*" not "and&quo...@SimonW I meant "or*" not "and" in my question. Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53266889258694181522017-05-03T15:23:03.516-07:002017-05-03T15:23:03.516-07:00@Simon:
How much of 23andMe's "northwest...@Simon:<br /><br />How much of 23andMe's "northwest Euro" component in Tuscany can be attributed to the first Kurgan-admixed migrants, to Bell Beakers, to later migrants from North Europe and to it simply just being a modal component in Western Europe due to very similar ancestral sub-populations?<br /><br />What can the centimorgan thresholds tells us about the timing involved?<br Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10097518801832981912017-05-03T15:00:09.072-07:002017-05-03T15:00:09.072-07:00Actually the mtdna tree will be updated and at lea...Actually the mtdna tree will be updated and at least some part of it is very likely to be incorrect. Haplogroup K for example was used to thought to be different than U but its a subclade of U8. I remember nearly a decade ago when IWX was thought to exist. I think there is nearly 100% chance that a small part of the mtdna tree is wrong and will be updated. And I know 100% chance that it will be Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04041180256724372370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59666363140978699062017-05-03T11:05:44.987-07:002017-05-03T11:05:44.987-07:00So it's their policy. But it was always like t...So it's their policy. But it was always like that???Lukaszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08133163538438260772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21469031313033055752017-05-03T11:04:54.028-07:002017-05-03T11:04:54.028-07:00From Biorxiv rules:)
"Articles are not peer-...From Biorxiv rules:)<br /><br />"<b>Articles are not peer-reviewed before being posted online</b>. No endorsement of their methods, assumptions, conclusions or scientific quality by Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory is implied by their appearance in bioRxiv.<br /><br />Articles are not typeset before being posted online. The author’s manuscript is either submitted as, or automatically converted Lukaszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08133163538438260772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78644119650697147862017-05-03T09:35:46.315-07:002017-05-03T09:35:46.315-07:00@Karl_K
"Germany has very strict laws agains...@Karl_K<br /><br />"Germany has very strict laws against revealing this kind of info for minors."<br /><br />Too bad, we don't have laws restricting Internet use for minors. But don't count on it. Grow up fast!German Dziebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10703679732205862495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12128328967030006282017-05-03T09:26:27.516-07:002017-05-03T09:26:27.516-07:00So you can't say what is orange and sounds lik...So you can't say what is orange and sounds like a parrot without knowing that my father is R-M697?Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69660092770639798642017-05-03T09:15:24.157-07:002017-05-03T09:15:24.157-07:00@ Karl_K
If a knew your R1b subclade I could answ...@ Karl_K<br /><br />If a knew your R1b subclade I could answer your question. The mt is certainly European.Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63605047564944561662017-05-03T09:09:54.995-07:002017-05-03T09:09:54.995-07:00@Gioiello
Don't worry. I am probably from a l...@Gioiello<br /><br />Don't worry. I am probably from a line of Italian Jews who mixed with a Western European population somewhere in Germany? Once we learn English, we are hilarious.<br /><br />What's orange and sounds like a parrot?<br />Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.com