tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post5088502351135826271..comments2024-03-29T04:00:27.058-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Maykop predictionDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75449022492339911142017-02-26T14:01:59.634-08:002017-02-26T14:01:59.634-08:00@Capra,
Neurology would be a long conversation. Bu...@Capra,<br />Neurology would be a long conversation. But cutting short - We analyze 28 living Bagvalins and we expect is change, drift...but find one sample dead 6,000 years ago, have resolution of 3 or 5x and make a world of inferences spanning thousands of years and thousands of miles.<br /><br />Simple. those 30 Bagvalins tested R1b, isolated for over 6500 years should be tested like crazy, Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34246858793653192362017-02-26T11:39:25.348-08:002017-02-26T11:39:25.348-08:00@OM
I have no idea what you are trying to get acr...@OM<br /><br />I have no idea what you are trying to get across with the neurology stuff. It is quite hard to tell what you are suggesting or arguing most of the time. <br /><br />Bagvalins are not that inbred, less than most Arabs even. In the K=7 analysis they are not too homogeneous, with lots of the yellow Tsezic component and a little of the blue component, kind of like Avars. These ones capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66989664681453833172017-02-26T02:54:39.064-08:002017-02-26T02:54:39.064-08:00@ur coron
As per dna Shulaveri cattle and sheep ca...@ur coron<br />As per dna Shulaveri cattle and sheep came from anatolia not local nor from sheeps in northern iran.<br /><br />Shulaveri grew spelt. Spelt was only seen at those days at vinca culture (not confirmed if earlier than shulaveri) in the balkans...so shulaveri not at all ubaid.<br /><br />Maybe so tie with Halaf. Maybe. Just maybe. And halaf were the first ones to be overtaken by ubaidOlympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76037727342478133782017-02-25T15:37:38.595-08:002017-02-25T15:37:38.595-08:00@davidski
Hi Davidski, archaeologically it is a fa...@davidski<br />Hi Davidski, archaeologically it is a fact that the Ubaid culture is the ancestor of the Kura Araxes(and also the older versions like the Leyla-Tepe and Shulaveri-Shomu cultures) culture. And the Kura Araxes people from the South Caucasus spread their culture(after the Chalcolithic) to North Caucasus, to form a basis of the Maikop Culture. And in time these people partly mixed withur coronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14928283616794123712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73974559897086838082017-02-25T13:15:35.873-08:002017-02-25T13:15:35.873-08:00@Capra,
It all correct. While dealing with unknown...@Capra,<br />It all correct. While dealing with unknown, specially with something in its infancy like adna, is no feat to <i>make error detection</i> by <i>Anterior cingulate cortex</i>...easy and no big feat.<br /><br />so, all I am saying is.<br />Dagestan is the reservoir of lots of "remains". Even lowland south dagestan, just miles, way are NOT the same stock as a few miles up hillOlympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33420875242710659072017-02-25T12:29:08.566-08:002017-02-25T12:29:08.566-08:00@OM:
Tindis (n=26) 0%, Ratlub (n=16) 0%, Akhvakh ...@OM:<br /><br />Tindis (n=26) 0%, Ratlub (n=16) 0%, Akhvakh (23) 4% R1b-M269. Bagvalals (n=38 pooled) 50% R1b.<br /><br />Modest sample sizes and isolated inbred populations = sample bias + drift. <br /><br />Dagestani speakers (pooled n=939) 12% R1b-M269. Ossetians (n=357) 7%. Iranic and Turkic Northeast Caucasians (n=187) 14%. Nakh (n=755) only 1%. Nogays (n=163) 10%. Mixed Northwest Caucasianscapra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19021574752120188362017-02-25T10:49:19.733-08:002017-02-25T10:49:19.733-08:00@Alberto,
Tsez, Hunzib, Hinnukh have one source. ...@Alberto,<br /><br />Tsez, Hunzib, Hinnukh have one source. - Akhvakh, Ratlub ,Tindal and <b>bagvalins</b> are a different populations (as per karafet and also this paper that links tindal to same pop as Bagvalins.)<br /><br />So, screw Tzez and family with their J1 dna- I am talking about Bagvalins (and probably their cousins Akhvakh, Ratlub and Tindis) that until someone shows different are a Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68133593522932037602017-02-25T10:34:10.017-08:002017-02-25T10:34:10.017-08:00@Aram.
And Karafet seems to have completly ignored...@Aram.<br />And Karafet seems to have completly ignored Bagvalins (n17) all along in their analysis. however she does find that Akhvakh, Ratlub and Tindal have a single origin. And Bagvalins (which until shown otherwise are ND that are 70% r1b of those n28 samples) are very close to them (mostly Tindal).<br /><br />Anyway, those highly isolated population (amongst the higest in the world), Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61120804883105736292017-02-25T10:02:31.279-08:002017-02-25T10:02:31.279-08:00@davidski
Then why north facing dagestan or north ...@davidski<br />Then why north facing dagestan or north caucasus has so litle of it (R1b)?<br /><br />It looks a clear case of "move along,nothing to see,nothing to see."Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65783760245289881602017-02-25T10:00:15.277-08:002017-02-25T10:00:15.277-08:00@ Aram
Can not find references in karafet to Bagva...@ Aram<br />Can not find references in karafet to Bagvalins Ydna. What i find in the suplements is that raw amount of pine green in admix that they (the ND) have and nobody else around for Thousands of km have. What does it mean?Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76806463958377143162017-02-25T09:16:08.504-08:002017-02-25T09:16:08.504-08:00Nah, sheep are way more intelligent than you, &quo...Nah, sheep are way more intelligent than you, "comrade")George Okromchedlishvilihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10084840993572421367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42587361663649411562017-02-25T06:41:39.901-08:002017-02-25T06:41:39.901-08:00George... Bbbbéééé!!!George... Bbbbéééé!!!Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28634479892427501712017-02-24T17:38:36.453-08:002017-02-24T17:38:36.453-08:00Bagwalians are a mighty 10 k (probably even less) ...Bagwalians are a mighty 10 k (probably even less) people group that has obvious recent founder effects skewing their results. You need to be a special kind of "genius" to make grand claims based on them<br />George Okromchedlishvilihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10084840993572421367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36059386415321008542017-02-24T13:56:46.976-08:002017-02-24T13:56:46.976-08:00Dagestan is also where herders with wagons from th...Dagestan is also where herders with wagons from the steppe passed through on their way to the Transcaucasus in the mid-3rd M BC according to Kohl. And the actual branch of Z2103 found in Samara Yamnaya can be found there. So it is very easy to explain Dagestani R1b under the steppe model. <br />capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45260546325838660282017-02-24T12:01:08.237-08:002017-02-24T12:01:08.237-08:00Eastern Europe is just north of Dagestan. You know...Eastern Europe is just north of Dagestan. You know, where hunter-gatherers with R1b roamed.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-92068696011345388602017-02-24T08:53:41.106-08:002017-02-24T08:53:41.106-08:00@Alberto
It does not change thehe basic premise. I...@Alberto<br />It does not change thehe basic premise. Is there a dagestan r1b population? If so where did they come from? <br /><br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18449614582245308672017-02-24T04:45:11.936-08:002017-02-24T04:45:11.936-08:00@Onur
Yes, that's right. Thanks for the corre...@Onur<br /><br />Yes, that's right. Thanks for the correction.Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47017843320491662172017-02-24T03:59:43.016-08:002017-02-24T03:59:43.016-08:00@Alberto
However, note that these populations are...@Alberto<br /><br /><i>However, note that these populations are very J2. And if it's proposed that they arrived c. 4500-4000 BC, then they fit the bill for what you call "Ophidians", not the SS. They only have 10 Bagvalin samples, 9 of them are J2-M267:<br /><br />http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5890-Highland-populations-of-Daghestan</i><br /><br />M267 is J1, not J2.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41616624414848266922017-02-24T03:44:14.264-08:002017-02-24T03:44:14.264-08:00@OM
Interesting paper, thanks.
It would be great...@OM<br /><br />Interesting <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284729231_Coevolution_of_genes_and_languages_and_high_levels_of_population_structure_among_the_highland_populations_of_Daghestan" rel="nofollow">paper</a>, thanks.<br /><br />It would be great to get some of those samples, especially from the most isolated populations (Tsez, Hunzib, Hinnukh) who seem to be like the Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57135574110227720762017-02-24T03:22:45.645-08:002017-02-24T03:22:45.645-08:00@aram
It does not preclude that Yunusbayev 2006 in...@aram<br />It does not preclude that Yunusbayev 2006 in 28 Bagvalal samples found 70% r1b. So how many Bagvalins did Karafet tested and how many were r1b?<br /><br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73148932332197216762017-02-24T03:07:31.738-08:002017-02-24T03:07:31.738-08:00@george...go sheep your goats. @george...go sheep your goats. Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34754476313441651092017-02-24T03:00:19.487-08:002017-02-24T03:00:19.487-08:00Sure, that's why I am considered resident clow...Sure, that's why I am considered resident clown here<br />Ops, that's youGeorge Okromchedlishvilihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10084840993572421367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8859481256296882392017-02-24T02:55:46.054-08:002017-02-24T02:55:46.054-08:00@george
None taken.
I also think you a low IQ Mor...@george<br />None taken. <br />I also think you a low IQ Moron. So, actually it shows on all that you write. Its not your fault. Its Dna, and not ancient one. Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53889477426483536232017-02-24T01:34:07.110-08:002017-02-24T01:34:07.110-08:00"Just to give some context - Bagvalal and Tin..."Just to give some context - Bagvalal and Tindi in Dagestan are over 60% r1b. Its just 120km away from say the heart of Shulaveri (50km from some of their populous sites) and always remembering the abstract of a 2015 paper - "Coevolution of genes and languages and high levels of population structure among the highland populations<br />of Daghestan""<br /><br />No offence, mateGeorge Okromchedlishvilihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10084840993572421367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39752883754705535152017-02-24T01:15:42.616-08:002017-02-24T01:15:42.616-08:00Davidski thanks.Davidski thanks.Al Bundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591147692142810564noreply@blogger.com