tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post5221721082369198150..comments2024-03-28T03:42:11.788-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: R1b-M269 in the Bronze Age LevantDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger184125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49650073831647317402023-10-03T21:46:08.407-07:002023-10-03T21:46:08.407-07:00Indo-Europeans did massively infiltrate Palestine ...Indo-Europeans did massively infiltrate Palestine during the bronze and iron ages. <br /><br />First of all, the Mitanni were ruled by an Indo-Aryan warrior elite, who worshipped the god Mitra. Eg Mithras. The Temple of Baal Brit was the temple of Mithras, Lord of the Covenant, where everyone in the area went to ratify agreements of any sort. His symbol was the rainbow. One thing Mitra did Dora Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15330034043641168434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22460825620931961752023-05-21T08:47:29.285-07:002023-05-21T08:47:29.285-07:00The Tel Shaddud clay coffin doesn't strike me ...The Tel Shaddud clay coffin doesn't strike me as a burial of a high class Egyptian stationed in Canaan. Where is the attempt at mummification, even a very basic one? Canaanites were fond of burying people with Egyptian scarabs. That's well known from the Jericho cemetery. That Tutankhamun was R1b was confirmed by publication in 2020 by Cairo. It's comforting to know his dynasty Latoledanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765472010643114715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87695309076487748972021-05-01T00:33:05.719-07:002021-05-01T00:33:05.719-07:00I read a news that was found in israel an ancient ...I read a news that was found in israel an ancient burial belonging to bronze age, and it's haplogroup was R1b, I'll show you below the context and link of the news. I have read also theories that possibly it could be the haplogroup of ancient israelites, and that Western European people would be the ancients lost tribes of Israel, and that haplogroups J1 and J2 would belong to those Jaime Pardo Polohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16376294859534463336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30294721250615580792019-06-19T01:02:01.602-07:002019-06-19T01:02:01.602-07:00Everything in the DNA results has its historical e...Everything in the DNA results has its historical explanation too. The Old Balkans - the Pelasgians, which are mentioned in the Old Testament as Pelistim, Philistines, established in the Levant at the end of the Bronze Age/ beginning of the Iron Age and founded five cities there. The names of these five settlements are Gath, Gaza, Ashkelon, Akron, Asdod. natsunoamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946553288506970769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47783709606552265792019-05-02T15:26:39.288-07:002019-05-02T15:26:39.288-07:00I2062 may be R1b. M269 itself returned no result ...I2062 may be R1b. M269 itself returned no result for that guy though. There are 2 SNPs not registered at ISOGG that may indicate that he is at least an R1b. I wasted the whole afternoon writing a C program to test it. If I refine my program I may be able to gather more SNPs and have a better picture of the phyllogenetic tree of that guy but I am too tired right now.Hectorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12971694159010797162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37182736988861794522019-04-27T17:54:26.448-07:002019-04-27T17:54:26.448-07:00@Andrzejewski
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019...@Andrzejewski<br /><br />https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/04/r1b-m269-in-bronze-age-levant.html?showComment=1556357364908#c1621500327241650911<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2343620055191928472019-04-27T16:03:33.868-07:002019-04-27T16:03:33.868-07:00What about the Philistines? Did they turn up being...What about the Philistines? Did they turn up being Minoans, Peloponnesus Pelasgians, Mycenaean Greeks or Luwian/Western Anatolian/Trojans?Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62243730984711470052019-04-27T15:58:14.915-07:002019-04-27T15:58:14.915-07:00Tracking five millennia of horse management with e...Tracking five millennia of horse management with extensive ancient genome time-series<br /><br />Horse domestication revolutionized warfare and accelerated travel, trade and the geographic expansion of languages. Here we present the largest DNA time-series for a non-human organism to date, including genome-scale data from 149 ancient animals and 129 ancient genomes (≥1-fold coverage), 87 of whichArzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87247796403550830562019-04-27T15:23:47.915-07:002019-04-27T15:23:47.915-07:00The biblical texts referring the Jebusites (Yəbusî...The biblical texts referring the Jebusites (Yəbusîm) are recounting semi-mythical legends. There is no way to know if they contain any authentic memories of the people who lived in Jerusalem before the Davidic dynasty. According to Genesis 10, they were Canaanites. There is a cuneiform text that refers to a West Semitic people in Syria with the same name. The oldest biblical texts along with the Labayuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890868350476424197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84555381989290424772019-04-27T14:08:40.241-07:002019-04-27T14:08:40.241-07:00Would the Jebusites be modeled as an offshoot of t...Would the Jebusites be modeled as an offshoot of the Mitanni kingdom or a pure Kura-Araxes immigrant population?Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16215003272416509112019-04-27T02:29:24.908-07:002019-04-27T02:29:24.908-07:00There should be Philistine samples from the cemete...There should be Philistine samples from the cemetery at Ashkelon soon, but nothing is published yet. Labayuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890868350476424197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56649773393335966332019-04-26T23:06:27.363-07:002019-04-26T23:06:27.363-07:00Do we already have Philistine samples? May some of...Do we already have Philistine samples? May some of the Jewish R1b subclades be part of an assimilated Philistine tribe?Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42111972455527589882019-04-25T06:38:20.344-07:002019-04-25T06:38:20.344-07:00EurDNA said...
"There seems to be an (over-)f...EurDNA said...<br />"There seems to be an (over-)fascination for ''Sea Peoples''. This term was invented by modern historians and there was no concerted groups by that name."<br /><br />They're a mystery - mysteries are interesting.<br /><br />#<br /><br />Labayu said..<br />"The term “sea peoples” is invented. Only the Ekwesh, Teresh, and Weshesh are clearly Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66336801444289240992019-04-25T02:40:56.748-07:002019-04-25T02:40:56.748-07:00Just an addition.
When we speak about Z2103 in Ne...Just an addition. <br />When we speak about Z2103 in Near East we must keep in mind that the stories of L584 and L277 might be very different from each other. It is the L584 that in most likelihood entered Near East via Daguestan - Azerbaijan after the Kura - Araxian period. And Hasanlu_Ia belongs to this branch.<br /><br />While the L277 moved to Near East in a different way and probably more Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69885746139841716382019-04-25T02:33:24.581-07:002019-04-25T02:33:24.581-07:00Even the Carthaginians called themselves "Can...Even the Carthaginians called themselves "Canaanites". Phoenicians were native, not intrusive to Semite territory. But like Labayu, I'm skeptical that the modern "sea peoples" concept represents a real phenomenon, although I'd like to know what the Philistines were doing there.Bob Floyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01863468406651284016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52750608919469396522019-04-25T02:23:43.610-07:002019-04-25T02:23:43.610-07:00Davidski
I don't really know where Hurrians c...Davidski<br /><br /><i>I don't really know where Hurrians came from, but it's generally accepted that they formed out of post-Kura-Araxes groups, no?</i><br /><br />Urartians are definitively post-KA, but Hurrian texts are quite old to call them post-KA.<br />The oldest known Hurrian tablet is found in Urkesh.<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urkesh<br />As far I know it was dated to ~Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21588702783978514292019-04-25T01:45:58.619-07:002019-04-25T01:45:58.619-07:00@epoch
It's somewhat a matter of perspective,...@epoch<br /><br />It's somewhat a matter of perspective, but I think what EurDNA said is essentially correct. The term “sea peoples” is invented. Only the Ekwesh, Teresh, and Weshesh are clearly referred to as being “of the sea”. The Denyen, Lukka, Peleset, and Tjeker are never referred to as being “of the sea”. The reading of the Sherden as being “of the sea” is disputed on grammatical Labayuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890868350476424197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76869469686334807182019-04-25T01:24:43.321-07:002019-04-25T01:24:43.321-07:00@EurDNA
"This term was invented by modern hi...@EurDNA<br /><br />"<i>This term was invented by modern historians and there was no concerted groups by that name.</i>"<br /><br />The term comes from Egyptian descriptions calling prisoners taken in Ramses III's campaign against them "People of the Sea". More then one Egyptian record describe a confederation called the "the Nine Bows", with names of these epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23539002525087154902019-04-25T00:56:35.683-07:002019-04-25T00:56:35.683-07:00Yeah, the Phoenicians referred to themselves as Ca...Yeah, the Phoenicians referred to themselves as Canaanites. Their language was pretty much the same as Biblical Hebrew. Phoenician is just the Greek name for them.Labayuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890868350476424197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9003758558923242802019-04-24T22:27:28.062-07:002019-04-24T22:27:28.062-07:00Ok. Um...Ok. Um...Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72881280790316745132019-04-24T22:05:47.591-07:002019-04-24T22:05:47.591-07:00@Sam
But we know that the Phoenicians were descen...@Sam<br /><br />But we know that the Phoenicians were descended from previous Levantine populations, and the "sea peoples" are universally thought to be intrusive for a reason.Bob Floyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01863468406651284016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25745519577218326002019-04-24T21:52:17.187-07:002019-04-24T21:52:17.187-07:00Maybe sea peoples were Phoecians. Phoecian Mediter...Maybe sea peoples were Phoecians. Phoecian Mediterranean empire emerged a few centuries after records of sea peoples.Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12208719358666880712019-04-24T21:42:48.328-07:002019-04-24T21:42:48.328-07:00@EurDNA
I think that the "sea people"&#...@EurDNA<br /><br />I think that the "sea people"'s coincidence with the bronze age collapse has blown their legend out of proportion.Bob Floyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01863468406651284016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45473607766324234112019-04-24T17:29:30.731-07:002019-04-24T17:29:30.731-07:00There seems to be an (over-)fascination for '&...There seems to be an (over-)fascination for ''Sea Peoples''. This term was invented by modern historians and there was no concerted groups by that name. In all likelihood, they were diverse groups of local Mediterranean origin which pragmatically raided during the Late Bronze Age crises. M.H. _82https://www.blogger.com/profile/04914628294379302353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35735041088631117582019-04-24T16:23:02.107-07:002019-04-24T16:23:02.107-07:00I'm not sure why there is such a concerted eff...I'm not sure why there is such a concerted effort to make R1b not Jewish. Even if they weren't the original "Semitic" speakers, there is a good chance there was M269 roaming around the area at the time of the formation of this group. Taking a look at the R1b Jewish project, there are also sizeable clusters of L584+ and L277+ among European Jews. These subclades are exceedingly AWoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14966600445259901063noreply@blogger.com