tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post5649589359324494440..comments2024-03-18T18:30:48.719-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: On the doorstep of IndiaDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger205125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41631714606278460902018-09-07T04:04:02.313-07:002018-09-07T04:04:02.313-07:00@Chandan
It seems unlikely that only around 1000 ...@Chandan<br /><br />It seems unlikely that only around 1000 R1a bearers from the steppes moved into India, considering the wide variety of R1a-Z93 and derived lineages all over India. See here...<br /><br /><a href="http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2013/05/south-asian-r1a-in-1000-genomes-project_15.html" rel="nofollow">South Asian R1a in the 1000 Genomes Project</a><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48059277913072260672018-09-07T03:49:27.978-07:002018-09-07T03:49:27.978-07:00Guys, The R1A1 thing is currently going the usual ...Guys, The R1A1 thing is currently going the usual rounds in India. Just how much was the population of the Steppe at the time and how many of those could have slipped into the Indian subcontinent? My belief is that not more than 1000 individuals might have crossed into the Indian Subcontinent... What do you say?Chandanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15304542247377521883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84635841925461042322018-04-28T10:48:45.071-07:002018-04-28T10:48:45.071-07:00Except for Dainik Jagran article which is naive an...Except for Dainik Jagran article which is naive and honest all other articles against India seems to be manipulative and written by legal like form which shows now they are on the retreat through Steppe.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17160507912251045331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33583582734557489602018-04-27T05:57:07.699-07:002018-04-27T05:57:07.699-07:00The very latest from Rai...hehe.
Indus Valley peo...The very latest from Rai...hehe.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.caravanmagazine.in/vantage/indus-valley-genetic-contribution-steppes-rakhigarhi" rel="nofollow">Indus Valley people did not have genetic contribution from the steppes: Head of Ancient DNA Lab testing Rakhigarhi samples</a><br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11516370190647187292018-04-25T02:15:02.949-07:002018-04-25T02:15:02.949-07:00Dr. Rai infoms ,to not take the Open Magazine int... <b>Dr. Rai infoms ,to not take the Open Magazine interview seriously, as the interviewer unfortunately didn't understand many crucial points of what was said to him .</b>. Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69943661658768166562018-04-23T16:46:55.701-07:002018-04-23T16:46:55.701-07:00let us not be biased, give true history to public,...let us not be biased, give true history to public, not a biased one.!!!!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139635028499295564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64337458878997317892018-04-23T16:00:44.386-07:002018-04-23T16:00:44.386-07:00Please quote sourcE from Veda if it is truePlease quote sourcE from Veda if it is trueAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139635028499295564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36330095841435117872018-04-21T07:49:41.438-07:002018-04-21T07:49:41.438-07:00@Rob and Anthro
So we can say that is possible, c...@Rob and Anthro<br /><br />So we can say that is possible, considering genetics archeology, burial customs to say that IE ideology and language can be the product of the interaction between european farmers and steppe people? <br /><br />What do you think by the way of Balanovsky paper, seems like a bombshell to me. old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53289661424167397752018-04-20T14:09:07.595-07:002018-04-20T14:09:07.595-07:00@Rob
"these phenomena appeared hundreds of y...@Rob<br /><br />"these phenomena appeared hundreds of years before Yamnaya"<br /><br />Exactly. Long before the 2500BC "Yamnaya event" we see reflected in BB DNA. That's why I envision an earlier, demographically insignificant egress from the Ukraine region. Together with Remedello-like EEFs, they would have laid the ideological groundwork in SW Europe that was to become Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3224346588932554882018-04-18T18:49:35.577-07:002018-04-18T18:49:35.577-07:00@ Anthro
Unlikey; these phenomena appeared hundred...@ Anthro<br />Unlikey; these phenomena appeared hundreds of years before Yamnaya , and the rest is already known from published scholars <br /><br />There’s also an obsession with KemiOba but it’s chronology is still debated- and is probably a local variant of Yamnaya horizon with no signs of expansion beyond its own territory Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22901260985039591492018-04-18T18:15:29.578-07:002018-04-18T18:15:29.578-07:00@Rob
Yeah, those precocious migrants, as you put ...@Rob<br /><br />Yeah, those precocious migrants, as you put it, don't seem to have left much of a legacy wrt to their CHG-related anestry outside of Greece maybe. So, it's a bit less likely, imo, considering an inland site(Mala Gruda had maritime connections) so far north w/more southerly sites in Bulgaria showing zilch Anatolia_Chl/BA affinity. <br /><br />The stelae people theory is Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44800761595828121982018-04-18T17:00:29.665-07:002018-04-18T17:00:29.665-07:00@ AnthroS
"We have two Vucedol samples at th...@ AnthroS<br /><br />"We have two Vucedol samples at the moment. One of them is just a straight-up Balkan EEF, while the other is....more interesting. Shows some kind of a CHG pull, but Aegean-Anatolian influence is neither likely from an archaeological standpoint(too early per Heyd) nor from current Balkan DNA evidence and nor from nMonte's models."<br /><br />In reality, the Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64173633977638549372018-04-18T06:23:18.600-07:002018-04-18T06:23:18.600-07:00@Aniasi
Looking at the diagram on your next post,...@Aniasi<br /><br /><i>Looking at the diagram on your next post, is it fair to say that Sarazm best represents the non-AASI components of the Indus Periphery, and might reflect its ancestry?</i><br /><br />I think so, but it's not perfect, so it can't be ancestral to the IVC population, because it's still a little too western compared the West Asian part of the Indus_Periphery Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30949601058069752262018-04-18T06:13:58.115-07:002018-04-18T06:13:58.115-07:00@Davidski
Understood! So both the pre-IA samplles...@Davidski<br /><br />Understood! So both the pre-IA samplles and Steppe-MLBA samples were hit by extra West Siberian!<br /><br />Looking at the diagram on your next post, is it fair to say that Sarazm best represents the non-AASI components of the Indus Periphery, and might reflect its ancestry?Aniasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07886802151041914832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81639640621496341802018-04-18T06:11:25.656-07:002018-04-18T06:11:25.656-07:00@aniasi
Yeah, Sarazm and Indus_Periphery have an ...@aniasi<br /><br />Yeah, Sarazm and Indus_Periphery have an extra dollop or two of West_Siberian_N-like ancestry over Iran_N.<br /><br />And like I already said, Indus_Periphery also has much less Anatolian-related input.<br /><br />So they're similar to Iran_N, but with a couple of key differences that would've been hard to appreciate without ancient DNA. Suffice to say that without Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11332303159322286392018-04-18T05:26:26.778-07:002018-04-18T05:26:26.778-07:00@Davidski
Big thanks for the chart in your new po...@Davidski<br /><br />Big thanks for the chart in your new post.<br /><br />Another question, maybe not the smartest, but how to Sarazm and Indus Periphery relate to ANE, West Siberian HG, and Iran-Neolithic? Is there additional ANE/West Siberian HG in Sarazm and the Indus Periphery, or are they more closely related to the Iran Neolithic samples we've used until now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30564376680417962792018-04-18T04:19:17.683-07:002018-04-18T04:19:17.683-07:00@aniasi
Yes, there are now Steppe_MLBA_West and S...@aniasi<br /><br />Yes, there are now Steppe_MLBA_West and Steppe_MLBA_East populations, instead of the one Steppe_MLBA. But both are very good proxies for the steppe ancestry in South Asians.<br /><br />The reason that Steppe_MLBA was formerly rejected as a proxy in this context was because we were missing samples with the correct type of West Asian ancestry that is found in South Asians, which Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41244493020899111502018-04-18T03:51:26.676-07:002018-04-18T03:51:26.676-07:00@Davidski and the Expers
I am not a bit confused ...@Davidski and the Expers<br /><br />I am not a bit confused over a few matters.<br /><br />So basically, if I am correct, there are now two Andronovo populations - East and West.<br /><br />Andronovo West has the Anatolian Farmer admixture, while Andronovo East was mixed with West Siberian Hunter Gatherer, another subset of ANE, correct? Previously all we had was Andronovo West, which was a poor Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35177054401813699852018-04-18T02:28:38.713-07:002018-04-18T02:28:38.713-07:00@Sam
Yeah, a chain of transmission looking someth...@Sam<br /><br />Yeah, a chain of transmission looking something like: Anatolia_Neolithic----Globular Amphora----Fatyanovo----Sintashta/Andronovo/etc.----Mansi. <br /><br />Mansi do have considerable Steppe_MLBA, right? We often tend to think of this ancestry just moving around the steppe zone or going south towards India/BMAC, but a considerable amount must have ventured north and penetrated deepAnthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53981376654652936692018-04-18T02:26:07.519-07:002018-04-18T02:26:07.519-07:00@ Samuel
It is more parsimonius to think that Man...@ Samuel<br /><br />It is more parsimonius to think that Mansis got their blond hair from Proto-Uralics that came from the Volga forest area.Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77924771816169214392018-04-18T02:20:48.011-07:002018-04-18T02:20:48.011-07:00@Anthro Survey,
"There were light haired indi...@Anthro Survey,<br />"There were light haired individuals back in Neolithic Anatolia, too, but since EEF colonization entailed bottleneck scenarios, it's easy to see how such traits could eventually become predominant in places like N. NE Europe."<br /><br />Here's an example of a Mansi child with blonde hair and the Asian eye-fold which is interesting. It could be argued they Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65122387616844867202018-04-18T02:13:52.683-07:002018-04-18T02:13:52.683-07:00Rob
This new Armenia Chl is interesting. I guess ...Rob<br /><br />This new Armenia Chl is interesting. I guess Leyla Tepe will score twice more northern ancestry than Areni. <br />Btw I checked U5b2a1b in Tepe Hissar. 2700 Bc. Looks like genuine. U5b2a1 was found both in WHG and EHG contexts. <br />Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59422118528598310852018-04-18T02:07:31.686-07:002018-04-18T02:07:31.686-07:00@Old Europe
What's also interesting is that p...@Old Europe<br /><br />What's also interesting is that particular Vucedol's affinity to Northern Italian EEFs as opp. to Baden, Sopot, etc. The importance of Remedello in Copper Age Europe can't be understated and it's easy to envision it, coupled with hypothetical Kemi Oba migrants, as a preliminary "cultural conditioner", to a Bronze Age Europe. Maybe this guy was an Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50727764748728979442018-04-18T01:53:57.831-07:002018-04-18T01:53:57.831-07:00@Old Europe
Well, I would place the urheimat some...@Old Europe<br /><br />Well, I would place the urheimat somewhere north of the black sea around Ukraine. Btw, how was your trip? Just not too sure if was originally associated with western EEFs or with Khalynians in the area. In general, the cardinal features we associate with IE-ness have a lot of "EEF/Western pull" to them like you've been point out. It's not a matter of "Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1992522239033072322018-04-18T00:53:51.503-07:002018-04-18T00:53:51.503-07:00Two possibilities regarding L657 and its conspicuo...Two possibilities regarding L657 and its conspicuous absence in Sintashta-Andronovo samples<br /><br />1)L657 was part of an earlier migration into Central Asia from the Ukraine region and it either entered India before 1500 BC or with the Andronovo wave. Supporting this is the fact that the Ukraine region has an M780 basal population today. Therefore the centre of diversification of this branch Archaeloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442251558517281095noreply@blogger.com