tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post5683623327643917748..comments2024-03-19T04:18:48.805-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Epic failDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger116125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7428025370494877832017-03-19T05:12:14.333-07:002017-03-19T05:12:14.333-07:00^hA! Ha! hA!
Villabruna came from a low latitude ...^hA! Ha! hA!<br /><br />Villabruna came from a low latitude geographic region. Oh! wait parts of India is in the tropics...sic..wink! wink.<br /><br />Villabruan, La brana, Loschbour, Neanderthal, some Africans, Melanesians ALL carry the ANCESTRAL alleles. SLC24A5, SLC45A2 and for hair texture EDAR.<br /><br />No. I am not an Afrocentrist. I am a realist. I may be called a "Melanesianist&xyymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12265976800220862500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54101834390443729432017-03-17T13:22:08.788-07:002017-03-17T13:22:08.788-07:00Only certain subclades of R1a and R1b are responsi...Only certain subclades of R1a and R1b are responsible for the formation of Indo-European. Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88108442946019830542017-03-17T13:19:22.550-07:002017-03-17T13:19:22.550-07:00Not all R1a people were Indo-Europeans and not all...Not all R1a people were Indo-Europeans and not all R1b people were Indo-Europeans. Even today there are R1a among Turkic speakers and R1b among Basque speakers.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42790286698142753062017-03-17T13:14:36.392-07:002017-03-17T13:14:36.392-07:00The Oldest R sofar was found within the Mal'ta...The Oldest R sofar was found within the Mal'ta Buret Culture in Southern Siberia. It was R* and was relatively close to the source in terms of age. It is not as old as the Aurignacians and was more contemporary with the later Gravettians. <br /><br />No amount of Screaming will change the facts or any informed persons mind as it stands right now. So keep those nickers dry and debate the issueRic Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64093426698571480482017-03-17T07:05:55.218-07:002017-03-17T07:05:55.218-07:00"We were surprised to find haplogroup R1b in ..."We were surprised to find haplogroup R1b in the 14,000-year-old <br />Villabruna individual from Italy. While the predominance of R1b in <br />western Europe today owes its origin to Bronze Age migrations from <br />the eastern European steppe9, its presence in Villabruna and in a <br />~7,000-year-old farmer from Iberia9 documents a deeper history of <br />this haplotype in more western War Lordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170292788911414015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31479429902077819482017-03-17T06:40:56.127-07:002017-03-17T06:40:56.127-07:00"Considering that R1b-L51 is a sister clade o..."Considering that R1b-L51 is a sister clade of R1b-GG400, it's only logical to think that it could have been one of the main Y-chromosome haplogroups associated with this event."<br /><br />Yet we have a R1b sample from Els Trocs in Spain dated to 3100 BC (Haak et al. 2015). We also have a sample of R1b from the Upper Paleolithic Italy dated to 12 000 BC (Fu et al., 2016). Dream on!War Lordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170292788911414015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78575135096794193352017-03-17T05:17:29.601-07:002017-03-17T05:17:29.601-07:00"the whole Yamnaya culture, which is predomin..."the whole Yamnaya culture, which is predominantly composed of R1a"<br /><br />Ok. Then please point me to the papers and/or raw data to support this claim. I am very excited to see it!<br /><br /><br />THE PEOPLE PICK UP SOME SAMPLES FROM THE MARGINAL REGION OF SAMARA AND YOU EXTRAPOLATE IT TO THE WHOLE YAMNAYA. DARK HAIR, DARK EYES... LOL. SO WHERE DO ALL THOSE FAIR-HAIRED, BLUE-EYED War Lordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170292788911414015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76483578710188281042017-03-16T21:03:59.406-07:002017-03-16T21:03:59.406-07:00Gioiello
I noticed that I was wrong. Deleted th...Gioiello <br /><br />I noticed that I was wrong. Deleted the post.Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27182007644150077302017-03-16T13:56:50.212-07:002017-03-16T13:56:50.212-07:00@ capra internetensis
Of course to be PF331, i.e. ...@ capra internetensis<br />Of course to be PF331, i.e. one of the oldest subclades of L23 (but one amongst all the others, only a tiny one) is important but doesn't demonstrate anything. I'd say that it is surprising more having found it in Italy than in Eastern Europe or elsewhere, because we know that some old subclades are above all in East Europe and Asia than in the West (but, again,Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30893449668409558102017-03-16T12:41:28.477-07:002017-03-16T12:41:28.477-07:00@Gioiello
There is also an Avar from the Estonian...@Gioiello<br /><br />There is also an Avar from the Estonian Biocentre Data who is L584-, L277-, Z2106-, and according to an old post by smal PF331+. He also mentioned a Baloch sharing this SNP. In FTDNA project we find PF331 cluster containing a man with unknown origin and a Saudi. But I understand that PF331 is recurrent, and I do not know what the latest findings are. Do you know if these are capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36459188487860631962017-03-16T12:31:20.541-07:002017-03-16T12:31:20.541-07:00@War Lord
"the whole Yamnaya culture, which ...@War Lord<br /><br />"the whole Yamnaya culture, which is predominantly composed of R1a"<br /><br />Ok. Then please point me to the papers and/or raw data to support this claim. I am very excited to see it!Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7372550102307874442017-03-16T11:36:50.983-07:002017-03-16T11:36:50.983-07:00@ Davidski
"Well either they're biased o...@ Davidski<br /><br />"Well either they're biased or they're a bunch of morons. <br /><br />Take your pick, but it has to be one of those two options, because it's all there in black and white."<br /><br />Neither. They are under a normal academic influence coming from two Russian (supported by some Western European scholars) sources: one is archaeologist Leo (Lev German Dziebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10703679732205862495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39655044899853608772017-03-16T09:13:42.547-07:002017-03-16T09:13:42.547-07:00"Well, as everyone here besides you knows ext..."Well, as everyone here besides you knows extremely well, this is not true at all."<br /><br />This suggests that you should leave this forum from time to time. War Lordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170292788911414015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74359345684822228582017-03-16T04:50:54.560-07:002017-03-16T04:50:54.560-07:00@War Lord
"Btw, the R1b samples from the Vol...@War Lord<br /><br />"Btw, the R1b samples from the Volga basin (Samara) belong to local Paleolithic aborigines. We cannot extrapolate these samples to the whole Yamnaya culture, which is predominantly composed of R1a. I do hope that everybody understands it."<br /><br />Well, as everyone here besides you knows extremely well, this is not true at all. This is very very far from a true Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47222796541379702792017-03-16T03:28:05.610-07:002017-03-16T03:28:05.610-07:00Peter Zohrab February 5 @ 3:40am
My ancestors hav...Peter Zohrab February 5 @ 3:40am <br />My ancestors have never been Maltese, but some passed through Malta and are buried there. http://zorabfamily.co.za/frantomb.html <br />N9165 Zohrab b Erevan, Armenia ca 1580 d New Julfa 1620 Armenia R-CTS4528 <br />14 24 15 10 10-14 12 12 12 13 13 30 16 9-10 11 11 24 14 19 27 15-15-17-17 11 11 19-23 15 15 16 17 36-39 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23-23Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10932366865319457102017-03-16T02:04:09.873-07:002017-03-16T02:04:09.873-07:00Of course Z2103Of course Z2103Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50403268787810638592017-03-16T02:02:45.479-07:002017-03-16T02:02:45.479-07:00@ Aram
These samples are Z2013 positive, and he is...@ Aram<br />These samples are Z2013 positive, and he is negative, thus I don't think you may be right. I have another solution: an Ossetian woman, Luba Tabulova, has some English ancestry in her autosome, and said me that there was in the Caucasus a mission of Scottish Christians who was closed from Soviet government. It is very likely that some R-L21 remained in Caucasian people of to-day. IGioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22094216891594296392017-03-16T00:22:20.066-07:002017-03-16T00:22:20.066-07:00There were no snps done in this paper. they just u...There were no snps done in this paper. they just used online predictors. As for Georgian m67 they are J-Z7671<br />https://yfull.com/tree/J-Z7671/<br /><br />The Laz percentage of L1b is also uncertain since many of haplotypes are alike and as i know they some of them were relatives.<br />And why would anyone associate kartvelian language to R1b when R1b is minority in Georgians and we dont even Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17509729285097584769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50788545133722932112017-03-15T22:02:12.235-07:002017-03-15T22:02:12.235-07:00Kjontendor001 said...
"Why would a team of Ru...Kjontendor001 said...<br />"Why would a team of Russians be biased against a steppe homeland ?"<br /><br />I'd imagine some people are hostile to the Aryan biker gang theory cos of how it was used in recent-ish history.<br /><br />Maybe Russians in particular?<br /><br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84780135725438466512017-03-15T12:46:09.098-07:002017-03-15T12:46:09.098-07:00Btw, the R1b samples from the Volga basin (Samara)...Btw, the R1b samples from the Volga basin (Samara) belong to local Paleolithic aborigines. We cannot extrapolate these samples to the whole Yamnaya culture, which is predominantly composed of R1a. I do hope that everybody understands it. War Lordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170292788911414015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20549240735113202082017-03-15T12:41:58.373-07:002017-03-15T12:41:58.373-07:00You should finally forget the silly age estimates ...You should finally forget the silly age estimates of R1b and face the fact that this Y haplogroup is of Aurignacian origin and survived in Western Europe for 40 000 years. Future studies will confirm it. Should we bet?War Lordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170292788911414015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34318730666726068232017-03-15T10:56:53.097-07:002017-03-15T10:56:53.097-07:00BTW there're a few P312 cases in Armenians and...BTW there're a few P312 cases in Armenians and Kurds. So it's not far fetched. Until the authors verifies it's indeed L51- i remain sceptical. MfAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01624738204767039283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90433477600685389372017-03-15T10:23:14.210-07:002017-03-15T10:23:14.210-07:00@ MfA
"@Gioiello Zebari is a great Kurdish t...@ MfA <br />"@Gioiello Zebari is a great Kurdish tribe, it's claimed their name comes from the ancient Subartu people".<br /><br />I found this haplotype on SMGF and put it on Ysearch. Fortunately, because SMGF is out now and all the data are lost. His haplotype is close to mine (R-L23-Z2110) but with DYS426=11 which is owned from the R-M269-PF7562 and with DYS452=28 instead of the Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52161970258299763292017-03-15T09:21:39.783-07:002017-03-15T09:21:39.783-07:00@Gioiello
Zebari is a great Kurdish tribe, it...@Gioiello <br /><br />Zebari is a great Kurdish tribe, it's claimed their name comes from the ancient Subartu people.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubartuMfAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01624738204767039283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47370749957191640862017-03-15T08:07:25.672-07:002017-03-15T08:07:25.672-07:00Well, the paper does not mention this L23(xZ2103)s...Well, the paper does not mention this L23(xZ2103)sample anywhere, it speaks only of two modern branches, and it is clear from the list of SNPs tested, the tree in figure 1, and identification in Table S3 that it is not tested for L51.<br /><br />It would be nice if they had tested for L51 and subclades, but I would rather they had tested for Z2106, L277, L584, etc. It is strange to sequence capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.com