tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post582243933238212408..comments2024-03-28T06:30:18.217-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Mitochondrial DNA from Maykop + Wolfgang Haak on Near Eastern-related ancestry in YamnayaDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger177125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29935469764940854822016-12-12T17:45:56.060-08:002016-12-12T17:45:56.060-08:00Holy shit, how do you still not get this.
No one ...Holy shit, how do you still not get this.<br /><br />No one from Iran migrated to the steppe during the Bronze Age.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62215784375345131612016-12-12T16:25:08.706-08:002016-12-12T16:25:08.706-08:00We have very little data from ancient DNA to estab...We have very little data from ancient DNA to establish a reliable picture of histoyr. However, what is unquestionably clear with ancient DNA, if it wasn't before, is that the Lower Caucuses and North West Iran had a large genetic and cultural influence on Steppe populations. blogmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834163614642737338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29670380524399518582016-12-08T04:27:41.373-08:002016-12-08T04:27:41.373-08:00No one gives a shit about ultra rare forms of R1b ...No one gives a shit about ultra rare forms of R1b or R1a.<br /><br />Welcome to 2016, almost 2017, where ancient DNA rules.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30646818305405616052016-12-08T04:20:45.334-08:002016-12-08T04:20:45.334-08:00Except ultra rare forms of early r1b exclusive to ...Except ultra rare forms of early r1b exclusive to iran.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11566494589399073241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50003038337303128282016-12-08T04:19:46.664-08:002016-12-08T04:19:46.664-08:00No r1a originated in iran.No r1a originated in iran.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11566494589399073241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38269242063511468202016-12-08T04:18:50.456-08:002016-12-08T04:18:50.456-08:00Agreed. The likely scenario is that the two group...Agreed. The likely scenario is that the two groups split from each other as populations migrated north through the caucauses. (The maykop is rooted in iran) Indian admixure probably occured later through trade in the maykop.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11566494589399073241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10197423832327309072016-12-08T04:14:30.713-08:002016-12-08T04:14:30.713-08:00The likely scenario is that the two groups split ...The likely scenario is that the two groups split from each other as populations migrated north through the caucauses. (The maykop is rooted in iran) Indian admixure probably occured later through trade in the maykop.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11566494589399073241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5847492145499765612015-11-10T18:14:10.044-08:002015-11-10T18:14:10.044-08:00@Batman:
The "shock" is about the fact ...@Batman:<br /><br />The "shock" is about the fact that north of the Obi-Irtish lake there was only a massive ice sheet. Nobody could live there, exactly the same they don't live in most of Greenland (outside of the coastal pockets) or in Antarctica. <br /><br />As for all the rest you say, you are talking of already at the end of the last glacial period, c. 12,000 years ago. You areMajuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90566411757920913142015-11-10T07:11:50.567-08:002015-11-10T07:11:50.567-08:00@ Maju:
"I'm shocked by your extreme &qu...@ Maju:<br /><br />"I'm shocked by your extreme "Hyperboreanism", really."<br /><br />What's the 'shock' actually all about? <br /><br />During the last 20 years there's been a series of discoveries from paleolithic Eurasia, of sites proving settlements from highly adapted, arctic humans - between 120.00 and 24.000 years ago. The sites are numerous and batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77867981679711601752015-11-05T12:13:11.616-08:002015-11-05T12:13:11.616-08:00@David:
"EHG came from the east, not from th...@David:<br /><br />"EHG came from the east, not from the south, because formal stats show a close relationship between EHG and Amerindians, as close as between MA1 and Amerindians".<br /><br />Not sure, I don't have all the data, but I do know that Ma1 is much closer to Native Americans than to Eastern Europeans. You may be partly right though.<br /><br />"... Central Asia was Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14968484779094866632015-11-05T07:19:21.523-08:002015-11-05T07:19:21.523-08:00@Nirj,
"Can you please give me your basal R1a...@Nirj,<br />"Can you please give me your basal R1a SNP list of Iran etc?. :)"<br /><br />http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5633-Basal-clades-of-hg-RKrefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47120957965461258072015-11-05T07:04:34.416-08:002015-11-05T07:04:34.416-08:00Davidski
"Europe was blocked off by massive ...Davidski<br /><br />"Europe was blocked off by massive lakes and glaciers."<br /><br />Were the mammoth whose bones show up in places like Britain different from the ones to the east of these lakes?<br /><br />If not then there was no barrier.<br /><br />And if herds of mammoth wandered east and west along those northern plains between Britain and America then I don't see why peopleGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41828248835477103482015-11-05T05:02:41.515-08:002015-11-05T05:02:41.515-08:00Gravettian extends no further east than the Kosten...Gravettian extends no further east than the Kostenki group. We've moved beyond the Eurocentric way of seeing Gravettian in Siberia or Solutrean in Americans. I'll post several papers later.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25100182258150159432015-11-05T03:39:19.178-08:002015-11-05T03:39:19.178-08:00Krefter,
Can you please give me your basal R1a SNP...Krefter,<br />Can you please give me your basal R1a SNP list of Iran etc?. :)Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15754301456302700692015-11-05T03:31:07.604-08:002015-11-05T03:31:07.604-08:00I have no IBS sharing stats for Afontova Gora, but...I have no IBS sharing stats for Afontova Gora, but I did notice something peculiar when looking at Samara_HG and Karelia_HG (from stats made by David a while back). Comparing 220 populations, normalizing in %, with Masai as the baseline (0%) and in both cases Estonian as the one with most sharing (100%), the difference with most populations are within the reasonable range (+/-5% or so), but a fewAlbertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57025425987563762802015-11-05T02:41:40.990-08:002015-11-05T02:41:40.990-08:00I guess that the South Caspian Mesolithic genomes ...I guess that the South Caspian Mesolithic genomes being sequenced by the Pinhasi team will give us some clue about this. Maybe indeed those samples are related to Near Eastern populations and not to ANE (it's just my speculation that they could be ANE based on peripheral evidence, but we should know soon).<br /><br />In Haak et al. they already speculated about why could EHG be equally close Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27784863687710957232015-11-05T01:38:22.398-08:002015-11-05T01:38:22.398-08:00You're not making any sense.
EHG came from th...You're not making any sense.<br /><br />EHG came from the east, not from the south, because formal stats show a close relationship between EHG and Amerindians, as close as between MA1 and Amerindians.<br /><br />So there aren't many options really, because Central Asia was not only arid and hostile, but blocked off from the Bering region by a series of massive frozen lakes running from Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67231515405644028852015-11-05T00:51:50.519-08:002015-11-05T00:51:50.519-08:00@davidski Haha. Land locked Siberia?
Actually I h...@davidski Haha. Land locked Siberia?<br /><br />Actually I have brought up the case of the caspian seals long ago in your blog. these are arctic animals who got stuck in the caspian.<br /><br />Its not just about having a water body. Not all water bodies are equal. shallow ice sheets cannot be compared to the Berring sea where there is an upwelling of nutrients. Animals like the Stellars sea cow postneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65975014317978386382015-11-04T23:43:12.650-08:002015-11-04T23:43:12.650-08:00@Rob: "I was replying to *Dave's* comment...@Rob: "I was replying to *Dave's* comment"...<br /><br />Maybe but you clearly wrote my nickname: "Maju". So I got confused.<br /><br />...<br /><br />@David: Your speculated E→W migration is based on which archaeological data? I dare say that none. Genetically speaking EHG people are way too similar to WHG ones (both contrast in PC1) vs West Asia particularly, i.e. both Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36735481453284265192015-11-04T22:17:32.411-08:002015-11-04T22:17:32.411-08:00If you mean the ANE part of EHG which admixed with...If you mean the ANE part of EHG which admixed with WHG, then yes, its certainly a reasonable explanation. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45168422412781936292015-11-04T22:00:07.111-08:002015-11-04T22:00:07.111-08:00It might well be the main reason for their diverge...It might well be the main reason for their divergence if their ancestors migrated west only after the waters receded and Eastern Europe became more habitable.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43423776405675649382015-11-04T20:53:12.408-08:002015-11-04T20:53:12.408-08:00Maju
I was replying to *Dave's* comment abou...Maju <br /><br />I was replying to *Dave's* comment about the giant lake separating EHG and WHG. I was merely stating the obvious fact that the giant lake is in fact east of our EHG samples (ie in Karelia and samara) - thus it is not the reason for their divergence. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90128636549365841652015-11-04T19:20:33.302-08:002015-11-04T19:20:33.302-08:00@Rob: West of Angara and Baikal, where Mal'ta ...@Rob: West of Angara and Baikal, where Mal'ta and Afontova lived. I think you're misreading what I said, right?Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52664795175745696272015-11-04T19:18:28.547-08:002015-11-04T19:18:28.547-08:00@Grey: the question is when exactly were those &qu...@Grey: the question is when exactly were those "herds of giant meat larders" in most of Siberia. The LGM was very harsh for all, even very adapted animals, and the Ice Age is not all equal: there was a pre-LGM period, a coldest and harshest LGM phase and a gradually warming post-LGM one, roughly speaking. <br /><br />My impression is that (1) there were hunters, notably in the southern Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42255832715819058982015-11-04T19:12:12.502-08:002015-11-04T19:12:12.502-08:00Maju
The Ob and Yansei are east of the Volga and ...Maju <br />The Ob and Yansei are east of the Volga and the Baltic . Have a look at the map again, or indeed , any map Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.com