tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post5871022501348407103..comments2024-03-19T02:38:12.460-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: The Bell Beaker Behemoth (Olalde et al. 2017 preprint)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger211125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85306520155670364692017-07-22T00:20:35.766-07:002017-07-22T00:20:35.766-07:00A Fascinating Paper and also a very interesting di...A Fascinating Paper and also a very interesting discussion.<br />Ian Andersons Album Home Eraticus particularly the opening Track Dogger Land might hold some clues to the close relationship to Dutch and British Peoples.<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwpuLsQX3ec<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland<br />My interest is less academic and more Literary. My New Novel Conquest of Dough<Longhaired bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058948463599151617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34494737662475684692017-05-16T18:26:20.697-07:002017-05-16T18:26:20.697-07:00@Gioiello,
I don't know from which direction t...@Gioiello,<br />I don't know from which direction the BB of France come. I was more interested in the return of the Mesolithic in Provence during the Late Neolithic characterized by I2a1b, like the Neolithic of the British Isles.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02272252711544391571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61412627159545965042017-05-16T17:30:24.951-07:002017-05-16T17:30:24.951-07:00@ Roy King
"Then the Bell beakers bring in R1...@ Roy King<br />"Then the Bell beakers bring in R1b. Fascinating stuff!"<br /><br />But coming from North or from South-East: i.e. Italy?Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33301707583640539172017-05-16T17:18:27.223-07:002017-05-16T17:18:27.223-07:00Finally, with all the new data, I've had a cha...Finally, with all the new data, I've had a chance to look at the Bell-Beaker paper. What I noticed, since my archaeological expertise is in Southern France, around Marseilles, was that I2a1b-M423 dominates the Late Neolithic of the region--samples from Martigues (a few km from Chateauneuf les Martigues, the fossil center for the Castelnovian epipaleolithic and Baume. Then the Bell beakers Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02272252711544391571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25411284783005312372017-05-13T04:50:06.075-07:002017-05-13T04:50:06.075-07:00@ Grey, y dna haplogroups in Iberia from EN throug...@ Grey, y dna haplogroups in Iberia from EN through to Bell Beaker - http://i.imgur.com/eSDQ6mb.png<br /><br />Data is from Olalde's supplement, which has gathered together all the NGS y-dna results. I'll probably do another version after Martiniano is properly resubmitted to bioRxiv with its supplements, to cover its mid-late Bronze Age.<br /><br />Comparing Beaker to Chalcolithic, <i>Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78576553049243964782017-05-12T09:57:16.934-07:002017-05-12T09:57:16.934-07:00Does anyone know if there's a comprehensive ve...Does anyone know if there's a comprehensive version of the ADMIXTURE runs available? They show a portion of it in the paper, but I don't see the full version anywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74266789863909641472017-05-12T08:36:59.771-07:002017-05-12T08:36:59.771-07:00@Simon_W
You must be an I2-M223 guy. 1 out of 9 B...@Simon_W<br /><br />You must be an I2-M223 guy. 1 out of 9 Bronze Age males was I2-M223 in Britain during this re-population event. I wouldn't exactly call this a rebound, although he does carry L1195 which suggests he was a local rather than immigrant from Germany's variant of I2-M223. I believe we have enough tangible evidence now to suggest I2-M223 spread with megalithism and to some AWoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14966600445259901063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47517778956851167462017-05-12T04:11:20.345-07:002017-05-12T04:11:20.345-07:00Grey,
Do you not even read the papers? There'...Grey,<br /><br />Do you not even read the papers? There's no connection between R1b and Iberian beakers.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76284919630310694642017-05-11T22:15:31.970-07:002017-05-11T22:15:31.970-07:00apols for spam - updated metal worker theory
1) n...apols for spam - updated metal worker theory<br /><br />1) native metals - soft metals (gold, silver, copper, tin) naturally occurring *in some places* on the ground or in rivers which don't need mining<br /><br />2) metallurgy 101 - heating found native soft metals in a camp fire and then hammering into simple shapes with a rock<br /><br />3) metallurgy 201 - mining and smelting (nb both Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57058275429243746402017-05-11T21:32:21.204-07:002017-05-11T21:32:21.204-07:00"Last call for pre-publication predictions.&q..."Last call for pre-publication predictions."<br /><br />BB originally from same source<br />- small group R1b via maritime route to iberia, merged with atlantic megalith culture(I2)<br />- larger group(s) R1b by land via danube-rhine or baltic-north sea routes<br /><br />1st group expanded out of Iberia first (including to parts of Britain/Ireland/Brittany with extractable resources or Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90091032279952221312017-05-11T21:31:12.870-07:002017-05-11T21:31:12.870-07:00@Anthro Survey
See genetiker's Y SNP calls fo...@Anthro Survey<br /><br />See genetiker's Y SNP calls for Motala genomes:<br />https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/y-snp-calls-for-the-motala-genomes/<br /><br /><br />Shockingly, it seems they weren't actually CTS10228 in Sweden 8000 years ago, but some distant relative like Loschbour was.<br /><br /><br />capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56698721352662039912017-05-11T21:24:20.488-07:002017-05-11T21:24:20.488-07:00P Piranha said...
"Ryukendo at Anthrogenica h...P Piranha said...<br />"Ryukendo at Anthrogenica has offered an interesting observation about impacts in SE Europe:"<br /><br />from the link<br /><br />"What is going on? Anyone have any ideas?"<br /><br />miners first, herders second?<br /><br />(miners only where metals are, herders only where cattle - rather than goats/sheep - were best suited)<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91361217761194458632017-05-11T20:22:26.273-07:002017-05-11T20:22:26.273-07:00Czertni Zarzar said...
"And what could be the...Czertni Zarzar said...<br />"And what could be the reasons for a 100% change Y-DNA with such a small overall ancestry change?"<br /><br />It would have to be something significant and Iberia as a whole isn't Atlantic coast cattle country.<br /><br />My guess is getting bronze swords first - which imo implies metal workers.<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28937803079125094192017-05-11T20:18:58.089-07:002017-05-11T20:18:58.089-07:00Ric Hern said...
"Bronze Age Maritime moveme...Ric Hern said...<br /><br />"Bronze Age Maritime movement could have put R1b anywhere in Britain and Ireland creating the illusion that I2a pushed them towards the West Earlier...."<br /><br />i don't know how accurate it is but this atlantic megalith map<br /><br />https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/71/69/3e/71693e5b7508ff77b1a722b03e1c3adc.jpg<br /><br />always looked to meGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-314616529005444662017-05-11T16:54:30.147-07:002017-05-11T16:54:30.147-07:00"I2a1b2a1 in Motala.....am I reading that cor..."I2a1b2a1 in Motala.....am I reading that correctly?" Yes. It's CTS10228 all right. I pointed this out on Anthrogenica, but an Yfull specialist suggested that they had this wrong because they used the old L147 indicator no longer viewed as reliable. His rebuttal, though, was not exactly conclusive... So we'll have to wait and see. In any case most of these Dmytrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08494390634041394412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12520407568154021222017-05-11T13:02:00.020-07:002017-05-11T13:02:00.020-07:00I2a1b2a1 in Motala.....am I reading that correctly...I2a1b2a1 in Motala.....am I reading that correctly? Isn't that the modal subclade found in Balkan countries w/a TMRCA of only ~2000 years? Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85889668862528216292017-05-11T10:55:28.686-07:002017-05-11T10:55:28.686-07:00"But in reality, you absolutely do NOT know y..."But in reality, you absolutely do NOT know your fathers line in 28 generations.<br /><br />And you sure as hell didn't before written language was around."<br /><br />Please stop talking out of you hine end. Anyone with a sane mind can easily learn and remember 28 names, by heart. <br /><br />There's still story-teller-traditions existing among the Bards of Ireland and batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80803288498644254762017-05-11T08:54:00.419-07:002017-05-11T08:54:00.419-07:00@Karl_K
"In my linguistic estimate, xyyman ...@Karl_K <br /><br />"In my linguistic estimate, xyyman is either just a troll from North-East Europe, or, smarter, but from a bigger city in North America."<br /><br />Whatever it is, he stop "SMH". It seems to do damage.<br /><br />On a more serious note, I wouldn't say that non-literate peoples don't know their forefathers. Take a look at Germanic nobles: The Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39495493785575199892017-05-11T07:43:39.924-07:002017-05-11T07:43:39.924-07:00According to ISSOG the following samples would be ...According to ISSOG the following samples would be L2. It is right? Thank you<br /><br />BB_Central_Europe BB_Germany_BAV E09569 R1b1a1a2a1a2b1<br />BB_Central_Europe BB_Germany_BAV I3589 R1b1a1a2a1a2b1<br />BB_Central_Europe BB_Hungary_HUN I2365 R1b1a1a2a1a2b1<br />BB_Central_Europe NA I3597 R1b1a1a2a1a2b1<br />BB_Southern_France BB_France_AHP I3875 R1b1a1a2a1a2b1<br /><br />Regards!<br /><br />Ravaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261269940509224233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25430273891764070542017-05-11T07:28:52.554-07:002017-05-11T07:28:52.554-07:00Thanks David for the spreadsheet. 2 "new"...Thanks David for the spreadsheet. 2 "new" mtDNA H6 samples from the Beaker paper! BBC Oostwoud-Tuithoorn West Frisia Netherlands 1883-1665 BCE female? Then, MBA(1442-1273 BCE) Scotland male mtDNA H6a1b2 and yDNA I2a2a1a1a1. (but I believe the Southeastern European paper contained no H6) Thanks again!jvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283765275775165180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44930557818256138722017-05-11T07:20:57.608-07:002017-05-11T07:20:57.608-07:00@batman
In a sense... yes.
But in reality, you a...@batman<br /><br />In a sense... yes.<br /><br />But in reality, you absolutely do NOT know your fathers line in 28 generations.<br /><br />And you sure as hell didn't before written language was around.<br /><br />This is the result of a strict generation to generation, 1 to 1, process. Perhaps with a very minor grandson exception.Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1780940751471442112017-05-11T07:10:02.926-07:002017-05-11T07:10:02.926-07:00Karl,
"The steppe 'converts' mostly ...Karl,<br /><br />"The steppe 'converts' mostly had a specific genetic marker that they could not have known even existed."<br /><br />If I know my fathers line in 28 generations - I know I'm part of something more than the "here" and the "now". Moreover - as my grandfather, already, where a nobleman (earl, marki) I would have a clear comprehension of batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37532781170395232812017-05-11T06:49:57.933-07:002017-05-11T06:49:57.933-07:00Karl K,
"We actually like facts, as crazy as...Karl K,<br /><br />"We actually like facts, as crazy as that seems."<br /><br />Great. I just posted a small bunch of them - regarding the cryptic roots of the I-E symbolism. Hope you find them enjoyable.batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24524632242795810312017-05-11T06:35:35.498-07:002017-05-11T06:35:35.498-07:00If Ad Hominem stays in Absurdum he get to vaccate ...If Ad Hominem stays in Absurdum he get to vaccate in Cognito. <br /><br />I rather lend my ear to Tommy Emmanuel. He's already 'Live' on Youtube - without no strings attached.batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6616952321133976512017-05-11T06:23:41.450-07:002017-05-11T06:23:41.450-07:00@Davidski
"feel free to post some highlights...@Davidski<br /><br />"feel free to post some highlights of your meeting on Youtube. I'm sure it'll be a hit."<br /><br />Now that's a good idea.Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.com