tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6075664242736033160..comments2024-03-18T22:01:02.498-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: The Neolithic transition in the BalticDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61314532427964970932017-02-04T13:54:17.605-08:002017-02-04T13:54:17.605-08:00I doubt it's very accurate but according to th...I doubt it's very accurate but according to this reconstruction that upper paleolithic woman from Dolni Vestonice looked already fully caucasoid.<br />http://www.anthropark.wz.cz/pavlova.htm<br />What's interesting is that many vestonice cluster samples including her, had mediterranean type of skulls despite zero or nearly zero basal eurasian admixture.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46890179979893695832017-02-04T13:20:37.626-08:002017-02-04T13:20:37.626-08:00South African Hofmeyr skull is very similar to upp...South African Hofmeyr skull is very similar to upper paleolithic Vestonice cluster skulls, especially Kostenki so it's possible that Vetonice types came to Europe directly from Africa though there doesn't seem to be any back migrations of European HG types to Africa as modern Africans don't have any WHG-UHG or australoid/south asian type of admixtures. Direct African origin would Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30508867416456910462017-02-04T10:01:01.778-08:002017-02-04T10:01:01.778-08:00It is clear that all these R-M73 found in Latvia (...It is clear that all these R-M73 found in Latvia (as the previous found before) are mostly dead end line, because only one of them survived in Eastern Europe/Asia, and, after long bottlenecks, gave life to the R-M73-M478* lines of to-day. Western European samples descend from an R-M73+ (M478-), thus they don't come from these samples. Of course we may not exclude that also the Western Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23414508707731936062017-02-04T08:24:58.590-08:002017-02-04T08:24:58.590-08:00@Romulus
patrilineal clans will have specific ydn...@Romulus<br /><br />patrilineal clans will have specific ydna clades<br /><br />groups of allied patrilineal clans will have a majority or plurality of regionally specific ydna clades<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70342045332208682142017-02-04T00:31:35.511-08:002017-02-04T00:31:35.511-08:00Latvia_MN1 isn't only R-P297, but also with so...Latvia_MN1 isn't only R-P297, but also with some mutation at the R-M269 level, having CTS1422/M8209+.Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32052306609020481892017-02-04T00:19:08.278-08:002017-02-04T00:19:08.278-08:00The mutation found incertain from Genetiker in Lat...<br />The mutation found incertain from Genetiker in Latvia_HG3 (7252-6802YBP) Y: 22334107 (T>C) is present in Asian an Eastern European R-M73 (perhaps also with the mutation M478, being R-M73* present only in Western Europe, thus older)<br /><br />Sample ID HG 22445107<br />REFSEQ T<br />YF03139 R-Y14051 C <br />YF03179 R-Y14051 C <br />YF02940 R-Y22195 C <br /><br /><br />Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11366311445576854842017-02-03T16:58:07.620-08:002017-02-03T16:58:07.620-08:00@Grey
"R1b majority alliance"
Sems yo...@Grey <br /><br />"R1b majority alliance"<br /><br />Sems you've got the mind of a child, body too hopefully?Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81300338841652830132017-02-03T14:50:26.072-08:002017-02-03T14:50:26.072-08:00"So the Mesolithic western steppe had no EHG,..."So the Mesolithic western steppe had no EHG, and the EBA western steppe had no CHG mtDNA???"<br /><br />my guess is an R1b majority alliance centered originally on the river running through Kargaly copper field<br /><br />/// the one going north just past Orenberg<br />/// https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Ural_river_basin.png<br />/// nb rivers to samara are on the Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9987893064189000942017-02-03T07:39:01.128-08:002017-02-03T07:39:01.128-08:00I've got them too. I'll merge and run some...I've got them too. I'll merge and run some stats. There's not a lot of coverage though. Only 110k SNPs in what we were sent.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31376580478933067852017-02-03T06:37:56.540-08:002017-02-03T06:37:56.540-08:00I want to see the Rathlin Beakers modeled as Latvi...I want to see the Rathlin Beakers modeled as Latvian MN + Ballynahatty. Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80700555080064192162017-02-03T06:05:27.742-08:002017-02-03T06:05:27.742-08:00Post at my blog where I argue high frequencies of ...Post at my blog where I argue high frequencies of U5a and especially U4 in Eastern Europe is partially due to Eastern European WHG ancestry...<br /><br />http://mtdnaatlas.blogspot.com/2017/02/new-mtdna-from-stone-age-eastern.html<br /><br />U5a frequencies in Europe are pretty uniform except for abnormally low frequencies in Iberia, Italy and abnormally high frequencies in East Baltic and Volga Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52788771050097504822017-02-03T06:01:36.631-08:002017-02-03T06:01:36.631-08:00@Alberto,
"So the Mesolithic western steppe h...@Alberto,<br />"So the Mesolithic western steppe had no EHG, and the EBA western steppe had no CHG mtDNA???"<br /><br />The study only sampled about 10 samples. Some were Yamnaya and Catacomb. A bunch were U5b, which is unheard of in Yamnaya and Andronovo and the like. Maybe this lots of U5b, some C4a, no CHG or EEF mtDNA means Yamnaya/Catacomb Ukraine was differnt. Maybe. Maybe.Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32078371245855817162017-02-03T05:39:30.641-08:002017-02-03T05:39:30.641-08:00Well regarding that, I have talked to them, they a...<i>Well regarding that, I have talked to them, they all agree that Yamnaya does.</i><br /><br />Either you misinterpreted what they said, or they don't have any clue how to interpret their own data.<br /><br />The latter, if true, would be very interesting indeed.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73075984982196660182017-02-03T05:29:10.364-08:002017-02-03T05:29:10.364-08:00Dave,
Well regarding that . I have talked to them ...Dave,<br />Well regarding that . I have talked to them , they all agree that Yamnaya does . <br /><br />But since you have the problems and some others also , I think it can be interesting, if a publication of the correspondence can be published . Keeping in mind, that the scientists agree, on that publication . I think knowing the technical raesonings of both parties will be very valuable. I Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51161549935194765552017-02-03T05:17:28.596-08:002017-02-03T05:17:28.596-08:00@Nirjhar
I've already e-mailed Dr. Lazaridis ...@Nirjhar<br /><br />I've already e-mailed Dr. Lazaridis and told him that Yamnaya doesn't have any ancestry from the Zagros.<br /><br />Why don't you e-mail him and ask if he thinks that it does? And then come back and tell us what he said.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9296469909741103492017-02-03T05:01:01.170-08:002017-02-03T05:01:01.170-08:00@ Matt
I would agree with your traditional impres...@ Matt<br /><br />I would agree with your traditional impression, as it holds chronological water when going through detailed chronology in archaeological literature. That is, the explanation that CWC are a splinter group of early or pre-Yamnaya, 'gone forest' is still parsiminous, although we have to admit other possibilities (with eHG showing up in MN Baltic, and probably also being Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73182123777055503672017-02-03T04:38:13.477-08:002017-02-03T04:38:13.477-08:00Yes Alberto , I think its now suggesting how '...Yes Alberto , I think its now suggesting how 'sexy' ;) , the idea of CHG through female exogamy is. Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3192795068193927932017-02-03T04:24:56.154-08:002017-02-03T04:24:56.154-08:00@Nirjhar
Thanks for that link. More surprises fro...@Nirjhar<br /><br />Thanks for that link. More surprises from Ukraine!<br /><br /><em>This report presents results of the investigation of maternal genetic lineages of individuals buried in kurgans constructed during the Eneolithic–EBA transition in the western part of the North Pontic Region (NPR). Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) lineages from the interments belonging to the Eneolithic as well as the Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27120213284760395242017-02-03T04:18:11.360-08:002017-02-03T04:18:11.360-08:00Alberto: if those Ukraine_HGs turn out to be R1b-M...Alberto: <i>if those Ukraine_HGs turn out to be R1b-M269, with whom did they mix to become Yamnaya-like? Because, though we'll have to wait to check exactly how they look like, MA1 not being any closer to them than to Loschbour or Bichon should mean they have little ANE.</i><br /><br />Loschbour and Bichon may still have ANE ancestry compared to the Europeans who came before them (Vestonice Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36598162238028404282017-02-03T04:05:13.261-08:002017-02-03T04:05:13.261-08:00Did the Epi-Gravettian appear in the Crimea at +-1...Did the Epi-Gravettian appear in the Crimea at +-17000 ybp ? The Villabruna people are said to show physical similarities to East Africans. This I think is because both evolved in a plains environment. Does this point towards the Steppe? Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91138701717272329862017-02-03T04:02:11.043-08:002017-02-03T04:02:11.043-08:00Eastpole,
I am not understanding you too mate . I...Eastpole,<br /><br />I am not understanding you too mate . I am just saying a simple truth regarding the ethnic correlations that are tried to forced . <br /><br />Dave,<br /><br /><i>Total nonsense.</i> .<br /><br />Maybe you should publish , some of your conversations with Dr. Lazaridis regarding this issue ;). Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1426063614433584152017-02-03T03:52:44.582-08:002017-02-03T03:52:44.582-08:00@Nirjhar007
I don’t understand you. I am just quot...@Nirjhar007<br />I don’t understand you. I am just quoting the article. You should ask the authors. Write to them and see what they say.<br />EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4115978120229832702017-02-03T03:47:32.173-08:002017-02-03T03:47:32.173-08:00"The other significant genetic component in t...<i>"The other significant genetic component in the EBA steppe ancestry appeared to hail from the Zargos (sic!) mountain area in northwestern Iran."</i><br /><br />Total nonsense.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32836326686407400812017-02-03T03:45:36.602-08:002017-02-03T03:45:36.602-08:00New Mtdna from Ukraine folks,
http://www.nature.c...<b>New Mtdna from Ukraine folks</b>,<br /> http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/jhg201712a.html <br /><br /> It speaks of Iran with Lazaridis in note: "The other significant genetic component in the EBA steppe ancestry appeared to hail from the Zargos (sic!) mountain area in northwestern Iran."Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-526971534198071412017-02-03T03:19:52.263-08:002017-02-03T03:19:52.263-08:00I've got the genotype data.
Running it now.I've got the genotype data.<br /><br />Running it now.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com