tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post617324695283660739..comments2024-03-28T06:30:18.217-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Interesting times aheadDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger184125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68480591352492775992019-11-06T20:35:20.022-08:002019-11-06T20:35:20.022-08:00There were different size horses from early on...L...There were different size horses from early on...Large pony breeds like the Highland, Bosnian Horse etc. are capable of carrying a man...Remember most men were Not Overweight back then. Heheheeh...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-92020106611101310372019-11-06T15:58:01.210-08:002019-11-06T15:58:01.210-08:00They got arrows from downstairs, just the ones sta...They got arrows from downstairs, just the ones standing on the bridge or in chariots. About bone changes is aberration if there were no Cimmerians there. The battle for the bridge was just because it was the only thing chariots could pass through. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63773432059407969402019-11-06T14:43:09.260-08:002019-11-06T14:43:09.260-08:00@Archi: Quality German newspaper wrote another sto...@Archi: Quality German newspaper wrote another story. Translated by Google:<br />"This was matched by another observation. Several of the killed were apparently horsemen, as typical changes in their joints show. This could mean that on the Tollense also warriors fought on horses whose presence is evidenced by bones. Sword-bearers and riders on the battlefield - obviously, organized armies, zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88646938777400733092019-11-06T14:18:17.737-08:002019-11-06T14:18:17.737-08:00@zardos There is no evidence that the riders were...@zardos There is no evidence that the riders were there, and it is categorically impossible to imagine that they were there. Riders are impossible and this is proven.<br />It is a fact.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67809676716981437682019-11-06T14:08:04.976-08:002019-11-06T14:08:04.976-08:00@Archi: Ok, but where is the proof for chariots at...@Archi: Ok, but where is the proof for chariots at Tollense? Riders can be imagined by the evidence we have, but chariots? No. <br /><br />@Rob: The so called "Thraco-Cimmerian" horizon shows a lot of destruction and raids too. They might have, however, helped to create Hallstatt and contributed especially to the Eastern sphere of the culture.zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74210972204157524302019-11-06T13:18:00.840-08:002019-11-06T13:18:00.840-08:00@zardos "The consensus of the archaeologists ...@zardos "The consensus of the archaeologists afaik is that at Tollense were riders with high probability."<br /><br />There's no such consensus, and I know for a fact that archaeologists deny what you imagine. The use of cavalry at the time in the Battle of Tollenz is impossible, as archaeologists write.<br /><br />Chariots have been used everywhere, it's a fact. The Sea PeoplesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80167808056994292612019-11-06T13:17:18.840-08:002019-11-06T13:17:18.840-08:00It seems equestrian gear was brought by Cimmerians...It seems equestrian gear was brought by Cimmerians; who were benevolent steppe people <br />who trades with Urnfield etc<br />The early Scythians were unfriendly; burnt down a lot of forts And disrupted the trade networksRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23591186737491220672019-11-06T13:10:59.951-08:002019-11-06T13:10:59.951-08:00The consensus of the archaeologists afaik is that ...The consensus of the archaeologists afaik is that at Tollense were riders with high probability. What they think about and make Experiments fir is whether there sufficient evidence to Annonce it officially in the upcoming paper or prefer to be cautious.<br /><br />For chariots there is no proof and the terrain must be suitable for chariots. Chariots were in Central Europe mostly important in somezardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85749479761249380512019-11-06T13:05:19.257-08:002019-11-06T13:05:19.257-08:00In those times, everyone used chariots, and an arm...In those times, everyone used chariots, and an army without chariots was impossible. <br />But the cavalry of such fantasies does not even exist, because it is proven that it was not.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78727259116795674892019-11-06T13:01:32.334-08:002019-11-06T13:01:32.334-08:00Where is the proof for chariots at Tollense? Where is the proof for chariots at Tollense? zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27525983983378686972019-11-06T12:51:26.286-08:002019-11-06T12:51:26.286-08:00No fantastic angles. Chariots are higher and they ...No fantastic angles. Chariots are higher and they were used by archers to shoot at almost point-blank range, as well as to strike from top to bottom.<br /><br />So there is no fantasy to wait for.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10785949006467002432019-11-06T12:43:04.499-08:002019-11-06T12:43:04.499-08:00I'm not talking about a full fledged cavalry w...I'm not talking about a full fledged cavalry with metal gear! Its obvious they used cheek pieces and bites from organic materials and they rode horses long before.<br /><br />Also the bridge was not the only explanation and we have arrowheads which hit the body in a completely different angle than what you see before.<br />But for you only a horse with gear will be sufficient and thats hard zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73347355773598938752019-11-06T12:01:28.317-08:002019-11-06T12:01:28.317-08:00There is no alternative interpretation in Tollense...There is no alternative interpretation in Tollense, the battle was on the bridge and the top-down blows could only be from those standing on the bridge who were under the bridge. Chariots were definitely used in the battle.<br /><br /><br />The Cimmerians had centuries of pre-existing cavalry development in the steppe. By the time the Cimmerians arrived, almost no one had used chariots in the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42945823356376061992019-11-06T11:45:42.735-08:002019-11-06T11:45:42.735-08:00Well, I hope they have the courage to question tha...Well, I hope they have the courage to question that dogma and publish all the material from Tollense with the bold but correct interpretation the facts show.<br />Until then you stay where you deem it right. Sooner or later the mounting evidence might change your mind, because to start with late Cimmerians is ridiculous. They had a full fledged cavalry with metal gear.<br />Do you really think zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43973804670952521192019-11-06T09:20:34.253-08:002019-11-06T09:20:34.253-08:00@zardos "There were horses and they did ride....@zardos "There were horses and they did ride. There was cavalry on the battlefield."<br /><br />That's not true. At the time, nothing but chariots were used. Nobody could hit anyone from above, the horses had no saddles and stepladders, even the first cavalry was used exclusively by archers, because it was impossible to remain sitting on the horse when hitting it.<br /><br />The Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32991041593316994402019-11-06T06:42:15.060-08:002019-11-06T06:42:15.060-08:00There were horses and they did ride. Also, you can...There were horses and they did ride. Also, you can see wounds which were inflicted from above or below in a manner which suggests that riders hit or were hit while being on horseback.<br />They just want to be absolutely sure, which why they test any other possibility. And some citics will prefer any other explanation. Reminds me on the pre-Clovis idiocy. As if any honest scholar could have zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14153134109837865492019-11-06T06:15:47.973-08:002019-11-06T06:15:47.973-08:00@zardos "That's one possible scenario, bu...@zardos "That's one possible scenario, but rather unlikely."<br /><br />No, it's the only scientific scenario.<br /><br />"In Tollense we see actual proof for cavalry"<br /><br />No, There is no sign of a cavalry in the Tollense Battle.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61161332355054193982019-11-06T06:11:26.161-08:002019-11-06T06:11:26.161-08:00That's one possible scenario, but rather unlik...That's one possible scenario, but rather unlikely. Sintashta used horses big time for war chariots.<br />Fully equipped warriors on horseback are unsure and fighting from it unlikely.<br />That's why chariots came first as an effective and intimidating platform for war.<br /><br />But that horses were not ridden at all at this time is an absurd idea.<br /><br />In Tollense we see actual zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49155136412904705192019-11-06T05:11:22.961-08:002019-11-06T05:11:22.961-08:00
Horses were originally tamed as draught animals (...<br />Horses were originally tamed as draught animals (Sintashta) and only with the transition in the Andronovo culture to a nomadic way of life there, the shepherds started to use the horse for a riding, initially only for the purpose of shepherdhood. It took hundreds of years of breeding to adapt the tame horse to riding, which was carried out only to the beginning of the Iron Age.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24291814094899077642019-11-06T04:24:54.701-08:002019-11-06T04:24:54.701-08:00How do you breed already tamed horses for riding? ...How do you breed already tamed horses for riding? Yes, by starting to ride them! <br />They did breed for colors or milk production, sone aesthetic features, but the rest was trial and error and no purposeful breeding towards a race standard for horses.<br />They bred those which were able and willing to carry a men longer. If the horse was unfit, less capable, it became the next lunch whereas zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36882506070063598982019-11-06T03:56:30.144-08:002019-11-06T03:56:30.144-08:00Studies show that the wagon and sled have always b...<br /><br />Studies show that the wagon and sled have always been harnessed by no less than a couple of animals, the fact that the same thing happened when harnessing dogs into sleds (>two dogs of Yuma>two/three heads of Cerberus). One dog couldn't pull a sled with a man, so at least two dogs were used. The same way they initially harnessed the bulls into wagons and horses into chariotsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47495470286214244252019-11-06T03:29:11.914-08:002019-11-06T03:29:11.914-08:00Horseback riding requires not only domesticated ho...Horseback riding requires not only domesticated horses, but also special breeding of breeds with the selection by hooves and back of the horse.<br /><br /><br />Domestication of animals began with domestication of dogs in the east and north no later than the beginning of the Mesolithic period, but in fact in Paleolithic times. <br />Burials with a couple of dogs in the Steppe and in northern Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23108106609707559602019-11-06T01:14:17.779-08:002019-11-06T01:14:17.779-08:00Aeolius: Feral domesticated animals fall back to t...Aeolius: Feral domesticated animals fall back to the wild form rather quickly. The Indians too had some work to do with the Mustang. <br />Its interesting that the Indians first considered the horses sacred in a way while using their meat.<br />Riding started later even though the role model, better breed and the need was there.<br /><br />So looking at Eastern Europe from that perspective, the zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48828970820384791252019-11-05T21:46:23.256-08:002019-11-05T21:46:23.256-08:00Some quernstones were relatively round and some ha...Some quernstones were relatively round and some had depressions and hollows in the middle. I can imagine a woman struggling to lift the side of the quernstone and harnessing a pole for leverage to turn it on its side by inserting the pole into the semihole for rolling....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54167734387619792552019-11-05T21:30:28.882-08:002019-11-05T21:30:28.882-08:00@ Aeolius
Quernstone...@ Aeolius <br /><br />Quernstone...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.com