tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6241983747761337479..comments2024-03-29T01:11:37.621-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Maykop: a multi-ethnic layer cake?Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15191211005667437242019-03-08T02:03:25.281-08:002019-03-08T02:03:25.281-08:00@Matt
Check out the latest datasheets. At least s...@Matt<br /><br />Check out the latest datasheets. At least some of those artifacts should now be gone, but if they persist, then I can't do much about it, and you just have to remove the outlier samples from the relevant analyses.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g-oG1GaYJZ7oeEuNyWdAC4xl5DXwnI4p/view?usp=sharing<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63007428420284736952019-03-07T12:18:04.073-08:002019-03-07T12:18:04.073-08:00@Matt
This might be an artifact of only using two...@Matt<br /><br />This might be an artifact of only using two people per population (each of those populations are based on just two people).<br /><br />I'll try and bolster those sets with more people and hopefully the problem disappears.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40492440335197896872019-03-07T11:54:33.131-08:002019-03-07T11:54:33.131-08:00Cheers.
Minor note: Something may be up with row ...Cheers.<br /><br />Minor note: Something may be up with row values for Swedish, Russian_North, Russian_Central and Russian_West? They seem oddly high and separated from close relatives when I put those through PCA?<br /><br />Bunch of random graphics using these stats: https://imgur.com/a/gTPaXCaMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47449760944356524302019-03-06T16:49:14.082-08:002019-03-06T16:49:14.082-08:00@Matt
No Ust_Ida_LN, but I put in Hovsgol_BA and ...@Matt<br /><br />No Ust_Ida_LN, but I put in Hovsgol_BA and Tianyuan.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g-oG1GaYJZ7oeEuNyWdAC4xl5DXwnI4p/view?usp=sharing<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17560830141344151772019-03-06T11:40:16.535-08:002019-03-06T11:40:16.535-08:00@Davidski, this is probably asking a bit too much ...@Davidski, this is probably asking a bit too much but any possibility of doing Indus_Periphery, Swat_IA, Ust_Ida_LN, Iron_Gates_HG, WHG for (Eurasian) completeness sake?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43000575028871538522019-03-05T15:54:45.562-08:002019-03-05T15:54:45.562-08:00Thanks, look much like as expected: https://imgur....Thanks, look much like as expected: https://imgur.com/a/jlCHDaGMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49602344570962065052019-03-05T06:00:28.909-08:002019-03-05T06:00:28.909-08:00@Matt
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g-oG1GaYJZ...@Matt<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g-oG1GaYJZ7oeEuNyWdAC4xl5DXwnI4p/view?usp=sharing<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7017336160119301272019-03-05T01:32:39.254-08:002019-03-05T01:32:39.254-08:00@Kristiina
That sample was wrongly defined as R1...@Kristiina <br /><br />That sample was wrongly defined as R1. It's actually R2, just like the other one.<br /><br />So all you have is a low frequency of R2 in what is now Iran.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30973719678028204092019-03-05T01:10:15.935-08:002019-03-05T01:10:15.935-08:00@ David
You omit yDNA R2. We do have pre-Bronze A...@ David<br /><br />You omit yDNA R2. We do have pre-Bronze Age samples of R2 from west Asia and one sample that was defined R1.<br /><br />These are Iran Neolithic samples from the Harward paper<br />Ganj Dareh NE Zagros I1945 R2a<br />Ganj Dareh NE Zagros I1949 R1<br />Iran NE Ganj Dareh Zagros I1947 GD22 R2a<br />Iran NE Ganj Dareh Zagros I1954 GD41 R2a<br />Iran NE Ganj Dareh Zagros I1946 GD20Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84991977696915360902019-03-05T00:08:57.051-08:002019-03-05T00:08:57.051-08:00@ Davidski
Yes, and that is why I said "......@ Davidski <br /><br />Yes, and that is why I said "...settle in and prosper without acquiring some advantages over the local inhabitants of that Desert Regions."<br /><br />@ Kristiina <br /><br />What David said. ;)Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86205688327195655702019-03-04T23:41:36.185-08:002019-03-04T23:41:36.185-08:00Based on ancient DNA, Kristiina's proposal tha...Based on ancient DNA, Kristiina's proposal that Y-hg R "thrived" in West Asia before the Bronze Age looks like a fantasy.<br /><br />I mean, let's use some common sense and logic here.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78656182012270025422019-03-04T23:28:47.963-08:002019-03-04T23:28:47.963-08:00@ Kristiina
Okay, Sorry missed the THRIVED part. ...@ Kristiina<br /><br />Okay, Sorry missed the THRIVED part. However I did not say that nobody migrated since 30 000 years ago. <br /><br />But I also can not see how lineages who evolved in an extremely cold environment just suddenly prefer a Desert environment(Evolution of Bactrian Camels, Onager, Gerbils and Karakul Sheep etc.) to settle in and prosper without acquiring some advantages over theRic Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11624844380510651402019-03-04T16:40:15.325-08:002019-03-04T16:40:15.325-08:00@epoch
Nope.
@epoch<br /><br />Nope.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83112296841366385232019-03-04T15:42:45.283-08:002019-03-04T15:42:45.283-08:00Davidski: What other stats can I add to this line ...Davidski: <i>What other stats can I add to this line up?</i><br /><br />Considering this question, I had a look at some f3 stats you'd run from me before. These were f3(Mbuti,X;Ancient), rather than the f3(Mbuti;Ancient,X) which I think you've run here. <br /><br />They give a closely correlated measure that is more like a distance: https://imgur.com/a/GLJzbnQ (whereas the other more likeMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71391297816406833632019-03-04T08:18:04.320-08:002019-03-04T08:18:04.320-08:00@David
Is Kum4 good enough to eke out some signif...@David<br /><br />Is Kum4 good enough to eke out some significant D-stats? Such as this?<br /><br />Mbuti EHG Kumtepe_LN4 Kumtepe_LN6epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1100066472560555582019-03-04T04:08:36.758-08:002019-03-04T04:08:36.758-08:00
@ Ric Hern I did not say what you claim me to hav...<br />@ Ric Hern I did not say what you claim me to have said. I said R THRIVED in West Asia and Caspian steppe.<br /><br />It is stupid to think that during a period of 30 000 years a haplogroup would stay put in one tiny area. People were moving around and haplogroups arose and went extinct. Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45620536927932073332019-03-04T03:49:19.992-08:002019-03-04T03:49:19.992-08:00P1 in Northeast Siberia and R in Southern Siberia....P1 in Northeast Siberia and R in Southern Siberia...How did you get to R originating in West Asia ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15625618508177620522019-03-04T01:38:33.457-08:002019-03-04T01:38:33.457-08:00At the moment, the yfull tree and the ancient evid...At the moment, the yfull tree and the ancient evidence point to K2 having arisen in South Central Asia with O thriving in China, N in Western/Central Siberia, Q in Northeast Asia and R in West Asia and Caspian steppe. Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23126013183788310942019-03-03T21:48:42.103-08:002019-03-03T21:48:42.103-08:00I also wish we had proto-Corded Ware samples, eith...I also wish we had proto-Corded Ware samples, either from post-Stog groups or the immediate predecessors of CWC (Dnieper zone?)Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718136580023709390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5000993782624259112019-03-03T19:48:49.242-08:002019-03-03T19:48:49.242-08:00I’m waiting for Fatyanovo samples, maybe they’re t...I’m waiting for Fatyanovo samples, maybe they’re the ancestors of the Indo-Iranians?Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718136580023709390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20033387161233498302019-03-03T15:45:01.732-08:002019-03-03T15:45:01.732-08:00Modern Greek Cretans & Aegeans (from near coas...Modern Greek Cretans & Aegeans (from near coast of Turkey) are probably mostly Anatolian not Greek. Despite this, they have about 15% Steppe ancestry. There are only two possible explanations...<br /> -Greek/Balkan ancestry had lots of Steppe ancestry (30-40%)<br /> -Both their Greek/Balkan & Anatolian ancestors had Steppe admixture.<br /><br />The second possibility is Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38180570582783493742019-03-03T15:15:26.178-08:002019-03-03T15:15:26.178-08:00@Davidski
Exactly.
And we need more high-quality...@Davidski<br /><br />Exactly.<br /><br />And we need more high-quality samples from the region, because otherwise the Max Planck Institute and other wanton supporters of the Out-of-Iran or Armenia hypothesis will continue with their hijinks.Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718136580023709390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53689557779342456172019-03-03T14:41:55.114-08:002019-03-03T14:41:55.114-08:00Kum4 does have steppe ancestry. A lot of it too.
...Kum4 does have steppe ancestry. A lot of it too.<br /><br />This sample is from western Anatolia, with a dating of 5,500–4,800 BP.<br /><br />Pity that it's such a shitty sequence, because otherwise it would nail the steppe PIE hypothesis.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86515901322022095202019-03-03T09:27:52.832-08:002019-03-03T09:27:52.832-08:00Did Northern and Eastern Europeans inherit ABCC11 ...Did Northern and Eastern Europeans inherit ABCC11 gene from the steppes admixture? or did hunter gatherers carry it as well? It peaks in Asians but also seems to be present in N & E Europe.<br /><br />ABCC11 gene frequency:<br /><br />Deutsche 16%<br />Westeuropäer 17%<br />Osteuropäer 20%<br />Chinesen 94%<br />Koreaner 100%<br /><br />I'm guessing it has something to do with Steppe/ANE Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06113544703187048334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35699765515410066402019-03-03T05:26:54.311-08:002019-03-03T05:26:54.311-08:00"Also, from 4000 BC to 2000 BC even before th..."Also, from 4000 BC to 2000 BC even before the Steppe invasion the proportion of mtDNA H of all clades rose sharply from 19% of early farmers to over 40%."<br /><br />wild speculation but mtdna is involved in energy production in the cell<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA<br /><br />so i wonder if different types of mtdna can have selective advantages in certainGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.com