tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6292352724605144805..comments2024-03-19T00:15:33.844-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Villabruna cluster =/= Near Eastern migrantsDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger227125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23321476993629040052016-05-12T23:58:44.281-07:002016-05-12T23:58:44.281-07:00Hi Jaydeep,
Yes , What you say surely has logic ....Hi Jaydeep,<br /><br />Yes , What you say surely has logic . But I am not very interested on Basal clades, the main reason is they have nothing to do with PIE . Too old! :). But on M-269 related clades, it will be interesting what the aDNA from SC Asia say.<br /><br />Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80767745461337308812016-05-12T06:01:37.361-07:002016-05-12T06:01:37.361-07:00Villabruna doesn't have any South Asian ancest...Villabruna doesn't have any South Asian ancestry. But South Asians have Villabruna ancestry.<br /><br />Also, the North/East European R1a-Z282 separated from the Asian (and South Asian) R1a-Z93 only around 5,000 years ago. North/East Europeans don't have South Asian admixture, but south Asians have North/East European admixture.<br /><br />It's really not an issue worth debating. Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26651773938619468162016-05-12T05:35:23.799-07:002016-05-12T05:35:23.799-07:00(...continued)
Both the ancestral components in S...(...continued)<br /><br />Both the ancestral components in South Asia therefore appear to have a very ancient presence. The West Eurasian cline in South Asia need not be explained by a series of migrations into South Asia. It is equally probable that West Eurasians separated from East Eurasians around SC Asia. The ASI like people might have been a 3rd group - a basal South Asian if you like - Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02988573049183397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83566059388535620232016-05-12T05:34:31.019-07:002016-05-12T05:34:31.019-07:00David,
Thank you for the stats. The stats seem to...David,<br /><br />Thank you for the stats. The stats seem to support the division of South Asian people into roughly 2 ancestral groups aka ANI & ASI. However, ASI in South Asia is represented by mtDNA M and this has been suggested in a recent paper to have come into South Asia through a back-migration from SE Asia. This makes the situation quite interesting. On the other hand, the West Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02988573049183397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90188559178820597582016-05-12T05:18:54.541-07:002016-05-12T05:18:54.541-07:00Nirjhar,
R1b is well spread out in Central Asia, ...Nirjhar,<br /><br />R1b is well spread out in Central Asia, Iran, Pakistan besides India. It is even present in Nepal & Bhutan. And in most of these places there is a presence of very ancient subclades of R1b. Coupled that with the presence of R1a & R2a around most of the above countries and that is sufficient enough to suggest that R1b in SC Asia & in Iran might be an old presence. <Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02988573049183397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24894702158713698502016-05-12T00:03:12.035-07:002016-05-12T00:03:12.035-07:00Let's move things to the new thread...
http:/...Let's move things to the new thread...<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/following-mammoth-herds.htmlDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21065692246603376312016-05-11T23:48:02.487-07:002016-05-11T23:48:02.487-07:00@ Davidski, thanks, looks mostly in the right dire...@ Davidski, thanks, looks mostly in the right direction, but magnitude incorrect and some noise. Populations with Basal Eurasian (Stuttgart, Kotias, Satsurblia) are only weakly less related to Oase1 than Ust_Ishim is, when compared to Yoruba.<br /><br />If possible, could you test the methodology of <br /><br />f4 (Kostenki14,Mbuti:Pop,Ust-Ishim) : f4 (Kostenki14,Mbuti:GoyetQ116-1,Ust-Ishim)<br /Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57373970290958865962016-05-11T21:04:59.213-07:002016-05-11T21:04:59.213-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588546655427153692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15964427305852262382016-05-11T20:45:05.022-07:002016-05-11T20:45:05.022-07:00@Postneo
No one said anything about a NE Eurasian...@Postneo<br /><br />No one said anything about a NE Eurasian-like population.<br /><br />The population mentioned was the Bronze Age Eastern European steppe population, rich in Z93, and very similar to present-day Northern and Eastern Europeans.<br /><br />I should also mention that the oldest of these Z93 samples, Poltavka outlier, is very close in time to the major expansion of Z93 as inferred Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68099163660170946382016-05-11T20:29:44.388-07:002016-05-11T20:29:44.388-07:00@jaydeep, Onur, Ryu
1) z93 of south asia vs europ...@jaydeep, Onur, Ryu<br /><br />1) z93 of south asia vs europe are not bifurcated. All clades are represented with no regional structure in south asia. In central asia and the ashkenaz groups the representation is less parsimonious.<br /><br />2) There is some evidence of mixing btw a "NE eurasian like" pop and and "ME" like pop in south asia but this could easily be due to thepostneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52636838573957356832016-05-11T18:13:49.517-07:002016-05-11T18:13:49.517-07:00Matt,
Oase1 Mbuti Satsurblia Ust_Ishim : Oase1 Mb...Matt,<br /><br />Oase1 Mbuti Satsurblia Ust_Ishim : Oase1 Mbuti Yoruba Ust_Ishim 0.082402<br />Oase1 Mbuti Kotias Ust_Ishim : Oase1 Mbuti Yoruba Ust_Ishim 0.064586<br />Oase1 Mbuti Anatolia_Neolithic Ust_Ishim : Oase1 Mbuti Yoruba Ust_Ishim 0.048734<br />Oase1 Mbuti Stuttgart Ust_Ishim : Oase1 Mbuti Yoruba Ust_Ishim 0.064584<br />Oase1 Mbuti Iberia_EN Ust_Ishim : Oase1 Mbuti Yoruba Ust_Ishim Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-92033536625845675512016-05-11T15:40:58.295-07:002016-05-11T15:40:58.295-07:00Iberia Early Neolithic.
Where did you hear this ...Iberia Early Neolithic. <br /><br />Where did you hear this about Beakers? Anything we can read?Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19967521408196151182016-05-11T15:29:40.264-07:002016-05-11T15:29:40.264-07:00Buzz Alert!
Max Planck is about to reveal several ...Buzz Alert!<br />Max Planck is about to reveal several Results for several Iberia Bell Beaker sites. Hummm My Shulaveri R1b(M269) and Friends E1bM81 from North Africa should be revelead. ;)<br />And maybe with luck A H2a or H13...Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63484852321873516932016-05-11T13:32:19.997-07:002016-05-11T13:32:19.997-07:00@Chad
Which are the Iberia EN?@Chad<br />Which are the Iberia EN?Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64878352820213263382016-05-11T12:30:39.837-07:002016-05-11T12:30:39.837-07:00I've noticed some strange effects when Goyet-Q...I've noticed some strange effects when Goyet-Q116 is involved in D-stats...can someone run a few just to see for sure if anything is going on.<br /><br />Mbuti Ust_Ishim GoyetQ116-1 Kostenki14<br />Mbuti GoyetQ116-1 Han Onge<br />GoyetQ116-1 Ust_Ishim Han OngeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13744077415419545192016-05-11T11:48:17.053-07:002016-05-11T11:48:17.053-07:00What about: f4 (Oase1,Mbuti,Pop,Ust_Ishim) : (Oase...What about: f4 (Oase1,Mbuti,Pop,Ust_Ishim) : (Oase1,Mbuti,Yoruba,Ust_Ishim)?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25039477834935496312016-05-11T11:42:02.807-07:002016-05-11T11:42:02.807-07:00Actually, scratch that, wouldn't work. The sec...Actually, scratch that, wouldn't work. The second term in all those ratios would be approximately zero :(. (where we probably want it to be approximately close to one?)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48395651473798323072016-05-11T11:32:26.976-07:002016-05-11T11:32:26.976-07:00OT: All, with how Basal Eurasian is defined in thi...OT: All, with how Basal Eurasian is defined in this new paper (the new clarification being that in theory affinity to ENA vs Mbuti is an imperfect measure and affinity to Ust Ishim and Oase being what we should look for), what do we think about using either the ratios:<br /><br />a) f4 (GoyetQ116-1,Mbuti:Pop,Kostenki14) : f4 (GoyetQ116-1,Mbuti:Vestonice16,Kostenki14)<br /><br />or<br /><br />b) Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85453122171728438302016-05-11T10:39:43.828-07:002016-05-11T10:39:43.828-07:00Oh yeah, I forgot to add we'll need a WHG or t...Oh yeah, I forgot to add we'll need a WHG or two in that TreeMix run. One without wouldn't hurt to see if it puts the UP by EN + Ust Ishim or Oase1.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76795604886191241882016-05-11T09:03:09.102-07:002016-05-11T09:03:09.102-07:00@Davidski
You seriously need to get a better blog...@Davidski<br /><br />You seriously need to get a better blogging platform. After you reach 200 comments, I can't even bother to get to the point where I could possibly make idiotic replies. It is a disaster.<br /><br /><br />What platform does languagehat use? I have no problems over there. (Other than German Dziebel).Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20432712550625387722016-05-11T08:42:33.406-07:002016-05-11T08:42:33.406-07:00Ryu,
I plan on taking a look at that and seeing i...Ryu,<br /><br />I plan on taking a look at that and seeing if that phylogeny works in ADMIXTUREGRAPH. David could try the TreeMix with Africans, Neandertal, Oase1, Ust_Ishim, Iberia_EN, Anatolia_EN, Satsurblia, Kostenki14, GoyetQ116-1, Vestonice16, MA1, AfontovaGora3, Karitiana, Han, and Dai. We'll see if it creates something like these odd qpAdm runs I have or Basal Eurasian.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52714559032888383732016-05-11T05:51:20.264-07:002016-05-11T05:51:20.264-07:00Gio
I'd like to ask, in your least poetic ter...Gio<br /><br />I'd like to ask, in your least poetic terms :), can you summarise the basal clades (not haplotypes) which exist in Italy & Spain ?<br />ThanksRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24829933300714445382016-05-11T03:38:13.668-07:002016-05-11T03:38:13.668-07:00@ Davidski
In this thread many spoke about hg. R1...@ Davidski<br /><br />In this thread many spoke about hg. R1a-Z93*. Apart the fact that India and Asia has above all the subclades from Z94 and downstream, this morning a friend of mine, Italian-American Grisi, wrote to me that not only he is R1a-Z93 and negative for all the downstream SNPs, but also the last result from www.yseq.net said he is negative also for KMS141, signed as Z93* Parent.<br Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58385656753430185942016-05-11T02:13:59.200-07:002016-05-11T02:13:59.200-07:00Gioiello
What route You propose for R1b-Z2103 exp...Gioiello<br /><br />What route You propose for R1b-Z2103 expansion? After all this SNP's TMRCA is more close to L23 so it can be more informative about the origin of L23 and M269.<br /><br />Also details about Z2106, Z2109, CTS7822 are welcomed. All this SNPs ( except CTS7822 relevant to Balkans ) are found in Yamna. Z2103* included.Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41316204319001936422016-05-11T01:27:29.405-07:002016-05-11T01:27:29.405-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588546655427153692noreply@blogger.com