tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6394838612319406018..comments2024-03-29T00:55:02.581-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Viking invasion at bioRxivDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger251125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36051723183043758502019-07-28T11:38:42.643-07:002019-07-28T11:38:42.643-07:00And who has got an answer, or an educated guess, f...And who has got an answer, or an educated guess, for the question mark of the "italian ancestry" among the Vikings?<br /><br />"Among the ancient samples, two individuals were derived haplogroups were identified as E1b1b1-M35.1, which are frequently encountered in modern southern Europe, Middle East and North Africa. Interestingly, the individuals carrying these haplogroups had weurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47307984771562557872019-07-26T03:02:38.057-07:002019-07-26T03:02:38.057-07:00Ok ; so you’re referring to the subsequent history...Ok ; so you’re referring to the subsequent history of regions where IE was spoken rather than the inception process ; which still remained to be elucidated. Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137547950290035805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23327405271587718932019-07-26T02:51:58.662-07:002019-07-26T02:51:58.662-07:00Law and egalitarian tendencies were present among ...Law and egalitarian tendencies were present among Greeks and Anatolians too of course, more so than in most other civilisations, but the percentage of free males with full rights was much lower.zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13154307369082488852019-07-26T02:49:33.296-07:002019-07-26T02:49:33.296-07:00It depends on the economic system too, because I m...It depends on the economic system too, because I mainly spoke of complex societies with a mass of farmers and slaves or slave like lowest classes.<br />Also, not all IE lineages made it on top and not all non-IE at the bottom.<br />This is obvious from Greece as well as from India.<br /><br />The more egalitarian and more IE people like Germanics, Slavs and Balts were clan based pastoralist and zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51451942296539663842019-07-26T02:48:20.584-07:002019-07-26T02:48:20.584-07:00@ Zardos
“They just put themselves on top in a s...@ Zardos <br /><br />“They just put themselves on top in a strictly hierarchical society to enjoy the productive fruits like in Greece and especially India.”<br /><br />This needs to be analysed on a case by case basis <br />Certainly, the current data doesn’t show such generalisations <br /><br />. For example the Swat valley data set doesn’t really demonstrate any elite posturing foreign males Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137547950290035805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29918795157537564432019-07-26T01:52:18.893-07:002019-07-26T01:52:18.893-07:00@Andrei-"Are you a White Nationalist preachin...<br />@Andrei-"Are you a White Nationalist preaching against the vices of “White Genocide” or are you an anti-Kurganist Basque Nationalist preaching against Gimbutas’ Steppe theory? It’s quite confusing to understand what it is that you are for or against here"<br /><br />It is not so difficult to understand, because I am both, that is Western European that does not agree with the EU Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41267328963854209062019-07-26T01:37:29.385-07:002019-07-26T01:37:29.385-07:00In most of the cases known so far the women were n...In most of the cases known so far the women were not stolen, but the weaker group smashed. The women were in a lot of cases spared and, one way or another, integrated into the winners group.<br />Rape in war and female adaptation to dominant males is ubiquitous. Some females individually and cultures as a norm preferred suicide before living with the killers of the relatives, but most did not.<brzardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54691725712546464072019-07-26T01:12:18.939-07:002019-07-26T01:12:18.939-07:00Yeah, Yfull is looking at the Shirenzigou samples....Yeah, Yfull is looking at the Shirenzigou samples. But they haven't got back to me yet with the results.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87394060815104744232019-07-26T01:07:31.129-07:002019-07-26T01:07:31.129-07:00@Davidski, you're right, I've missed that!...@Davidski, you're right, I've missed that! Although there are still 3/16 R1b in those assignments, so it's probably feasible to sample a cluster of genuine R1b as well without necessarily a separate patrilineal story from the other Iron Age nomads.<br /><br />I guess the paper on Shirenzigou should also be checked to await and see how those samples are checked on yfull? <br /><br />(Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65751123894191667892019-07-26T00:54:23.421-07:002019-07-26T00:54:23.421-07:00Early East African pastorals are clearly the main ...Early East African pastorals are clearly the main ancestors of modern Afro-Asiatic East Africans.Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61962187372173318372019-07-26T00:52:53.184-07:002019-07-26T00:52:53.184-07:00Modern Ethiopians are as Near Eastern as the earli...Modern Ethiopians are as Near Eastern as the earliest Pastorlists in Kenya. However, they score as much Bedouin/Arabian as Natufian.Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60606412003937561322019-07-26T00:48:35.310-07:002019-07-26T00:48:35.310-07:00@Cy Tolliver,
David has added the ancient Kenya s...@Cy Tolliver,<br /><br />David has added the ancient Kenya samples. They chose Natufian over all other NEar Eastern reference. <br /><br />The Oldest Pastorlists are about 50% Natufian-like.<br /><br />5.8293"<br /><br /> Kenya_Early_Pastoral_N<br /><br />Levant_Natufian,50.4<br />Ethiopia_4500BP,29.3<br />Sudanese,18<br />Levant_BA_North,2.3<br />Malawi_Chencherere_5200BP,0<br />Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37163749317529954202019-07-26T00:41:22.462-07:002019-07-26T00:41:22.462-07:00@Matt
Likewise they connect R1b directly with Afa...@Matt<br /><br /><i>Likewise they connect R1b directly with Afanasievo, but this glosses over - https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457 - "The Iron Age nomads (Cimmerians, Scythians, and Sarmatians) mostly carried the R1b Y haplogroup, which is characteristic of the Yamnaya of the Russian steppe".</i><br /><br />You may have missed this, but the Y-haplogroup assignments inDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33873500234961752602019-07-26T00:34:09.620-07:002019-07-26T00:34:09.620-07:00Interesting comments MattInteresting comments MattDragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137547950290035805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37233231512320646132019-07-26T00:25:40.963-07:002019-07-26T00:25:40.963-07:00@Andrzejewski
“I’m Polish but why would be any S...@Andrzejewski <br /><br />“I’m Polish but why would be any Slavic influences on Tocharian?”<br /><br />This is a good question. I suspect there was something Slavic in Corded Ware.<br /><br />https://i.postimg.cc/4dvb9yfW/screenshot-388.png<br /><br /><br />“What do you think about the theory regarding the Sarmatian origins of the Poles?”<br /><br /><br />It is probably a myth. Ask David. EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31665579071882806692019-07-26T00:24:54.682-07:002019-07-26T00:24:54.682-07:00Re; Iron Age Shirenzigou site - https://www.cell.c...Re; Iron Age Shirenzigou site - https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(19)30771-7 <br /><br />Choice of modelling populations ancestor is pretty kookalamanza:<br /><br /><i>"We continued to use qpAdm [4, 27] to estimate the admixture proportions in the Shirenzigou samples by using different pairs of source populations, such as Yamnaya_Samara, Afanasievo, Srubnaya, Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1149328879263232812019-07-25T23:24:39.910-07:002019-07-25T23:24:39.910-07:00@Davidski,
Because its impossible to get real evi...@Davidski,<br /><br />Because its impossible to get real evidence a complex behavior trait is genetic. That doesn't mean it isn't. In essentially every species, males compete for females. It'd make sense humans also do it on the group-level. The more 'powerful' group wins females from the weaker group. <br /><br />An exception to this is Neolithic Europe. The farmers were Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58930298801554632682019-07-25T22:42:36.158-07:002019-07-25T22:42:36.158-07:00@Samuel Andrews
Stealing women' from an enemy...@Samuel Andrews<br /><br /><i>Stealing women' from an enemy tribe seems to have been a common way that ancient humans (men) asserted their dominance over each other. It's a genetic trait not a socially constructed trait.</i><br /><br />Well, I don't think I've seen any evidence that it's a genetic trait and I'm not expecting to.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33214964240986745102019-07-25T22:33:55.262-07:002019-07-25T22:33:55.262-07:00The exact same thing happened in Europe during the...The exact same thing happened in Europe during the same time period between Eastern European Pastorals (Indo Europeans) & European farmers. One group of invading males was the dominate in the admixture process. They 'stole' the women of the native men. <br /><br />Arguably there are other examples. One example maybe SHG (EHG women, WHG men). <br /><br />Hopefully, gender studies Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48651157017592464432019-07-25T22:26:36.095-07:002019-07-25T22:26:36.095-07:00An important detail about the new East African anc...An important detail about the new East African ancient DNA I forgot to mention is.....Early Pastorals (4,000-3,000ya) have over 70% Near Eastern Y DNA and over 70% African mtDNA. <br /><br />This means there was sex-bias admixture between Near Eastern Pastoral & East African hunter gatherer populations. Near Eastern male+African female.<br /><br />The new hybrid populations spoke a Near Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49238614856324661382019-07-25T22:14:29.502-07:002019-07-25T22:14:29.502-07:00Cy Tolliver,
East Africans in G25 favor Natufian ...Cy Tolliver,<br /><br />East Africans in G25 favor Natufian over all other Near Eastern references including Arabian, ancient Egyptians. But, they definitely do have some recent near Eastern ancestry (because they have some IranN ancestry). <br /><br />It is interesting you say some have theorized Afro-Asiatic originated in Egypt. I wonder if it was a Natufian-rich pop it originated in. But, Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60038823697816132792019-07-25T21:07:16.819-07:002019-07-25T21:07:16.819-07:00@Andre
"we know that Tarim Basin Mummies coul...@Andre<br />"we know that Tarim Basin Mummies couldn’t be Tocharian because of the R1a1"<br /><br />We don't *know* anything of the kind.Bob Floyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01863468406651284016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57308988629086125692019-07-25T19:15:44.239-07:002019-07-25T19:15:44.239-07:00@Sam FYI R0 was also common in CT@Sam FYI R0 was also common in CTAndrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15215489267355249742019-07-25T19:13:44.138-07:002019-07-25T19:13:44.138-07:00N1a1a was a very common Neolithic farmer marker fr...N1a1a was a very common Neolithic farmer marker from Anatolia, spread very much within the Cardial Pottery complex and the Cucuteni Tripolye. Likewise, HV1 was one of the most common mtDNA within CT. So they are both Anatolian originally rather than Natufian Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32559341446648780852019-07-25T19:10:50.085-07:002019-07-25T19:10:50.085-07:00@Gaska “And that, without taking into account what...@Gaska “And that, without taking into account what many guys (here and in other forums) have said about the leftist political use of European migrations to convince white Europeans, that we are only migrants and that we have to accept the suicidal migration policy of the European Union without questioning. Mixing politics and genetics is BS, but many people who have accepted these theories Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.com