tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6401070657240163494..comments2024-03-19T06:26:06.056-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Multiple Holocene Eurasian migrations into north central AfricaDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69946941826162733102016-12-11T00:36:46.785-08:002016-12-11T00:36:46.785-08:00If R1b(V88) were connected to the spread of domest...If R1b(V88) were connected to the spread of domesticated cattle into Africa then there is clearly a problem with the spread from Italy. Why ? Because the Islands around Italy only show evidence of the introduction of cattle during the Middle Neolithic between 5000 and 4000 bC. while in Southern Egypt we see domesticated cattle at 7000 bC. with genetic connections to the Lavant and Taurus Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68214612311716945092016-12-10T23:57:00.290-08:002016-12-10T23:57:00.290-08:00At what time did domesticoated cattle appear on th...At what time did domesticoated cattle appear on the Islands around Italy ? Are there any DNA evidence that shows a connection between African cattle and Italian cattle ? If it spread from there, how did they manage to transport cattle over the seas at such an early date ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36102472834733882992016-12-10T23:47:23.356-08:002016-12-10T23:47:23.356-08:00Some Y-DNA from Tenerians and Kiffians could throw...Some Y-DNA from Tenerians and Kiffians could throw some light on the subject...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30865072556224886042016-12-10T23:38:01.424-08:002016-12-10T23:38:01.424-08:00When did the domestication of cattle spread into N...When did the domestication of cattle spread into North Africa ? Which people can be connected to this spread ? Cattle were domesticated in the Taurus Mountains.This was about a thousand years before the start of the Sahara Subpluvial...Were R1b(V88) people responsible for this spread from the Taurus ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73618257654144126082016-11-28T21:54:19.436-08:002016-11-28T21:54:19.436-08:00@Gioello
:) I still lurk even if I dont talk muc...@Gioello<br /><br />:) I still lurk even if I dont talk much.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59105886486429804232016-11-28T01:52:03.339-08:002016-11-28T01:52:03.339-08:00@ Annie Mouse
Do you remember when I called you &...@ Annie Mouse<br /><br />Do you remember when I called you "Annina Topo"?<br />Thank you. I think having brought infinite proofs in these last ten years that R1b1 (except L389- which was in Central Asia/Caucasus/India) was in the Italian Refugium.Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24968988637295788862016-11-28T00:57:29.136-08:002016-11-28T00:57:29.136-08:00Mesolithic Central Asia (0/0)
Mesolithic northern ...Mesolithic Central Asia (0/0)<br />Mesolithic northern European men (0/6) All I2<br />Mesolithic eastern European men (1/11) Mostly R1a. R1b is very eastern. <br />Mesolithic western European men (0/4) Mostly I.<br />Mesolithic southern European men (0/1) No Italians or Greeks tested.<br />Mesolithic North African men (0/0)<br /><br />Conclusion: Unlikely to be common in Eastern Europeans but Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-364583859262812672016-11-28T00:49:33.118-08:002016-11-28T00:49:33.118-08:00If V88 (aka R1c aka r1b1c aka R1b1a2) was in Chad ...If V88 (aka R1c aka r1b1c aka R1b1a2) was in Chad 5,700–7,300 years ago.<br /><br />Then V88 was in NorthAfrica/Med (Tunisia or Egypt) in 3,700 BCE (at least) and possibly as early as 5,300 BCE).<br /><br />This predates the Aegean Bronze age which did not start until 3,200 BCE. <br /><br />So R1b was in the Mediterranean/North Africa in the neolithic or earlier. This is actually a very Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37382272823947248672016-11-27T23:17:03.499-08:002016-11-27T23:17:03.499-08:00Yeah, the Dinka sample really allows for much bett...Yeah, the Dinka sample really allows for much better fits, and cleaner models. But the proportions of West Eurasian admixture aren't much different, although now I'm seeing some Levant_Neolithic. <br /><br />Again, same setup I always use, plus Dinka sample:<br /><br />Somali<br /><br />50.35% Dinka<br />41.15% Israel_Natufian<br />5.3% Iran_Neolithic<br />2.80% Esan_Nigeria<br />0.25% Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88810173565671184242016-11-27T22:41:11.354-08:002016-11-27T22:41:11.354-08:00David,
Thanks!
I'll include him, we'll s...David,<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />I'll include him, we'll see how the results change.Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15027519676704125032016-11-27T22:39:52.458-08:002016-11-27T22:39:52.458-08:00Gihanga Rwanda,
I think African populations will ...Gihanga Rwanda,<br /><br />I think African populations will always constitute really complex puzzles, considering the deep-rooted population sub-structure you mention. I mean, this continent is humanity's "birthplace", one would expect great complexity, and probably many streams of unsamples "ghost populations"<br /><br />Also, what I've found is that every method Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45092866550931906072016-11-27T22:22:42.037-08:002016-11-27T22:22:42.037-08:00I do have one Dinka individual. A full genome no l...I do have one Dinka individual. A full genome no less. I've added him to the Global_10 datasheet.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQaU5CRFFfdjN4OW8/view?usp=sharingDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13940671284977180002016-11-27T17:31:44.689-08:002016-11-27T17:31:44.689-08:00Seinundzeit,
This particular study seems to be ov...Seinundzeit,<br /><br />This particular study seems to be overestimating the level of Western Eurasian ancestry in East Africans and populations with significant said ancestry, the Amhara, Gumuz, and Toubou included. In particular, the study models all of the sampled African groups as Yoruba + X Western Eurasian group; however, the African ancestry in East Africans is best modeled by the majorityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75546655158644649212016-11-27T15:16:17.626-08:002016-11-27T15:16:17.626-08:00Idurar,
I was really struck by how tightly the Al...Idurar,<br /><br />I was really struck by how tightly the Algerians fit, seems like the model is very good for them.<br /><br />Although, I think we might possibly find that these estimates of West Eurasian admixture (with regard to East African populations) are more accurate, compared to what we've seen previously. <br /><br />I think the estimates have changed, since the Natufians are far Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-307223504329427592016-11-27T06:12:34.611-08:002016-11-27T06:12:34.611-08:00One peculiar thing here is that PCA-based modeling...<br />One peculiar thing here is that PCA-based modeling seems to overestimate West African in everyone. Here are various Broushaki fits for Africans:<br /><br />Egyptian: Iran_N 0.3327 LBK 0.4699 Mota 0.1523 Yoruba 0.0451 <br />Saharawi: LBK 0.6617 Mota 0.1555 Yoruba 0.0885<br />Oromo: NE1 0.0001 LBK 0.199 Mota 0.7911<br />Gambian: NE1 0.0003 LBK 0.0003 Mota 0.2401 Yoruba 0.7372<br />Kikuyu: Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57617145270055253772016-11-27T05:53:25.521-08:002016-11-27T05:53:25.521-08:00^ Interesting results. Although it seems the Israe...^ Interesting results. Although it seems the Israel_Natufian is absorbing some actual African ancestry in East Africans, Egypt and the Near East. Northwest Africans on the other hand don't seem to be affected, as expected, since the type of African ancestry there is different from what is found in the first group. As for Egyptians not being a good proxy for the West Eurasian ancestry of idurarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05604185733037820498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50097247375827470252016-11-27T04:00:13.121-08:002016-11-27T04:00:13.121-08:00Shaikorth,
As requested, I added Mozabites as a s...Shaikorth,<br /><br />As requested, I added Mozabites as a source population, yet the results are absolutely identical, no changes.<br /><br />Which isn't surprising, as the Mozabites model very differently, using my standard setup:<br /><br />Mozabite<br /><br />44.55% Israel_Natufian<br />20.95% LBK_EN<br />21.20% Gambian<br />8.25% Iberia_EN<br />3.50% Loschbour<br />1.15% Iberia_MN<br />Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18886307033680861202016-11-27T02:17:33.825-08:002016-11-27T02:17:33.825-08:00Can you try that model again, but with Mozabites a...Can you try that model again, but with Mozabites as an added source.Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5837232307900965272016-11-26T22:35:15.542-08:002016-11-26T22:35:15.542-08:00For what it's worth, the proportions look a li...For what it's worth, the proportions look a little different, if we change up the West Eurasian and Sub-Saharan African references (and use a different method).<br /><br />Utilizing David's excellent global PCA data-sheet, I took advantage of my tried-and-tested reference population setup. <br /><br />It's the same one I've used on West Eurasian populations as diverse as MoroccansSeinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33402657513433068632016-11-26T04:01:08.560-08:002016-11-26T04:01:08.560-08:00Sample ID HG 7278990/S10054 8337108/M8363 22442159...Sample ID HG 7278990/S10054 8337108/M8363 22442159/ZS4440<br />REFSEQ G G G <br />YF07201 R-V88* A A T<br />The proof that YF07201 is FTDNA 431539, Sexton<br />_b2. R1b-V88* 431539 George Sexton, d ~1689, Westfield MA Unknown Origin R-PF6290 <br />13 24 15 10 13-15 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 12 26 15 19 28 12-12-15-17 11 11 21-24 15 13 16 18 34-35 12 11 10 8 15-15 8 11 10 8 11 9 12 22-22 16 12 Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17249712629901397472016-11-26T03:33:59.587-08:002016-11-26T03:33:59.587-08:00I am not an expert in the field, I am in learning....I am not an expert in the field, I am in learning. I hope you can use this data. Thanks!<br /><br />Spanish people id gedmatch:<br /><br />ID I0410, Els Trocs, Iberia, 5.100 ybp, M641265<br /><br />Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 150 SNPs<br />Mismatch-bunching Limit = 75 SNPs<br />Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM<br /><br />Country, id, "Largest Segment(Ravaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261269940509224233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17922397904858957632016-11-26T02:17:29.248-08:002016-11-26T02:17:29.248-08:00@Aram,
just go to http://shulaveri2bellbeaker.blog...@Aram,<br />just go to http://shulaveri2bellbeaker.blogs.sapo.pt/ and Ctrl F to "Egypt (Stay up North!)". Its one of the supplements.<br /><br />around middle of that suplement I start adressing Farafa oasis, Nabta and moving into sub-Saharan Africa.<br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65613885212951017602016-11-26T00:44:33.566-08:002016-11-26T00:44:33.566-08:00Thanks @ Simon_W, thanks Davidski!!!
RegardsThanks @ Simon_W, thanks Davidski!!!<br /><br />RegardsRavaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261269940509224233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36859219518617136472016-11-26T00:28:43.102-08:002016-11-26T00:28:43.102-08:00@ capra internetensis
"That age would fit an...@ capra internetensis<br /><br />"That age would fit an initial spread of Y8447 still during the second, pastoralist-dominated phase of the Green Sahara. From the inadequate data presently available the FGC20973 branch looks predominantly Semitic and the Y7111 branch mainly African, so a spread between the Near East and Northeast Africa at this time would make sense. I don't know about Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76915252549326683352016-11-25T21:00:05.435-08:002016-11-25T21:00:05.435-08:00Olympos
I didn't read the Sao part. Can You g...Olympos<br /><br />I didn't read the Sao part. Can You give the link? But I think V88 is too old to be linked with Sao.Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.com