tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post690594704847890770..comments2024-03-28T02:40:18.114-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: For a typical West Eurasian PCA, the Epipaleolithic is the final frontierDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61427039380131218032018-11-08T17:52:28.225-08:002018-11-08T17:52:28.225-08:00Roman Brits?
The most interesting thing about t...Roman Brits? <br /><br />The most interesting thing about this PCA is that in a sample of 6 Roman Brits, one seems to be straight from Saudi Arabia. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17712285884692529712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77637889537144588052017-01-20T12:39:18.041-08:002017-01-20T12:39:18.041-08:00Ryukendo kendow which WHG specimen exactly doesn&#...Ryukendo kendow which WHG specimen exactly doesn't show this Han pull?<br />A majority if not all of WHGs indeed seem to be ANE/Siberian-like ENA admixed and/or east asian admixed.<br />http://www.molgen.org/eng/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2119&sid=a257a5737ccd35de6154f51f00cc0cb7<br /><br />The type of basal eurasian in Kostenki can be some kind of protoaustraloid thst's why it doesn'Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30052195654236738592016-05-20T06:43:56.671-07:002016-05-20T06:43:56.671-07:00Lol, Celtjews... FYI, the W in my nickname stands ...Lol, Celtjews... FYI, the W in my nickname stands for Waldmeier, and I wasn't saying this from a Jewish perspective. (According to 23andme I've got 0.1% Ashkenazi admixture - not something that can influence one's perspective and perception of identity, even if real.) I do find antisemitic attitudes silly, but that's even more off-topic than my original comment, so I'll stop Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48514430529954408032016-05-20T06:19:28.365-07:002016-05-20T06:19:28.365-07:00Simon_W[iesenthal?]
I should write a long letter f...Simon_W[iesenthal?]<br />I should write a long letter for explaining all my thought and the tests I am waiting for about many Y and mt lines, but I am tired. Another time I quoted a letter to my friend Dartraighe, and the same I do now. Who wants to understand...<br /><br />Dartraighe, I am following, even though on the only Activity Streaming, i.e. only the first line, all what the same CeltjewsGioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10831904404633478432016-05-20T05:43:15.478-07:002016-05-20T05:43:15.478-07:00@Gioiello
I disagree with you about DNA.land, I d...@Gioiello<br /><br />I disagree with you about DNA.land, I don't think it's that bad. Their new autosomal ancestry analysis does have its shortcomings and flaws and it's not the best thing available, but I still find it a useful complement. Just one that has to be taken with great caution. The component they call "Mediterranean Islander" is based on samples from Sicily, Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76553209198950512812016-05-04T20:02:35.633-07:002016-05-04T20:02:35.633-07:00"let me once again suggest the Persian Gulf -..."let me once again suggest the Persian Gulf - mostly dry land until some 8,000 years ago"<br /><br />I read somewhere once that wetlands make for the highest HG pop density and if you imagine where all the wetlands would be in the LGM then I imagine most would be those parts that later flooded<br />- adriatic<br />- aegean<br />- doggerland<br />- persian gulf<br />etc<br /><br />so Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64118741263956013212016-05-04T18:32:09.691-07:002016-05-04T18:32:09.691-07:00@ Kristiina:
"I would presume that C1a and ...@ Kristiina: <br /><br />"I would presume that C1a and C1b took a different route to Europe and were autosomally different". <br /><br />Almost certainly so. In fact likely C1a north of the Tibetan Plateau and C1b south of it. Because: <br /><br />"my point was to pay attention to the branching of C1 to C1a and C1b c. 48 000 years ago. Maybe that branching happened in Central terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70366245060398881292016-05-04T11:11:14.589-07:002016-05-04T11:11:14.589-07:00Ok, all clarified, in fact Nirjhar007 said not bei...Ok, all clarified, in fact Nirjhar007 said not being parasar and I apologized with him, and with you too now. You know that I have no access to Anthrogenica after they banned me and I lost a little the contacts.Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75801684337644170132016-05-04T11:10:31.928-07:002016-05-04T11:10:31.928-07:00,"If you look at tree modelling they arrive a...<i>,"If you look at tree modelling they arrive at WHG being a mix of predominantly new invading population and older survivors related to Goyet and Iberian refugium. <br />This would explain why ENFs can be modeled as WHG plus something else as they have absorbed WHG-related West Asian group on their way across Middle East to Europe."</i><br /><br />As far as I know, ENFs in central Arch Hadeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00679577049261430513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80772416952345697552016-05-04T10:45:35.441-07:002016-05-04T10:45:35.441-07:00Re: “but I would thank here Nirjhar007/parasar, an...Re: “but I would thank here Nirjhar007/parasar, an Indian who exchanged some letters with me on Anthrogenica and elsewhere, even though I said always to him that Indian Indo-European R1a weren't born in India, as you believed and hoped, but came from the Russian plain" <br /><br />Gioiello, <br /><br />I don't know if you are conflating Nirjhar007 with me (parasar), but just to APhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09934397498634833316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25344844464027055352016-05-04T10:09:30.581-07:002016-05-04T10:09:30.581-07:00@Shaikorth
WRT the differences in Neanderthal ad...@Shaikorth <br /><br />WRT the differences in Neanderthal admixtures. Could this be misinterpreted as an AMH admixture? Say, something that would be misinterpreted as BE? <br /><br />@Chad and RK<br /><br />Take a look at figure 4b: All WHG that show elevated East-Asian affinity also show elevated American affinity. That does look like ANE admixture. Unlike Goyet116-1, which also shows elevated Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85520615549284010242016-05-04T09:30:18.819-07:002016-05-04T09:30:18.819-07:00I have a feeling WHG is a mix of GoyetQ, AfontovaG...I have a feeling WHG is a mix of GoyetQ, AfontovaGora, and something well "West" of WHG, from West Asia.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42323835466981500242016-05-04T08:37:43.389-07:002016-05-04T08:37:43.389-07:00@FrankN
"1. "We also find that the ~33,...@FrankN<br /><br />"1. "We also find that the ~33,000-year-old Muierii2 from<br />Romania carries a basal version of haplogroup U6, in agreement<br />with the hypothesis that the presence of derived versions of this<br />haplogroup in North Africans today is due to back-migration from<br />western Eurasia." Interesting."<br /><br />Very interesting. People have been ignoring Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42390168327089084802016-05-04T08:02:56.289-07:002016-05-04T08:02:56.289-07:00@Epoch: Thx for the reference to David Reich's...@Epoch: Thx for the reference to David Reich's side.<br /><br />After looking at the main paper, a few more takeaways:<br /><br />1. <i>"We also find that the ~33,000-year-old Muierii2 from<br />Romania carries a basal version of haplogroup U6, in agreement<br />with the hypothesis that the presence of derived versions of this<br />haplogroup in North Africans today is due to FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88173700827602879502016-05-04T07:46:42.106-07:002016-05-04T07:46:42.106-07:00@Kristiina
I wouldn't be so sure about a gene...@Kristiina<br /><br />I wouldn't be so sure about a genetic link between these cultures.<br /><br />However, all evidence points to the Basal Eurasians being near the Fertile Crescent and/or Northern Africa and having a long history of semi-sedentary living based on a pre-farming lifestyle.<br /><br />Excesses of wild plants and animals were collected and preserved and stockpiled whenever Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38751711329846410162016-05-04T07:23:01.234-07:002016-05-04T07:23:01.234-07:00I read the Wikipedia article on Natufian Culture a...I read the Wikipedia article on Natufian Culture and, in particular, "Precursors and associated cultures". Natufian Culture is dated 12500-9500 BC and its precursors fit Satsurblia's timeframe. There are clear indications that Natufian Culture and its precursors had links to Africa, and we should also take note of the Afro-Asiatic language family and its distribution. We even have aKristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56205344128070960092016-05-04T06:56:35.477-07:002016-05-04T06:56:35.477-07:00I'm putting together a couple of datasets now....I'm putting together a couple of datasets now. It really depends on marker overlaps. Don't know about Dutch and Swedes yet, but definitely Norwegians and Lithuanians. Bosnians are almost southern Euros, so they won't produce any spectacular stats in this context. I should be up and running tomorrow.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71235712428484801492016-05-04T06:15:36.613-07:002016-05-04T06:15:36.613-07:00@Matt
"For the Vestonice "Gravettian&qu...@Matt<br /><br />"For the Vestonice "Gravettian" cluster it's even worse, since they don't seem to contribute to Villabruna or even El Miron at all."<br /><br />The paper says it didn't find any conclusive evidence for what three founding populations of Villabrunna were, although they have hints. Table 5.6 in de supplementary info shows D(Goyet116-1, Vestonice16; Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16630919839526331482016-05-04T05:57:30.099-07:002016-05-04T05:57:30.099-07:00@Davidski
"I can analyze them with formal st...@Davidski<br /><br />"I can analyze them with formal statistics, and promise to do so vigorously in the coming weeks."<br /><br />The papers extende daat table 6 (The whole paper is available fro david reichs site) has a number of D-stats with these ice age genomes in the form of D(Han, Test; French, Mbuti). It may be interesting to see if the patterns visible there are repeated by Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69354502462402931102016-05-04T05:55:31.870-07:002016-05-04T05:55:31.870-07:00Shaikorth, I stand corrected, but my point was to ...Shaikorth, I stand corrected, but my point was to pay attention to the branching of C1 to C1a and C1b c. 48 000 years ago. Maybe that branching happened in Central Asia and not in the Near East as C is (nearly) absent from Africa. C1a ended up in Europe and Japan while C1b prevailed in the south and reached Australia very soon and seems to have disappeared from Europe. According to yfull, K(xLT) Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40762922427768274562016-05-04T05:05:58.563-07:002016-05-04T05:05:58.563-07:00Frank N
Thanks for clarifying. Not much to disagr...Frank N<br /><br />Thanks for clarifying. Not much to disagree with then, if we ascribe the phenomena to the Epi-Gravettian sensu latu. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14274044886434729882016-05-04T04:52:04.814-07:002016-05-04T04:52:04.814-07:00@Kristiina
Kostenki has no particular genetic aff...@Kristiina<br /><br />Kostenki has no particular genetic affinity to South Indian or Southeast Asian or Oceanian populations, that was an old theory based on his bone morphology.Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1907802706018978852016-05-04T04:47:20.795-07:002016-05-04T04:47:20.795-07:00On the "Basal Eurasian", let me once aga...On the "Basal Eurasian", let me once again suggest the Persian Gulf - mostly dry land until some 8,000 years ago. A prime stopover along the coastal route out of Africa, and, in contrast to most of the Indian subcontinent, far enough away from Lake Toba to offer a reasonable survival chance when that volcano erupted. Reaching the (lesser) Caucasus from there isn't too dificult - FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14317320085775588532016-05-04T04:37:27.471-07:002016-05-04T04:37:27.471-07:00As for yDNA C, in the Palaeolithic Europe we have ...As for yDNA C, in the Palaeolithic Europe we have yDNA C1a (GoyetQ116 C1a Aurignacian, La Brana and Pavlov C1a2) and C1b (Kostenki14 C1b). According to yfull, C1a formed c. 48000 years ago. Today C1a is found (only?) in Europe and Japan, while C1b is much more widespread, covering Australian, Indonesian and Indian yDNA C1. MtDNA of Goyet C1a is M. I would presume that C1a and C1b took a differentKristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51981440728310888612016-05-04T04:26:06.414-07:002016-05-04T04:26:06.414-07:00@Alberto: "We have some 20 samples from Europ...@Alberto: <i>"We have some 20 samples from Europe from between 40,000-26,000 BP, and none of them is a WHG."</i><br />You have overlooked Pavlov 1, mtDNA U5, yDNA C1a2, ~30 kya. If he isn't WHG, La Brana (U5b2c1; C1a2) is neither.<br /><br /><i>- Then we have from 15,500-14,600 BP 6 Magdalenian samples, who seem to be an extinct type.</i><br />That would remain to be tested against FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.com