tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post7082066187291732307..comments2024-03-28T17:16:03.042-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: A homeland, but not the homelandDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger154125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21678123032150072452017-06-17T22:08:56.392-07:002017-06-17T22:08:56.392-07:00@ Davidski
"But sumerian itself was very sim...@ Davidski<br /><br />"But sumerian itself was very similar to IE languages and actually could well have been an IE language. The earliest writings there may actually have been in another language that was IE 'euphratic'.<br /><br />So it may have been IE originally and may have been a language isolate, or several language isolates.<br /><br />Nonsense".<br /><br />Davidski, to Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62543286860722727352017-06-17T18:12:28.016-07:002017-06-17T18:12:28.016-07:00But sumerian itself was very similar to IE languag...<i>But sumerian itself was very similar to IE languages and actually could well have been an IE language. The earliest writings there may actually have been in another language that was IE 'euphratic'.<br /><br />So it may have been IE originally and may have been a language isolate, or several language isolates.</i><br /><br />Nonsense.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52148339369159485052017-06-17T13:07:41.870-07:002017-06-17T13:07:41.870-07:00We know what spread from there eventually, semitic...We know what spread from there eventually, semitic languages, but I doubt it originated there. But sumerian itself was very similar to IE languages and actually could well have been an IE language. The earliest writings there may actually have been in another language that was IE 'euphratic'.<br /><br />So it may have been IE originally and may have been a language isolate, or several Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29153445358437139632017-06-16T10:55:15.962-07:002017-06-16T10:55:15.962-07:00>Which Natufians? Those hg E or those with the ...>Which Natufians? Those hg E or those with the massive injection of hg J from Caucasus or perhaps Europe?<br /><br />Those with E of course. Lazaridis showed EEF had a lot of neolithic levantine-like ancestry. EEF and Natufians were closely related populations and modern Sardinians share more genetic drift with Natufians than modern Saudis and Bedouins do or any other modern population for Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86804942882404812152017-06-11T20:37:06.324-07:002017-06-11T20:37:06.324-07:00@ Unknown
">For what I know from the lit...@ Unknown <br /><br />">For what I know from the literature on the argument, the first to hypothesize that the EEF from Northern Anatolia and Aegean Sea were the "Etruscans" was I in a letter to the great Dutch linguist Schrjiver who wrote some paper thinking having demonstrated that they speak Hattic, but my theory is that they had nothing to do with "Natufians" Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32238069493964783442017-06-11T14:32:16.135-07:002017-06-11T14:32:16.135-07:00>For what I know from the literature on the arg...<br /><br />>For what I know from the literature on the argument, the first to hypothesize that the EEF from Northern Anatolia and Aegean Sea were the "Etruscans" was I in a letter to the great Dutch linguist Schrjiver who wrote some paper thinking having demonstrated that they speak Hattic, but my theory is that they had nothing to do with "Natufians" neither Iran as we Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88480701470513122762017-06-06T15:34:12.284-07:002017-06-06T15:34:12.284-07:00@For the king
I already posted a lot of artwork a...@For the king<br /><br />I already posted a lot of artwork above. Here some more:<br />http://www.iranreview.org/file/cms/images/stories/14128.jpg (Sassanid Noblewoman)<br />http://www.iranreview.org/file/cms/images/stories/14119.jpg (Sassanid Noblewoman and some old dude)<br />http://m7.i.pbase.com/o6/93/329493/1/141565877.yWj7z2QG.UZTM112501.jpg (Noble)<br /><br /><br />"Darius III, the Varahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034396078823795105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90779808415241283152017-06-06T14:25:30.309-07:002017-06-06T14:25:30.309-07:00@vara, you should generally ignore historians when...@vara, you should generally ignore historians when it comes to phenotypes. Artwork is much more representatives of actual phenotypes. There are many historians that described Iranic nomads such as the Scythians/Sarmatians as swarthy and dark-haired, while other said that they were light. Light vs dark is a very subjective matter. <br /><br /><br />Darius III, the last Achaemenid Persian Shah For the kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11512190546601297966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10958861531769654662017-06-06T02:01:31.789-07:002017-06-06T02:01:31.789-07:00Does anyone know if Anatolia Neolithic has IranNeo...Does anyone know if Anatolia Neolithic has IranNeo or CHG admixture? According Lazaridis it's IranN but I think the existence of CHG wasn't discovered yet then.<br /><br />http://i.imgur.com/JhmtF4J.jpgUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1924762197916074412017-06-05T15:33:21.101-07:002017-06-05T15:33:21.101-07:00>North caucasians tend to be as cherrypicked al...>North caucasians tend to be as cherrypicked almost as much as Berbers. Despite their steppe admixture, they aren't considerbaly lighter than Lebanese and many Syrians by any standard. <br /><br />Depends on North Caucasians in question. Circassian slaves were considered white like Europeans by Turks. So Circassians might be ligter than some darker South Europeans such as Greeks and Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82740080583641800172017-06-05T10:28:44.716-07:002017-06-05T10:28:44.716-07:00@Salden
"You seem really invested in this i...@Salden <br /><br />"You seem really invested in this imaginary Eastern European Persian population that was mysteriously dissapeared. You wouldn't say you Wuz Kangz, would you?"<br /><br />More strawmen, please. I never said Persians were European looking because Europeans are ruddy and blonde. Persians were never described as blonde. <br /><br />" I'd say the Russian Varahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034396078823795105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80876706340466028112017-06-05T04:24:12.479-07:002017-06-05T04:24:12.479-07:00Vara,
We shouldn't look to Sassanian royalty(...Vara,<br /><br />We shouldn't look to Sassanian royalty(let alone preceding Achamenian nobility) to get an idea of how the average inhabitant would have looked like. They were relatively endogamous and likely had above average steppe ancestry. That's like looking to Jatt Sikhs to get an idea of how Punjabi dalits might look like.<br /><br />Many ancient accounts were notoriously erroneousAnthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48560951062504615132017-06-05T04:02:08.156-07:002017-06-05T04:02:08.156-07:00@Sein:
Yeah, that supervised admix scheme could a...@Sein:<br /><br />Yeah, that supervised admix scheme could actually work. It would be best to do this for populations w/moderate sample sizes like bell beakers and LBK. Also, it might be necessary to fiddle with individual alleles somehow----so as to put more weight on some than on others based on how dramatic the resulting change in look is. This would be somewhat subjective but necessary for Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47467975958186217032017-06-04T22:51:14.758-07:002017-06-04T22:51:14.758-07:00Don't get too personal.
"However, I don&...Don't get too personal.<br /><br />"However, I don't think we can compare modern day populations with prehistoric ones."<br /><br />^ that's what I'm trying to show.Varahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034396078823795105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75756514549988219582017-06-04T22:44:48.398-07:002017-06-04T22:44:48.398-07:00"Realistic artwork was done long before the R..."Realistic artwork was done long before the Renaissance."<br /> I'm not sure what you consider realistic. What was not realistic about the artwork? They didn't have ghost skin for sure.<br /><br />"Men are also depicted with the snow skin look. See Miyamoto Musashi:"<br />Fair enough.<br /><br />"Still the Zoroastrians."<br />Doesn't matter. I was Varahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034396078823795105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73221365462253695722017-06-04T21:53:54.992-07:002017-06-04T21:53:54.992-07:00You ignored the quotes I posted and I can't fi...You ignored the quotes I posted and I can't find you a Renaissance artist who lived during that time. What matters is how they depicted themselves. And the Geishas wear makeup which gives them that look.<br /><br />Parsis aren't Sassanid Era Persians and many of them even descend from Safavid Persians. We only have one mention of the earliest Zoroastrian migrants who were from the Varahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034396078823795105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35341896156012055402017-06-04T21:19:15.090-07:002017-06-04T21:19:15.090-07:00From the Bundahishn: "First of the human spec...From the Bundahishn: "First of the human species Gayomard was produced, brilliant and white, with eyes which looked out for the great one"<br /><br />Also, one more thing, in the Shahnameh evil men are described as dusky with hooked noses and that contradicts what the Greeks have said.Varahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034396078823795105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13576953929782280592017-06-04T21:11:01.678-07:002017-06-04T21:11:01.678-07:00@Unknown
"Modern Iranians may have more ASI ...@Unknown<br /><br />"Modern Iranians may have more ASI than during the Sassanid era. They mixed with other middle eastern, south and central asian populations and light skin is recessive so their dark skin frequencies could have increased since ancient times."<br /><br />We still don't know how much the Iranian Plateau was changed by the Arab and the Turko-Mongol invasions, but Varahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034396078823795105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34386969369490597042017-06-04T20:33:13.276-07:002017-06-04T20:33:13.276-07:00I'm not sure if you've seen the Russian Wr...<br />I'm not sure if you've seen the Russian Wrestling team. North Caucasians are literally the palest people on Earth.<br /><br />North Caucasians have dark and lighter types. I remember seeing some study that showed Poles being the lightest in Europe and the World on average.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83499337365780178832017-06-04T20:27:10.726-07:002017-06-04T20:27:10.726-07:00>However, I don't think we can compare mode...<br />>However, I don't think we can compare modern day populations with prehistoric ones. Persians for example were described as tall and pale, by the Greco-Romans, even in the Sassanid mosaics and textiles they are, yet modern day Iranians aren't tall or pale. <br /><br />Modern Iranians may have more ASI than during the Sassanid era. They mixed with other middle eastern, south and Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52290642702266139382017-06-04T20:05:18.368-07:002017-06-04T20:05:18.368-07:00@Samuel Andrews
"He had a huge nose bridge an...@Samuel Andrews<br />"He had a huge nose bridge and a thin nose. That's what the stero typical Jewish nose is, I think it could be a legacy of IranNeo."<br /><br />Actually history tells us the hooked nose was a big thing in the Iranian Plateau.<br /><br />"The Persians affect such as are hawk-nosed and think them most beautiful, because Cyrus, the most beloved of their kings, Varahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034396078823795105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34784643433932895642017-06-04T15:19:08.791-07:002017-06-04T15:19:08.791-07:00>So I think looking at some intermediate period...<br /><br />>So I think looking at some intermediate period will ensure that what we're looking for is, uh, caught in the act!"<br />One idea I've been chewing over: a supervised ADMIXTURE test, using only SNPs implicated in cranio-facial morphology + pigmentation.<br />Basically, the idea would be to use ancient populations as fixed references, and see if modern populations can Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16195415048197838612017-06-04T13:59:48.685-07:002017-06-04T13:59:48.685-07:00@Anthro Survey
"So I think looking at some i...@Anthro Survey<br /><br />"So I think looking at some intermediate period will ensure that what we're looking for is, uh, caught in the act!"<br /><br />One idea I've been chewing over: a supervised ADMIXTURE test, using only SNPs implicated in cranio-facial morphology + pigmentation.<br /><br />Basically, the idea would be to use ancient populations as fixed references, and seeSeinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51307986999330035332017-06-04T12:27:38.086-07:002017-06-04T12:27:38.086-07:00@Unknown,
"Yeah it looks like indeed most Eur...@Unknown,<br />"Yeah it looks like indeed most Europeans have more EEF than CHG but if so why Europeans generaly plot closer to Iranians than Levantines on PCAs?"<br /><br />In the classic West Eurasian PCA WHG, Natufian, and EEF are in the western edge and EHG, CHG, IranNeo are in the eastern edge. <br /><br />Northern Europeans are about 50% far-western(WHG, EEF). The other 50% pulls Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54125614075562733512017-06-03T23:48:08.720-07:002017-06-03T23:48:08.720-07:00https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g-cEJmS9cZ...<br />https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g-cEJmS9cZ6r-_9p0qj1f2qszxiJbactk89DOd0TlHg/edit#gid=1320636554<br /><br />Could someone knowledgeable try to make a similar table to the one above but with ANE, East Asian based on Lake Baikal/Devil's Gate HG, Natufian, Iran Neo, Ust'-Ishim and without Nganasan.(Keep CHG, WHG, EHG, Onge)<br /><br />Yeah it looks like indeed most Europeans Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595025984675876037noreply@blogger.com