tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post7172807478505305515..comments2024-03-28T11:48:42.197-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Parallel migrations in brown bears and humans within EurasiaDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27598249357723793622016-05-27T07:43:57.658-07:002016-05-27T07:43:57.658-07:00@Rob @Krefter
There's no need to be snippy or...@Rob @Krefter<br /><br />There's no need to be snippy or too brash. Mostly because these are words that almost nobody uses.<br /><br />Seriously. If anyone wants to start an argument, please direct it at me. I love arguing, but I have never quite gotten the hang of starting arguments. Usually people just ignore me.Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74970307326117219352016-05-23T22:13:45.715-07:002016-05-23T22:13:45.715-07:00Krefter
I'm not concerned about what definit...Krefter <br /><br />I'm not concerned about what definitions you wish to caste for the geography of the ancient world, as we all understand terms are relative. But Greece isn't in the Near East, unless one is completely clueless. <br /><br />Like I said, if you wish to be understood better, you should work on your delivery. There is extra CHG in modern Spaniards over that which arrived Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29812807845624214152016-05-23T19:57:03.517-07:002016-05-23T19:57:03.517-07:00@Rob,
There's no need to be snippy. I don'...@Rob,<br /><br />There's no need to be snippy. I don't understand why you're angry and gave a long response anyways. <br /><br />"Before attempting any grand-hypotheses (or retorting others'), you should make significant investment into coming to grips with basic geography & history, not to mention comprehension, writing & grammar."<br /><br />Congratulations youKrefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19216413510307933472016-05-23T17:12:45.215-07:002016-05-23T17:12:45.215-07:00@ Krefter
@ Krefter
You need to go back and read...@ Krefter<br />@ Krefter<br /><br /><br />You need to go back and read my original statement, and properly digest that I was referring to a colonization from the Bronze Age Aegean or Anatolia, specifically to the said corner of southeast Iberia - El Agar. The paper I referenced clearly alludes to this, so whether <i>you</i> think it possible or not, is irrelevant, all the more given that you Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49761864014086365322016-05-23T13:10:09.756-07:002016-05-23T13:10:09.756-07:00Interesting abstract. IIRC moose colonized America...Interesting abstract. IIRC moose colonized America at the same time as humans did as well.<br /><br />I wonder if the 40 000 years means anything in particular? That would be around Greenland Stadial 9/Heinrich Event 4, which produced colder and stormier conditions (even by Ice Age standards) in Siberia as well as Europe. I don't know what effect this had on human occupation though. Seems toocapra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66563459828554845752016-05-23T10:30:51.023-07:002016-05-23T10:30:51.023-07:00@Rob,
Sorry I should have been more clear. By &qu...@Rob,<br /><br />Sorry I should have been more clear. By "Near Eastern" admixture I mean post-3000 BC ancestry from the Near East. Near Eastern ancestry our Neolithic and Bronze age European genomes lack. Near Eastern admixture from people similar to the ones living there today. Ones that have minor CHG ancestry.<br /><br />There's no perfect way to accurately estimate CHG ancestry.Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15416461579872246352016-05-23T09:44:11.505-07:002016-05-23T09:44:11.505-07:00While, for example, Northern-Central French people...While, for example, Northern-Central French people would be:<br />47% EEF (partly WHG, partly basal)<br />36% Yamnaya (partly CHG)<br />11% extra WHG<br />3% extra CHG<br /><br />And Southern French people:<br />55% EEF<br />22% Yamnaya<br />15% extra WHG<br />3.5% extra CHG<br /><br />So, there's an interesting gradation there. Cossuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00504867599625947101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87590599527403142802016-05-23T06:08:53.953-07:002016-05-23T06:08:53.953-07:00Actually, accoding to http://eurogenes.blogspot.co...Actually, accoding to http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.es/2016/03/d-statsnmonte-open-thread.html, Spaniards are mostly:<br /><br />56% EEF (which itself is partly WHG, and partly basal)<br />20-30% Yamnaya (which itself is partly CHG)<br />10-12% extra WHG<br />2-6% extra CHG<br /><br />Cossuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00504867599625947101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3076014008491171802016-05-23T05:24:31.049-07:002016-05-23T05:24:31.049-07:00@ Krefter
"There's CHG in SouthWest Asia...@ Krefter<br /><br />"There's CHG in SouthWest Asia but I'm pretty sure it is small. The Near Eastern ancestry in Iberia, if it is there(which I think it is), had little CHG."<br /><br />I'm not sure if I understand your sentence, but there is some 20% CHG in Spaniards, no ?<br />That's not small, and I was not suggesting it came from 'SouthWest Asia" <br />And Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69629984992501946742016-05-23T04:59:57.891-07:002016-05-23T04:59:57.891-07:00Its a global collaboration , with no chances taken...Its a global collaboration , with no chances taken on the authenticity of the results.Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82978063228900800772016-05-23T04:50:33.503-07:002016-05-23T04:50:33.503-07:00@Rob,
"? perhaps related to arrival of J2/ CH...@Rob,<br />"? perhaps related to arrival of J2/ CHG people"<br /><br />There's CHG in SouthWest Asia but I'm pretty sure it is small. The Near Eastern ancestry in Iberia, if it is there(which I think it is), had little CHG.Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9208065715055381152016-05-23T00:50:56.985-07:002016-05-23T00:50:56.985-07:00I think they screwed up in that article, but not t...I think they screwed up in that article, but not that badly; what they probably mean is not Howard University, but Howard Hughes Medical Institute at Harvard.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80007904820435761682016-05-23T00:23:36.850-07:002016-05-23T00:23:36.850-07:00By the way...
15 skeletons found at Harappan site...By the way...<br /><br />15 skeletons found at Harappan site in Hisar’s Rakhigarhi village<br /><br />http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/haryana/15-skeletons-found-at-harappan-site-in-hisar-s-rakhigarhi-village/221923.html<br /><br /><i>The sources said excavators had opened 20 graves and skeletons had been found in 15 of them. They said DNA samples were being sent to the laboratories for Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80861548009529763722016-05-22T23:51:45.118-07:002016-05-22T23:51:45.118-07:00Pain in the ass more like it.
Ideally, there shou...Pain in the ass more like it.<br /><br />Ideally, there should be an ancient genomes database online that is updated regularly as soon as new samples are sequenced.<br /><br />But the problem is that no one's going to fund anything like that for the time being, because if they're going to spend, say, $200K on sequencing new samples, they'll want to first put out a paper and get some Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9009868137198857002016-05-22T23:38:47.897-07:002016-05-22T23:38:47.897-07:00A worthy wait ....A worthy wait ....Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45191875521602143812016-05-22T23:07:46.286-07:002016-05-22T23:07:46.286-07:00I'm betting that ancient DNA project on Iberia...I'm betting that ancient DNA project on Iberian population history includes samples from El Agar, or it should anyway. But from memory it's scheduled to be completed in 2018, or something like that. So unless they put out some papers as they're going along, we might be waiting a long time.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19169261299460510052016-05-22T22:34:49.298-07:002016-05-22T22:34:49.298-07:00Sorry, not related to Polar Bears, but a very inte...Sorry, not related to Polar Bears, but a very interesting article about Iberia : <br />https://www.academia.edu/23462994/Transition_and_conflict_at_the_end_of_the_3rd_millennium_BC_in_south_Iberia<br /><br />It suggests if there was ever a suggestion of migration to southern Iberia after the Neolithic, but before proto-historic periods (eg Phoencians), then 2200 BC, with the advent of the El AgarRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47972295006659231182016-05-22T11:48:03.236-07:002016-05-22T11:48:03.236-07:00very cool - i like this kind of sideways approachvery cool - i like this kind of sideways approachGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36673362831258384702016-05-22T06:47:47.631-07:002016-05-22T06:47:47.631-07:00See here...
http://www.academia.edu/24317975/Sudd...See here...<br /><br />http://www.academia.edu/24317975/Sudden_expansion_of_a_single_brown_bear_maternal_lineage_across_northern_continental_Eurasia_after_the_last_ice_age_a_general_demographic_model_for_mammalsDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59212862275157590872016-05-22T06:32:44.951-07:002016-05-22T06:32:44.951-07:00Interesting stuff. I hope they have a system Brown...Interesting stuff. I hope they have a system Brown bear mtDNA markers like human mtDNA. Something to keep in mind is Bears mature much younger than humans. So 40,000 years for them is about 200,000 years for humans. All human mtDNA/Y DNA comes from two lines when you go that far back.Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.com