tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post7177888000736927032..comments2024-03-28T14:19:30.168-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Khazar shmazarDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78392728725047650842014-03-03T18:32:15.243-08:002014-03-03T18:32:15.243-08:00Who likes my new profile picture? If it wasn't...Who likes my new profile picture? If it wasn't for him I wouldn't have Y DNA R1b L11(probably Df27).Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57275164306617426832014-03-01T05:02:40.235-08:002014-03-01T05:02:40.235-08:00@ Kapak:
I haven't seen many recent papers abo...@ Kapak:<br />I haven't seen many recent papers about Hungarians but there are two by Kovácsné Csa´nyi; one in 2008 and a Phd thesis 2009. Interesting but outdated by now, I'm sure. One needs to take all of these estimates with a grain of salt. But you're right for the most part Hungarians seem to be Central-East Euro with some Med; However the Magyar spirit lives on -- brother Sgthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16100985760343933246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53221968954682289302014-02-28T23:10:51.752-08:002014-02-28T23:10:51.752-08:00"Maybe; but nobody is telling the Hungarians ..."Maybe; but nobody is telling the Hungarians all they have from the Magyars is language and ~3% of the genetics :) -- Point being why so much intensity to the issue of AJ ancestry?"<br /><br />Not that I disagree with the point you're trying to get across, I just have to say this regarding Hungarians:<br /><br />Hungarians are 1% East-Asian/Siberian..... Ancient Magyars and various Kapakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07370390396474454072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41560649101100261332014-02-28T14:37:56.345-08:002014-02-28T14:37:56.345-08:00The Khazar hypothesis never made sense as the Jews...The Khazar hypothesis never made sense as the Jews in the Crimea were allies of the Turkic tribes like the Khazars so after the destruction of Byzantium by the Turkic tribes the obvious direction for Jews to go was *towards* the new Ottoman state not the completely opposite direction.<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5286475484205105342014-02-28T10:20:34.444-08:002014-02-28T10:20:34.444-08:00Dnatribes state AJ origins bordering on Czech, pol...Dnatribes state AJ origins bordering on Czech, polish and slovak areas.<br /><br />But then its too far from SJewsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987364695309918162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82292016618251146232014-02-27T19:33:22.738-08:002014-02-27T19:33:22.738-08:00The problem is Judea was a kingdom since at least ...The problem is Judea was a kingdom since at least 900s bc, so before any other putative pop that is compared with (Italians, Arabs, and N Eurppeans). Their ethnogenesis was later, after breakup of Israel/Judah as far as anyone knows. <br /><br />Others like ancient Assyria are long gone, so who knows if any modern pop really represents them. Best clues might be in places beyond the reach of easy About Timehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09236048173229545609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80227834076979013942014-02-27T16:19:24.927-08:002014-02-27T16:19:24.927-08:00The Khazar hypothesis is currently dying a horribl...The Khazar hypothesis is currently dying a horrible death.<br /><br />One of the best arguments in Behar et al's pre-print is that if were were to take Armenians & Georgians as a surrogate Khazar population (which makes no sense, but for argument's sense we'll try), the Iranian-Iraqi-Georgian Jewish cluster obviously is more "Khazar" than the Sephardi-Ashkenazi cluster.<Arte Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15823465734599274046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32855062025703593792014-02-27T15:10:21.426-08:002014-02-27T15:10:21.426-08:00Lloyd,
Please post your questions at the link bel...Lloyd,<br /><br />Please post your questions at the link below, and I'll reply later today. Thanks<br /><br />http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2013/11/updated-eurogenes-k13-at-gedmatch.htmlDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41398528222159621542014-02-27T14:11:08.651-08:002014-02-27T14:11:08.651-08:00Dear "Davidski",
I am an FTDNA client w...Dear "Davidski",<br /><br />I am an FTDNA client who just discovered your various Eurogenes programs on gedmatch. I was a bit skeptical at first from simply reading the admixture results, but I was amazed to discover your Oracle functions, which look stunningly precise and relevant. Plus, I can see by reading this blog that you are incredibly knowledgeable about human genetics.<br />I Lloydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09162269185505942860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23269624813139997792014-02-27T08:11:09.781-08:002014-02-27T08:11:09.781-08:00Since people never do their own homework, here are...Since people never do their own homework, here are dates:<br /><br />Battle of Khaybar 629 AD<br />Islamic conquest of Persia 633-654 AD<br />Khazar state 618?-648? AD<br /><br />Conceivably some people went to a Khazaria earlier because things were going sour long before Khaybar (which again was a major turning point in Islamic conquests). After Khaybar, even the dummies who failed to see the About Timehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09236048173229545609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47909408313571134112014-02-27T07:14:07.155-08:002014-02-27T07:14:07.155-08:00The Khazar hypothesis is popular because it appeal...The Khazar hypothesis is popular because it appeals to people who want to deny the Jewishness of European Jews. The biggest proponents tend to be in the Muslim world who can't believe "those European people" could possibly be the real McCoy after all this time.<br /><br />There was a real Khazar state. It was multiethnic and not homogeneous. Probably some people fleeing Islamic About Timehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09236048173229545609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72656801686477722732014-02-27T05:52:46.986-08:002014-02-27T05:52:46.986-08:00I honestly don't care. I'm as objective on...I honestly don't care. I'm as objective on this issue as anyone you'll ever find.<br /><br />Khazar shmazar, I say.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2979670014346673922014-02-27T05:38:00.570-08:002014-02-27T05:38:00.570-08:00Maybe; but nobody is telling the Hungarians all th...Maybe; but nobody is telling the Hungarians all they have from the Magyars is language and ~3% of the genetics :) -- Point being why so much intensity to the issue of AJ ancestry?Sgthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16100985760343933246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3967292630621819882014-02-27T05:07:52.811-08:002014-02-27T05:07:52.811-08:00Yeah, OK, but Ashkenazi Jews can't be compared...Yeah, OK, but Ashkenazi Jews can't be compared to someone who's Norwegian/Saudi. They do cluster with several other Jewish groups on different PCA and across different dimensions, and this isn't just a happy coincidence.<br /><br />Also, those positive East European and North Caucasus-like signals you're seeing aren't really surprising, because Ashkenazi Jews do seem to have Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58149040148934705432014-02-27T04:28:01.665-08:002014-02-27T04:28:01.665-08:001. Endogamy was imposed by outside forces. Whereve...1. Endogamy was imposed by outside forces. Wherever the Caliphate became established or a nation adopted the Nicene creed intermarriage with Jews became a capital offence. Lithuania did not full become fully Christian until the 15th Century which may explain why I see longer IBD lengths between AJ and Lithuanians compared to Middle-Easterners or Tuscans {recency}.<br /><br />2. Admixture. By yourSgthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16100985760343933246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84421273586617691482014-02-27T04:22:55.149-08:002014-02-27T04:22:55.149-08:00Ashkenazi Jews pull away from Southeast Europeans ...Ashkenazi Jews pull away from Southeast Europeans on PCA in the lesser dimensions because they're basically like an extended family. But they really don't differ very much from Southeast Europeans and even most other East Mediterranean groups in terms of overall genetic structure. So it's kind of like running a bunch of Italian second cousins on PCA, seeing that they cluster together Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82563575551562728402014-02-27T02:19:22.506-08:002014-02-27T02:19:22.506-08:00Thanks for your replyThanks for your replyHelgenes50https://www.blogger.com/profile/10048641344885582425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91155288252258486432014-02-27T01:32:33.839-08:002014-02-27T01:32:33.839-08:00This isn't really my area of interest, but per...This isn't really my area of interest, but persecution and shunning of Jews by European gentiles, including pogroms, are often mentioned in this context.<br /><br />That might be true in part, but basically what I think happened is that only small groups of Jews made it deep into Europe from the Mediterranean region, and these groups then isolated themselves from the locals because of Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51819995376691981452014-02-27T01:15:06.840-08:002014-02-27T01:15:06.840-08:00Do you have an idea of what caused the founder eff...Do you have an idea of what caused the founder effect in the Ashkenazi population ?<br /><br />In the oracles, Ashkenazi often are close to the Italians or Southern Italians.<br /><br />It's why we often read that they are descendants of Romans converted. <br />But is it not rather because they share a same East Mediterranean origin,<br />an origin much older<br />Helgenes50https://www.blogger.com/profile/10048641344885582425noreply@blogger.com