tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post7618535464736680861..comments2024-03-28T23:21:04.175-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Ancient Guanches genetically most similar to modern-day Berbers (Rodríguez-Varela et al. 2017)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82613891278731319692017-10-29T14:48:20.216-07:002017-10-29T14:48:20.216-07:00There is some plink or geno dataset, or only fastq...There is some plink or geno dataset, or only fastq?Lukaszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08133163538438260772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89139435447026604912017-10-29T13:19:20.791-07:002017-10-29T13:19:20.791-07:00Labayu: I assume the question could be addressed m...Labayu: <i>I assume the question could be addressed much better than the data here speaks to, but that’s what I meant by seeing some evidence of the opposite.</i> <br /><br />Yeah, this is true and it's not totally as clarified as it could be. <br /><br /><i>But judging by the various measures and the ADMIXTURE plot, it seem Guanches don’t have exactly the same admixture as modern North Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19330130868801858502017-10-29T11:59:10.043-07:002017-10-29T11:59:10.043-07:00@Matt
Thanks, although I didn’t understand that ...@Matt <br /><br />Thanks, although I didn’t understand that alone as an indication that Guanches do not have sub-Saharan ancestry. I caught that the explanation for the differences between the measures may in fact be that the various North African populations and Guanches are closest to each other (for the most part) but have minority ancestries from highly divergent sources. But judging by the Labayuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890868350476424197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81415470113416713122017-10-29T09:23:18.517-07:002017-10-29T09:23:18.517-07:00@Labayu: The point in that section is that Both ou...@Labayu: The point in that section is that <i>Both outgroup f3 statistics and average pairwise differences identify Sardinians as the population sharing the most drift with both modern North Africans and Guanches (Table S2). This is in stark contrast to our expectation that North Africans would cluster with other North Africans.</i>. <br /><br /><i>However, it replicates recent findings [21] Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13323103232836012282017-10-29T08:28:27.357-07:002017-10-29T08:28:27.357-07:00@André de Vasconcelos
Not seeing that as all. In ...@André de Vasconcelos<br /><br />Not seeing that as all. In fact the opposite:<br /><br />"However, outgroup f3 statistics [19] suggest that the Guanches share more genetic drift with non-African test populations than with African test populations, including Northwest African populations of Berber origin (Data S1, sheet 2). This observation is inconsistent with the PCA and the uniparental Labayuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890868350476424197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75550550798950087212017-10-29T07:53:47.722-07:002017-10-29T07:53:47.722-07:00^ yes, but the focus is always on the African/SSA ...^ yes, but the focus is always on the African/SSA for some reason, despite the fact other things too make Berbers distinct in the modern West Eurasian variation (less ANE-like for instance). Anyway, while these samples aren't very old, they strongly suggest remarkable continuity in the region. That was already obvious with autosomal data from modern Northwest Africans which does not show - idurarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05604185733037820498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68909691270427926312017-10-29T06:28:08.851-07:002017-10-29T06:28:08.851-07:00Doesn't this seem to hint that SSA was present...Doesn't this seem to hint that SSA was present in north Africa before the Arab slave trade?André de Vasconceloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14661586310311442995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27750106283727533172017-10-28T05:43:10.932-07:002017-10-28T05:43:10.932-07:00And this is why i thank the lord baal hammon every...And this is why i thank the lord baal hammon everyday that we have the technology and numbers to resist the byzantines and russians. Perphaps if the guanches had been in contact with their berber kindred. They would have survived.Feylihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14121274651947808626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24258001266938520342017-10-27T13:41:30.687-07:002017-10-27T13:41:30.687-07:00This is an interesting paper I missed by Hernandez...This is an interesting paper I missed by Hernandez et al, 2017:<br />"The distribution of mitochondrial DNA haplogroup H in southern Iberia indicates ancient human genetic exchanges along the western edge of the Mediterranean"<br /><br />https://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12863-017-0514-6?site=bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com<br /><br />They breakdown those H lineages in bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1368470911963675332017-10-27T13:41:00.807-07:002017-10-27T13:41:00.807-07:00@BBB
Doh completely mixing up my place names.@BBB<br /><br />Doh completely mixing up my place names.capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63644458751793055002017-10-27T13:33:56.190-07:002017-10-27T13:33:56.190-07:00@capra
I was referring to modern distribution in G...@capra<br />I was referring to modern distribution in Gomera. Here are several paper on the other islands.<br /><br /><br />A paper Co-authored by Bernard Secher, Fregel and others (2014)<br />https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-14-109<br /><br />Also La Palma (2009)<br />http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/04/ancient-mtdna-from-la-palma-canary.html<br /><br />El bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79699520217562338212017-10-27T12:10:59.130-07:002017-10-27T12:10:59.130-07:00@BBB
Yes, I wonder how KEB (and IAM) would come o...@BBB<br /><br />Yes, I wonder how KEB (and IAM) would come out. No mt haplogroup sharing with them, but T2c1d-152C shared with El Toro and Sardinians, J1c3 Neolithic Sardinian, and both at Els Trocs. J1c3f supposedly at Afalou, but that was dubious HVS-I only stuff.<br /><br />I wish they had done some actual analysis comparing them to different Sub-Saharan Africans, all of these North African capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18918818113501817082017-10-27T08:51:18.185-07:002017-10-27T08:51:18.185-07:00Kehf el Baroud was in Fregel et al, 2017
https://w...Kehf el Baroud was in Fregel et al, 2017<br />https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/09/21/191569bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89596871184598781982017-10-27T08:49:20.410-07:002017-10-27T08:49:20.410-07:00The individual from Gran Canaria with elevated HG ...The individual from Gran Canaria with elevated HG ancestry, and previous individuals from El Hierro and La Gomera shows a possibility that the islands were colonized twice, or at least in waves with the bulk of Berberization being concentrated in Tenerife and the more distant islands retaining a more European like character, and for this individual more WHG ancestry.<br /><br />They hint around bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87718196738307096732017-10-27T04:06:57.818-07:002017-10-27T04:06:57.818-07:00They seem to be about as SSA admixed as modern Tun...They seem to be about as SSA admixed as modern Tunisians and Mozabite. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com