tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post8246479363397749585..comments2024-03-19T04:06:44.033-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: The beast among Y-haplogroupsDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger305125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32327067440081053502022-08-27T18:27:41.135-07:002022-08-27T18:27:41.135-07:00The beast? Yeah literally.
All it takes is for u t...The beast? Yeah literally.<br />All it takes is for u to c*m in a fugly ho for 5 seconds and u think u rule the world.<br />Men don't get to rule the life they don't create!Analisa Melanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17132040065578617462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71658993163190971322021-04-06T11:36:49.481-07:002021-04-06T11:36:49.481-07:00R1a was like a ram or a berserk, stubbornly going ...R1a was like a ram or a berserk, stubbornly going forward no matter the extremes. Wim Hof like style: I can't stand the extreme cold? Hold my beer. Then getting bored of long ice cold bath.. hey you are icemen now, you can't stand an extreme hot! I can't? I can't nothing. I can even run a marathon on a desert (don't ask what for). Hold my vodka.. its just.. did they visit Ebrelioshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10367484749034870991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87493493307107311712020-01-16T22:36:07.415-08:002020-01-16T22:36:07.415-08:00Hi David,
As I mentioned, I am not an expert on t...Hi David,<br /><br />As I mentioned, I am not an expert on this topic and I'm not pretending to be one either. I'm not a proponent of out of Anatolia theory or anything crazy like that. The the reason that I thought it predated the Indo-European expansion was because it is very rare, it's very old as in broke away from R1a very early on, and presuming that it arrived to it's Sabmiesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18380116670410830647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31241637286357302972020-01-16T21:32:18.569-08:002020-01-16T21:32:18.569-08:00There is no R1a in the Middle East that predates t...There is no R1a in the Middle East that predates the Indo-European expansion. <br /><br />All of the R1a in the Middle East arrived there during or after the Bronze Age and is ultimately from the Indo-European homeland in Eastern Europe.<br /><br />What you belong to is a rare clade of R1a that went extinct in Eastern Europe after the Bronze Age and now only survives in the Middle East.<br /><br Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71157995152708622502020-01-16T21:14:42.551-08:002020-01-16T21:14:42.551-08:00Hi, I am the "Unknown" person who asked ...Hi, I am the "Unknown" person who asked about their R1a (M420) haplogroup, five questions up. <br /><br />After one and half years I finally ended up doing a Y-111 test with FTDNA and have subsequently found out that I belong to the rare R1a2b (YP5018) haplogroup. It appears to be an archaic branch of R1a which predates the Indo-European expansion and clusters around the Eastern Sabmiesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18380116670410830647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37555283594343298882019-06-12T00:10:10.403-07:002019-06-12T00:10:10.403-07:00@Joe Flood
Andronovo R1a comes from Corded Ware R...@Joe Flood<br /><br />Andronovo R1a comes from Corded Ware R1a, and Corded Ware R1a comes from the Eneolithic steppe R1a, and Eneolithic steppe R1a is from the R1a native to the steppe.<br /><br /><b>It goes like this: Steppe R1a > Steppe M417 > Corded Ware Z645 > Andronovo Z93 > Central Asian, Indian and Iranian Z93/Z94</b><br /><br />You know, like what autosomal DNA and archeology Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20671307406775501782019-06-11T22:41:10.765-07:002019-06-11T22:41:10.765-07:00Davidski, R1a is highly spatially segregated becau...Davidski, R1a is highly spatially segregated because of its bottleneck origin. While R1a-Z93 had a lot of basal subclades yet to be tracked, I doubt there was anything but Z93 in Andronovo - and maybe only Z94, no other basal subclades have been found near the Urals.<br /><br />The interesting question is why is there not a whole lot of admixed R1b in India, as it seemed to make up most of the Joe Floodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14684083205595693107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84054544923593720922019-06-11T22:33:03.514-07:002019-06-11T22:33:03.514-07:00See my new R1a paper. Which suggests that R1a prob...See my new R1a paper. Which suggests that R1a probably derived from the Middle East as a very early subclade of R1, found its way North within R1 through the Balkans, broke out from two men following a severe bottleneck event north of the Black Sea around 3000BC, expanding as (Z283) Corded Ware and also (Z93) somewhere on the steppe (location yet to be determined). It would not rank as a Joe Floodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14684083205595693107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36761161730943165712018-10-01T19:41:28.709-07:002018-10-01T19:41:28.709-07:00You don't really belong to R1a (M420) per se, ...You don't really belong to R1a (M420) per se, but a much younger lineage under the M420 mutation. The problem is that your subclade hasn't been properly identified, probably because your Y-chromosome test was very shallow.<br /><br />What you need to do is get a much deeper test done, even a full Y-chromosome scan, and then get the mutations analyzed by Yfull.<br /><br />But even then youDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67551538830689417372018-10-01T19:13:40.814-07:002018-10-01T19:13:40.814-07:00I'm not an expert in genetics so I apologise i...I'm not an expert in genetics so I apologise in advance if I sound ignorant. My question is of personal importance.<br /><br />My Y-Haplogroup is R1a (M420) and my ethnic background is Zaza a Western Iranic, Indo-European speaker who are meant to have migrated to Anatolia from the Caspian coast of present-day Iran. <br /><br />Please correct me if I am wrong but according to the topology it Sabmiesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18380116670410830647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9472387029750899362018-06-17T14:25:40.277-07:002018-06-17T14:25:40.277-07:00Why all this freaking out about the term 'Beas...Why all this freaking out about the term 'Beast'. I'm from the northeast US and to us it just means hard to beat/conquer, succesful, or big. Like a team that nobody can beat, or a tough competitor. It's has no negative implication at all, unless you're trying to compete with them and know that it won't be fun. I don't get how people interpret that as a racist statement.Foster Ryan LAchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15017450309715589487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1329462632845420462017-10-05T15:00:29.534-07:002017-10-05T15:00:29.534-07:00Yes I recall his article a few posts back. It was ...Yes I recall his article a few posts back. It was suggested Khvalynsk moved in from lower Don region ? <br />With such wide chronologies, I guess each analysed sample for aDNA needs to be tested individually.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47529890600604688142017-10-05T08:59:09.284-07:002017-10-05T08:59:09.284-07:00According to Vybornov producing economy starts in ...According to Vybornov producing economy starts in the Caspian region about 5500-4800 BC, and the Khvalynsk culture exists the interval 4900-4600 BC that is the Eneolithic. The Khvalynsk culture appears earlier than the end the Pricaspiiskaya and Orlovskaya cultures. The Neolithic starts in the Caspian region in the 7th Millennium BC, earlier than in the rest of Europe. The original concept of theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89906917119545520692017-10-05T05:14:57.605-07:002017-10-05T05:14:57.605-07:00OK. Vybornov states that productive Neolithic begi...OK. Vybornov states that productive Neolithic begins in Caspian area (=Prikaspiiskaya culture) c. 5500- 4800 BC. This is followed by Khvalynsk, the main distinguisher being the appearance of some Copper. <br />OFfsetting ~ 220 years, give us the same ballpark for Khvalynsk / SS ..Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48467507887974429362017-10-05T04:10:20.905-07:002017-10-05T04:10:20.905-07:00See Shishlina's texts
"We studied populat...See Shishlina's texts<br />"We studied populations that exploited the area between the Lower Don and the Lower Volga rivers and the North Caucasus piedmont."<br />"Their time intervals and <b>regional</b> distributions are shown in Table 1 and Figure 1, respectively."<br />"The relative chronology of the Bronze Age cultures of this region is based on stratigraphy of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42175637074161116252017-10-05T00:02:10.508-07:002017-10-05T00:02:10.508-07:00Shishlina 2014- https://www.researchgate.net/profi...Shishlina 2014- https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Natalia_Shishlina/publication/270183423_Reservoir_Effect_of_Archaeological_Samples_from_Steppe_Bronze_Age_Cultures_in_Southern_Russia/links/56894db808ae1975839a935f/Reservoir-Effect-of-Archaeological-Samples-from-Steppe-Bronze-Age-Cultures-in-Southern-Russia.pdf?_iepl%5BviewId%5D=zBHJYSYKGR5tVn1KAxWs060p&_iepl%Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55278488713542702272017-10-04T13:05:19.368-07:002017-10-04T13:05:19.368-07:00Rob "And again there is contention of chronol...Rob "And again there is contention of chronology, but now most seem to be downtrendifn earlier dates, eg C-T dates 4000-2800 BC, not 5000" No trend decreasing date. <br /><br />Shishlina <b>2014</b> more accurately considered a reservoir effect in Khvalynskiy culture.<br />"Eneolithic Culture<br /><i>Only one pair of dates is presently available, i.e. cow and human bones from the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63963170336382007642017-10-04T08:52:23.082-07:002017-10-04T08:52:23.082-07:00@Davidski
I get what you are saying, but in South...@Davidski<br /><br />I get what you are saying, but in South Asia we also have to take into account the near absence of Steppe MtDNA. It is almost as though the IA peoples lost all their women and picked up entirely new ones. I cannot for the love of me understand how this radical shift happened.<br /><br />I am also inclined to believe that the male population had already shrunk as the IVC Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7191032673185082582017-10-04T06:38:17.159-07:002017-10-04T06:38:17.159-07:00@Rob
Thanks. That makes sense. It will be interes...@Rob<br /><br />Thanks. That makes sense. It will be interesting to see what's the difference between the 2 Eneolithic Ukrainian samples. They're probably both from around 3500 BCE, but the one from Central Ukraine seems to have no EHG admixture, while the one from East Ukraine (the R1a-M417) probably does.<br /><br />And I hope we get samples from the Kuban soon.Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6722726786585056212017-10-04T04:51:59.527-07:002017-10-04T04:51:59.527-07:00@ Alberto
"True. But shouldn't both even...@ Alberto<br /><br />"True. But shouldn't both events be related? Or did the sheep arrive to the Lower Don and Volga from the Balkans and later some proto-Yamnaya population appeared there unrelated to those early pastoralists?"<br /><br />They appear unrelated, in my reckoning. And again there is contention of chronology, but now most seem to be downtrendifn earlier dates, eg C-T Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12212930159309155182017-10-04T03:14:13.775-07:002017-10-04T03:14:13.775-07:00@David
But raiding for women is a different story...@David<br /><br />But raiding for women is a different story, I'd say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30801478316806820932017-10-04T03:12:00.129-07:002017-10-04T03:12:00.129-07:00@Karl_K said:
"There is no requirement for a...@Karl_K said:<br /><br />"<i>There is no requirement for any rape or violence to obtain the rapid expansion of a haplotype or haplogroup. Selective sweeps are extremely fast genetically, but usually occur over many generations and hundreds of years. The only requirement is a strong link between the genes and the selecting force.</i>"<br /><br />Especially in a polygamous society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68184475378734385112017-10-04T02:40:59.350-07:002017-10-04T02:40:59.350-07:00It's actually not uncommon to hear these sorts...It's actually not uncommon to hear these sorts of theories about successful Y-chromosome lineages being successful due to mass rapes. It's as if one of the most common forms of procreation in ancient times was rape.<br /><br />This makes very little sense, of course, because women who are raped rarely have a child as a result. Often they're also victims of homicide. In ancient times IDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45434916563364096972017-10-04T01:22:14.032-07:002017-10-04T01:22:14.032-07:00There is basically no such thing as an Utopia here...There is basically no such thing as an Utopia here on Earth. Even some trees eg. Acacia trees do chemical warfare and produce Hydrogen Cyanide when being overgrazed....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31651899255690379682017-10-04T01:00:40.763-07:002017-10-04T01:00:40.763-07:00There is no requirement for any rape or violence t...There is no requirement for any rape or violence to obtain the rapid expansion of a haplotype or haplogroup. Selective sweeps are extremely fast genetically, but usually occur over many generations and hundreds of years. The only requirement is a strong link between the genes and the selecting force.<br /><br />In the case of R1a and the other successful bronze age Y haplogroups, the link was a Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.com