tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post8489512031234963377..comments2024-03-19T04:18:48.805-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: The story of mtDNA haplogroup U7Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger126125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76591118716248108062018-07-12T20:50:33.365-07:002018-07-12T20:50:33.365-07:00Interesting my friend is English through and throu...Interesting my friend is English through and through and all tests show his autosomal ancestry to be completely north Western European but he has maternal Haplogroup U7b and his maternal line is from rural Staffordshire going bk to the 1600s is it more likely his U7b Haplogroup arrived in Britain with the Romans? From Tuscany? Or with the Vikings somehow? Does anyone know If the lady from the Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18082525935987363263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71791032045649047392017-06-06T04:54:05.202-07:002017-06-06T04:54:05.202-07:00Hi! I am trying to find out my friends MtDNA U1a4....Hi! I am trying to find out my friends MtDNA U1a4. I'm not finding much. I do see U1 was found in a Sarmatian grave. Is there any chance that this MtDNA U1a4 migrated to Europe after the Bronze Age? Perhaps during the Iron Age? She only has a couple of matches in the world BUT she has 5 daughters so that should change statistics! jvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283765275775165180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16230624886832476702017-04-17T01:42:56.300-07:002017-04-17T01:42:56.300-07:00The problem with looking for fairly deep modern Y-...The problem with looking for fairly deep modern Y-HG subclades in ancient populations is that only a small proportion of founders from the last couple of thousand years have made an impact on many modern populations. So looking for the precise ancestral lineages of these modern subclades in limited ancient DNA, especially as far back as the Neolithic, is usually a pointless exercise, and will be Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31556567102462012852017-04-17T01:42:52.310-07:002017-04-17T01:42:52.310-07:00You're being very pedantic and unreasonable.
...<i>You're being very pedantic and unreasonable.</i><br /><br />It was the comments here that convinced me that we had enough samples. Even though R was so widespread since prehistoric times, such that it was found in 14kya Villabruna to Mesolithic Siberia and Russia, and Neolithic Iran, most here have argued that we know ancient Iranian aDNA didn't have R1, R1a or R1b because its aDNA Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80064525438133289442017-04-14T03:02:27.440-07:002017-04-14T03:02:27.440-07:00South Asians seem to be J2a1 and J2b2. Whereas Ira...<i>South Asians seem to be J2a1 and J2b2. Whereas Iranian aDNA had J2a2 and an extinct branch J2b*.</i><br /><br />You're being very pedantic and unreasonable.<br /><br />Considering the few samples that we have available from ancient Iran and the prevalence of strong founder effects in Y-chromosome lineages in ancient West Eurasian groups, the presence of J2a and J2b in both ancient Iran andDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38398029929157595672017-04-14T02:29:57.677-07:002017-04-14T02:29:57.677-07:00For modern South Asian Y DNA, I'm looking at F...For modern South Asian Y DNA, I'm looking at Figure 14 of the Supplementary Material of Poznik et al 2016, which uses 1000 Genomes. <br /><br />The pre-R2 and R2 from Iran Neolithic can be used to explain R2 in modern South Asians. And there's a single G2b derived PJL sample in Lahore in Pakistan, matching with a G2b in Iran Neolithic. However, the rest of the Y lineages in ancient Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39322829826783351792017-04-14T02:08:38.867-07:002017-04-14T02:08:38.867-07:00"Seems to me like your expectations are rathe...<i>"Seems to me like your expectations are rather arbitrary. There are obvious uniparental and genome-wide genetic links between all of the the ancient South Caspian samples and South Asians."</i><br /><br />I've already gone through the mtDNA part of the uniparental markers. As I pointed out in previous comments, I could only make out a few proper correspondences between ancient Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7509207969681299882017-04-14T01:45:26.955-07:002017-04-14T01:45:26.955-07:00The "H2a, H2a1 and H2a2" in my earlier c...The "H2a, H2a1 and H2a2" in my earlier comment should have been HV2a, HV2a1 and HV2a2.<br /><br />@Davidski,<br /><br /><i>The reason it wasn't incorporated into the South Asian models in Lazaridis et al. is because it's a singleton Iran Mesolithic sample, of poor quality and with few markers.</i><br /><br />Yes, that made sense and so that's what I had concluded after Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1580100779024169642017-04-13T02:33:58.176-07:002017-04-13T02:33:58.176-07:00"You are comparing the modern admixture with ..."You are comparing the modern admixture with aDNA. No one knows what the admixture level for South Asians was back in time without aDNA from there."<br /><br />TruthPrevails, nobody needs to know what aDNA was in South Asia to fix the point, simply because that some components present in South Asians are absent in Europe, notably Iran_N (among other specific markers) is virtually absentFolkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269054619016691149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71189992732656812712017-04-12T15:04:40.787-07:002017-04-12T15:04:40.787-07:00@ak2014b
But Iran Mesolithic is not considered a ...@ak2014b<br /><br /><i>But Iran Mesolithic is not considered a contributor to modern South Asia.</i><br /><br />By whom?<br /><br />Iran Hotu is very similar to Iran Neolithic and CHG, so how can it not be a plausible source of Neolithic ancestry in South Asia?<br /><br />The reason it wasn't incorporated into the South Asian models in Lazaridis et al. is because it's a singleton Iran Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9906484789801679452017-04-12T09:35:38.024-07:002017-04-12T09:35:38.024-07:00I'm further noticing that most of the mtDNA ha...I'm further noticing that most of the mtDNA haplogroups found in Iran Neolithic and Chalcolithic aDNA have little or no presence in South Asia, whereas many are not insignificant in Iran. For example, I could find no X2 or any X listed among the West Eurasian mtDNA documented in modern Indians and Bangladeshis in Palanichamy et al 2015, whereas X2 was among the Iran Neolithic finds.<br /><br Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68902332221873290832017-04-12T09:18:48.349-07:002017-04-12T09:18:48.349-07:00I've noticed something peculiar looking throug...I've noticed something peculiar looking through the Indian, Bangladesh and Iranian U7 samples from the Derenko et al 2013 and Palanichamy et al 2017 papers on modern Iranian mtDNA and on West-Eurasian mtDNA in India and Bangladesh, respectively.<br /><br />There's many modern samples of basal U7 scattered throughout caste and tribe in India, though less in the east than the other 3 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82534761474870290192017-04-12T09:14:57.489-07:002017-04-12T09:14:57.489-07:00There is literally an ancient genome sequence with...<i> There is literally an ancient genome sequence with a pre-split R* haplotyoe from a location far from South Asia >20,000 years ago.</i><br /><br />thats exactly the point, which proves folks from SouthAsia have in past been venturing out on the plains in central asia and eastern europe mutiple times, chasing food, as they must have found it much easier to hunt herbivores on the plains with TruthPrevailshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05940335303424029794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82019002524448623972017-04-12T09:10:18.782-07:002017-04-12T09:10:18.782-07:00TruthPrevails, are you sure that you understand co...<i>TruthPrevails, are you sure that you understand correctly how genetics work? Because it is fairly clear that if a migration from South Asia to Eurasian Steppe or even Europe occured, you'll find some kind of specific admixture from South Asia into Europeans. This is not the case. But we find some specific European Admixture into South Asian, so the migration occured the other way: from theTruthPrevailshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05940335303424029794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84319889036329140492017-04-12T08:56:54.988-07:002017-04-12T08:56:54.988-07:00"On a lighter note: R and R1 is rooted in Sou..."On a lighter note: R and R1 is rooted in South Asia"<br /><br />There is literally an ancient genome sequence with a pre-split R* haplotyoe from a location far from South Asia >20,000 years ago.Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38258363215184605062017-04-12T08:45:35.343-07:002017-04-12T08:45:35.343-07:00TruthPrevails, are you sure that you understand co...TruthPrevails, are you sure that you understand correctly how genetics work? Because it is fairly clear that if a migration from South Asia to Eurasian Steppe or even Europe occured, you'll find some kind of specific admixture from South Asia into Europeans. This is not the case. But we find some specific European Admixture into South Asian, so the migration occured the other way: from the Folkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269054619016691149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86607785752999783112017-04-12T08:08:00.291-07:002017-04-12T08:08:00.291-07:00On a lighter note: R and R1 is rooted in South Asi...On a lighter note: R and R1 is rooted in South Asia, so the way I see it is where ever the kids originated(R1a and R1b), some kids married WHG women and moved north and some kids married local women and stayed around. :)TruthPrevailshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05940335303424029794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55291350498288711752017-04-12T07:55:58.131-07:002017-04-12T07:55:58.131-07:00This is absolute nonsense.
The Y-DNA, mtDNA and g...<i>This is absolute nonsense.<br /><br />The Y-DNA, mtDNA and genome-wide DNA indicate not only shared ancestry between Europeans and South Asians, but also major population movements from the Eastern European steppe into South Asia.<br /><br />I've set out the evidence for this in multiple posts on my blogs in a way that should be easy to understand for most people with even a basic interestTruthPrevailshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05940335303424029794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46331806808478725882017-04-12T03:05:28.890-07:002017-04-12T03:05:28.890-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4572363528830739122017-04-11T19:09:17.875-07:002017-04-11T19:09:17.875-07:00@Jaydeep
But so far there is only evidence of sha...@Jaydeep<br /><br /><i>But so far there is only evidence of shared ancestry. This does not automatically mean a migration from the steppe into South Asia.</i><br /><br />This is absolute nonsense.<br /><br />The Y-DNA, mtDNA and genome-wide DNA indicate not only shared ancestry between Europeans and South Asians, but also major population movements from the Eastern European steppe into South AsiaDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17591714546216001732017-04-11T17:28:12.791-07:002017-04-11T17:28:12.791-07:00Let me just add a caveat to what you just said. No...Let me just add a caveat to what you just said. No is disputing the findings. After all facts are facts. The difference is in the interpretation of facts. Most of the posters here are European. Though we have some wonderful unbiased people like Matt, Rob, Alberto & Frank, the others are quite Euro-centric. We do not have any aDNA from India but the insinuation of these Euro-centrists is that Jaydeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01336330713605021262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42201043019359987532017-04-11T09:24:45.631-07:002017-04-11T09:24:45.631-07:00"Not sure why the penny hasn't dropped ye..."Not sure why the penny hasn't dropped yet? Maybe you're suffering from the same condition as some of our <b>Indian</b> friends here, like Jaydeep, Balaji and Truth Prevails? Have you guys thought about getting together for therapy meetings? Apparently it's easier when you talk about it."<br /><br />There's a good possibility these posters with opposing views are Indian,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25940335955510285192017-04-11T03:36:59.846-07:002017-04-11T03:36:59.846-07:00"you are aware of this new study?"
Does..."you are aware of this new study?"<br /><br />Does anyone here not have at least a google alert set to email the latest papers containing keywords of interest? Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44074051943956059592017-04-11T00:54:14.965-07:002017-04-11T00:54:14.965-07:00Though looking for a source for Iberian Bronze Age...Though looking for a source for Iberian Bronze Age it's more the EHG:CHG ratio we will want to look at than looking for EHG without CHG.<br /><br />Using a Fst PCoA model, fits for Armenia at: Chalcolithic - https://pastebin.com/FE9kaNre, EBA - https://pastebin.com/RLxepvG8, MLBA - https://pastebin.com/CmYCHBcJ.<br /> <br />They're all most substantially Anatolia_Neolithic in ancestry, Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18444890994951670882017-04-11T00:03:51.424-07:002017-04-11T00:03:51.424-07:00@ Joerg Hensiek
"you are aware of this new s...@ Joerg Hensiek<br /><br />"you are aware of this new study?"<br /><br />He knows that very well, because I am writing that long before the Balanovskij et al paper, also on his blog.Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.com