tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post8530361245063908248..comments2024-03-19T04:18:48.805-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Estonian Biocentre Human Genome Diversity Panel (EGDP)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger173125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14278671233425880512016-10-07T19:49:32.408-07:002016-10-07T19:49:32.408-07:00@OpenGenomes:
I saw late that my previous too long...@OpenGenomes:<br />I saw late that my previous too long and sarcastic comment has been deleted. I'm happy with that, but I wanted to point out exactly one thing that I hope will remain:<br /><br />http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.681385<br /><br />"As Ostrer notes, citing the Biblical tale of <b>Cain and Abel</b>, “the fact that people are related to one another doesn’t MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61934828159353785022016-10-04T09:33:07.398-07:002016-10-04T09:33:07.398-07:00@ak2014b
The P* reported in India is P1-M45(xQ, R...@ak2014b<br /><br />The P* reported in India is P1-M45(xQ, R), while the P* in Aeta is P2-B252, which is P-92R7(xP1). So the Indian P* is more closely related to Q and R than to the Filipino kind. Unfortunately none of the Indian P* has been properly investigated. It could even all be due to error, though it comes up too often for that to be likely IMO.<br /><br />The Indian Q* and Q5 is likely capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53219635789222308302016-10-04T04:24:24.451-07:002016-10-04T04:24:24.451-07:00@Ariel
The Sardinian autosomal samples commonly u...@Ariel<br /><br />The Sardinian autosomal samples commonly used are exclusively from the interior of the island, I think. But there appears to be more variation on parts of the coast, for example a half-Sardinian / half North Italian genetic cousin of mine got very high CHG/Caucasus related scores in various tests, including the MDLP K23b. (I'm not speaking of Dodecad here.) So high that he Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82946751880247476572016-10-04T03:04:04.398-07:002016-10-04T03:04:04.398-07:00@MaxT: "Basal Y-DNA P* is mainly found in Sou...@MaxT: <i>"Basal Y-DNA P* is mainly found in Southeast Asia, in Aeta population."</i><br /><br />According to a <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3724947/figure/pone-8663819b-5ff0-4133-b70a-2d686dfb0a44-g001/" rel="nofollow">paper</a> from 2012 about a place in southern India (by Spencer Wells and colleagues for the Genographic Project), there is some type of R1a1 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85024553125855070062016-10-03T08:53:15.146-07:002016-10-03T08:53:15.146-07:00@huijbregts
That's interesting. I bet Baalbe...@huijbregts <br /><br />That's interesting. I bet Baalberge + "Swedish MN" could serve as a proxy for German Funnelbeaker. The Iberian MN is very interesting as the BB phenomenon is currently thought the have been originated in Iberia. However, there are also theories that see the origin of BB in Middle-Europe or the Rhineland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18950991433960390592016-10-03T01:53:21.216-07:002016-10-03T01:53:21.216-07:00You're probably correct that it's a signal...You're probably correct that it's a signal of steppe ancestry coming into Southeast Asia via South Asia. But it is a very weak signal.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30647324343108451992016-10-03T00:02:19.338-07:002016-10-03T00:02:19.338-07:00Looking at the East Asian populations in the K13 s...Looking at the East Asian populations in the K13 sheet, I was surprised to see Steppe_EMBA show up in the 3 SE-Asian (Burmese, Thai & Cambodia) populations at about 2%, and Iran_Neolithic at about 4% in the same populations. Both these components mostly absent from the Vietnamese, Dai, Miao & Han.<br /><br />Could this be a sign of the early Indianised state of Funan? Or is it too week a Garvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08917487267933584193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76056146581079090372016-10-02T07:47:50.958-07:002016-10-02T07:47:50.958-07:00@ Davidski
Thank you for the K13. It is good to ha...@ Davidski<br />Thank you for the K13. It is good to have an up-to-date high K calculator.<br />I tried Bell Beaker:<br /><br />Bell_Beaker_Germany<br />Afanasievo 29.8<br />Corded_Ware_Germany 24.9<br />Sweden_MN 22.4<br />Baalberge_MN 12.75<br />Iberia_Chalcolithic 10.2<br />distance% 0.31%<br />huijbregtshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15146303681173955347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6061196539218782572016-10-01T19:30:42.519-07:002016-10-01T19:30:42.519-07:00That K13 looks rather nice.
Here is an nMonte-bas...That K13 looks rather nice.<br /><br />Here is an nMonte-based model, for a Pashtun sample:<br /><br />39.48% Steppe (Scythian_IA + Andronovo)<br />39.00% Iran_Neolithic<br />14.85% ENA (Andamanese + Ami + Papuan<br />5.70% Bedouin<br />1.00% MA1<br /><br />A Kalash sample:<br /><br />39.55% Steppe<br />27.85% Iran_Neolithic<br />12.35% MA1<br />10.80% Bedouin_B<br />9.35% ENA<br /><br />Pretty Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31763333172050708312016-10-01T11:22:01.189-07:002016-10-01T11:22:01.189-07:00Quick dendrogram based on pop averages for that 13...Quick dendrogram based on pop averages for that 13 - http://imgur.com/NqKlEUU<br /><br />Because I thought the SEA were the most interesting "new" populations, I created virtual populations for the East Asian part (I defined as Beringia, Siberia, East Asian [which peaks in Austronesians] components) and non-East Asian part of some of the populations in East Asia who scored between 95% Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83100937434080673042016-10-01T08:17:41.917-07:002016-10-01T08:17:41.917-07:00Even though "pound" derives from Latin &...Even though "pound" derives from Latin "pondus" = weight!Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25355844343680441182016-10-01T08:13:24.401-07:002016-10-01T08:13:24.401-07:00I wanted to say "weight" of course. Diff...I wanted to say "weight" of course. Diffcult English!Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20046446168455853352016-10-01T08:10:29.453-07:002016-10-01T08:10:29.453-07:00Of course "pond" and not "pound&quo...Of course "pond" and not "pound"...Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53029818207778904182016-10-01T08:04:43.898-07:002016-10-01T08:04:43.898-07:00@ Davidski
I thank you for your spreadsheet, but ...@ Davidski<br /><br />I thank you for your spreadsheet, but I apologize for my ignorance: how is it possible to compare a sample of 14000 years ago with one of 4000? Isn't it the night where all the cows are grey (Hegel)?<br />When I compare the Y, I compare millions of single SNPs and their rare mutations. In the autosome I compare SNPs which have all the pound of their history upon Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69779124048713459462016-10-01T07:59:48.591-07:002016-10-01T07:59:48.591-07:00@Davidski
David, is there a way to check if Villa...@Davidski<br /><br />David, is there a way to check if Villabruna can be modeled as Vestonice (or even better, Ostuni or Paglicci133) plus an unkown HG, not yet sampled? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16869270888015410272016-10-01T05:36:17.334-07:002016-10-01T05:36:17.334-07:00Here's a K=13 run with a Steppe_EMBA cluster, ...Here's a K=13 run with a Steppe_EMBA cluster, probably based on a founder effect in Afanasievo.<br /><br />https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XUr5VPrvykkEV8NHsTORs0MdCloS9weB33okkWN9a80/edit?usp=sharing<br /><br />The Fst distances are here...<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQVWpwN3dnMHN6STA/view?usp=sharingDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29377957508469694612016-10-01T01:00:37.497-07:002016-10-01T01:00:37.497-07:00MaxT
"ANE is intrusive to Europe."
I t...MaxT<br /><br />"ANE is intrusive to Europe."<br /><br />I think ANE is connected to the mammoth steppe and the mammoth steppe extended a lot wider than the modern version.<br /><br />https://cdn-assets.answersingenesis.org/img/articles/tj/v14/i3/fig2.jpg<br /><br />So yeah it's not "Europe" but it's not, not-Europe either - there's an overlap.<br /><br />Also Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55171264637348817342016-10-01T00:02:29.904-07:002016-10-01T00:02:29.904-07:00Two posts deleted.
No more discussions about poli...Two posts deleted.<br /><br />No more discussions about politics. The topic is the EGDP.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62633734836343772542016-09-30T22:06:12.593-07:002016-09-30T22:06:12.593-07:00These are some nMonte fits, based on the new K8, t...These are some nMonte fits, based on the new K8, they look pretty good (my West Eurasian references were the four poles of ancient West Eurasian variation, ANE, WHG, Iran Neolithic, and Levant Neolithic):<br /><br />Shugnan (tdj126_shugnan)<br />51.40% Iran_Neolithic<br />17.50% Loschbour<br />16.10% MA1<br />10.90% Levant_Neolithic<br />4.10% ENA (Ami + Papuan)<br /><br />Kalash (HGDP00315)<br /Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91629170608291352922016-09-30T20:36:28.278-07:002016-09-30T20:36:28.278-07:00Sorry Onur
Quite right, you two are in different b...<i>Sorry Onur<br />Quite right, you two are in different ballparks<br />Your caveats are accepted, but ultimately change nothing in what I've outlined</i><br /><br />No worries. My comments came after MaxT's comments, so you had to reply to both of us and coincidentally on a very similar topic.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4411449430099793912016-09-30T20:08:26.829-07:002016-09-30T20:08:26.829-07:00Sorry Onur
Quite right, you two are in different b...Sorry Onur<br />Quite right, you two are in different ballparks<br />Your caveats are accepted, but ultimately change nothing in what I've outlined Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60349692824229533662016-09-30T19:44:26.450-07:002016-09-30T19:44:26.450-07:00@Rob
Onur
Enough with the pontificating
State s...@Rob<br /><br /><i>Onur <br />Enough with the pontificating <br />State some facts, data and hypotheses <br />Sketch out the post- glacial history of Eastern Europe ?</i><br /><br />For what purpose? I am not MaxT, I have no strong opinions on the place of origin of ANE or its specific types. Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59695661211664420592016-09-30T19:32:05.862-07:002016-09-30T19:32:05.862-07:00Onur
Enough with the pontificating
State some fa...Onur <br />Enough with the pontificating <br />State some facts, data and hypotheses <br />Sketch out the post- glacial history of Eastern Europe ?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73297279793572765842016-09-30T19:29:12.127-07:002016-09-30T19:29:12.127-07:00@Rob
"Different Ice Age refugia"
Even ...@Rob<br /><br />"Different Ice Age refugia"<br /><br />Even if that was true, the source of ANE is still Siberia. <br /><br />"you have no proof that the ANE in Russia came from the Altai." <br /><br />Laughable, that's like saying WHG found in Near East did not come from Europe. ANE came from Siberia -> Russia, deal with it. ANE was intrusive to Europe. MaxThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920295419805648337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91336188281418611662016-09-30T19:19:07.201-07:002016-09-30T19:19:07.201-07:00@ MaxT
"You answered your own question, why ...@ MaxT<br /><br />"You answered your own question, why do you think there were such high ANE population in Russian Europe but not in interior Europe? This ANE came from neighboring Siberia."<br /><br />Different Ice Age refugia, that's why. <br /><br />"Yamnaya clusters with EHG, and has close pull towards ANE, that itself shows who their ancestors were basically. Considering Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.com