tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post8618893442421254616..comments2024-03-19T01:54:52.313-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Central Asia as the PIE urheimat? Forget itDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger590125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15006865343919945782018-03-31T23:44:38.474-07:002018-03-31T23:44:38.474-07:00@Matt
What you wrote mirrors much of what I also ...@Matt<br /><br />What you wrote mirrors much of what I also think. I often like to make the following analogy: Medieval Europe was like an ambitious investigator with inadequate funding for his lab. :D<br /><br />Indeed, technological improvement was one of the constants in the middle ages despite the turmoil. I'm sure Romans would have marveled at articulated plate armor, not to mention the Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20314329790640248822018-03-31T06:59:13.820-07:002018-03-31T06:59:13.820-07:00Anthro Survery: "Dark Ages" weren't ...Anthro Survery: <i>"Dark Ages" weren't even a big thing in Europe to begin with. The "muh Romanz...muh barbarians....muh Renaissance" is an outdated paradigm. </i><br /><br />My understanding basically agrees with yours but a bit more of yes and no on this. On the one hand, there definitely was a big collapse of economic activity, literary production, literacy rate and Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37306823134556311962018-03-31T06:00:53.072-07:002018-03-31T06:00:53.072-07:00talking about dark ages?
The only dark age of eur...talking about dark ages? <br />The only dark age of europe ( especially the western part) is the one we are living today. <br />Just look at the culture of death that is sweeping the continent since the sixties: abortion, divorce, destruction of family values, gay marriage, euthanasia, the predominance of a reckless and out of control financial and banking system ( the BANKSTERS) . We are old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22777927925777278522018-03-31T05:42:39.289-07:002018-03-31T05:42:39.289-07:00Aram said...
A
"Is Your BAM file present in ...Aram said...<br />A<br /><br />"Is Your BAM file present in Yfull?"<br /><br />My ydna line branches downstream--R1b-Z2110-BY592 from Ossetians BY5586 ] is downstream from the Bell Beakers samples from Poland/Hungary Z2109+. The group that in theory is an offshoot into Corded Ware (Corded Ware as an offshoot of Hungarian Yamnaya (Anthony 2017). For example a lot of Yamnaya are R1b-KMS67ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00239954589937094679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23169027338186254522018-03-31T05:16:58.364-07:002018-03-31T05:16:58.364-07:00Will have to add to the off-topic discussion, but ...Will have to add to the off-topic discussion, but post-Roman dark ages in Europe is real and Ottomans did not have any numerical advantage over Europe.Cpkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415788952914698806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48528149618974823462018-03-31T03:44:01.097-07:002018-03-31T03:44:01.097-07:00@Matt
Yeah, that's the thing with the data at...@Matt<br /><br />Yeah, that's the thing with the data at this point. It's a matter of getting the high-res techniques to achieve better separation of the mandarins from the tangerines.<br /><br />I myself have wondered many times how many waves of Beaker-like ancestry swept across W.Europe or whether it can be modeled as 2-3 semi-discrete pulses in the first place as opposed to just a Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71143014583087696672018-03-31T03:24:04.410-07:002018-03-31T03:24:04.410-07:00@Slumbery Yes that is surely true@Slumbery Yes that is surely trueArchaeloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442251558517281095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33591854286055839892018-03-31T03:18:32.829-07:002018-03-31T03:18:32.829-07:00@Postneo
Before the numerals made their way west,...@Postneo<br /><br />Before the numerals made their way west, the groundwork essentials for Occidental mathematics had already been firmly established. No doubt Indian they made life easier, but imagine how cumbersome maths would still be without notation developed in early modern West like decimal points, xyz, equal sign, to name a few. <br /><br />As for borrowing and being influenced---this wasAnthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65598993047658269192018-03-31T03:16:02.119-07:002018-03-31T03:16:02.119-07:00Anthro Survey: I wouldn't be so dismissive abo...Anthro Survey: <i>I wouldn't be so dismissive about a SUBSET of BB groups speaking Basque, though. Most believe that groups of IE speakers from Central Europe came and assimilated into a Basque-speaking society, but what if some assimilation took place in Central Europe itself? What if BB groups were not uniformly IE-speaking(didn't always inherit their "Yamna"-associated Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5227651490337959742018-03-31T03:15:17.374-07:002018-03-31T03:15:17.374-07:00Chetan
"That with the fact that all the earl...Chetan<br /><br />"That with the fact that all the earliest ancient samples of R1b1* are also found in Europe. What does that tell you?"<br /><br />It tells me that Europe is the most densely sampled region of the world as far as aDNA concerned. By a wide margin. <br /><br />That is not to say that R1b is not very early in Europe (it is here from UP), but the above fact is not to be Slumberyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139930329199925111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20240469737153912982018-03-31T02:49:50.157-07:002018-03-31T02:49:50.157-07:00@Aram PH155 was found in Narva culture, are you aw...@Aram PH155 was found in Narva culture, are you aware of that? That with the fact that all the earliest ancient samples of R1b1* are also found in Europe. What does that tell you?<br /><br />The R1b basal that is now claimed to be present may turn out to be something different with better sampling. At one time, most R1b in Anatolia was also thought to be M343 but later they turned out to be V88. Archaeloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442251558517281095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72523355710127897872018-03-31T02:39:40.312-07:002018-03-31T02:39:40.312-07:00@Sam
After putting him through a few runs, he loo...@Sam<br /><br />After putting him through a few runs, he looks to be between Aragonese and Basques/French_south when you adjust for the Aegean affinity. Peri-Vasconic maybe--either Iberian side or Aquitaine side. Probably not from those Celtic zones of Iberia. Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53019131029864684562018-03-31T02:14:37.760-07:002018-03-31T02:14:37.760-07:00take milan for example . we have been ruled by
lig...take milan for example . we have been ruled by<br />ligurian <br />celts <br />roman <br />osthrogoths<br />longobards<br />franks<br />french<br />spanish<br />austrian <br /><br />the name of the place is still the same! It has been only altered a little bit, from mediolanum to Milano old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72491636661331838882018-03-31T02:08:39.632-07:002018-03-31T02:08:39.632-07:00Rob
There's nothing, nothing that changes le...Rob<br /><br />There's nothing, nothing that changes less rapidly than place names. <br />Personal manes change the fastest ( think for example of the washing away of saxon personal nane after the norman conquest or the disappearing of pagan personal manes in the middle ages)<br />old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28936132366597102312018-03-31T02:02:34.149-07:002018-03-31T02:02:34.149-07:00@ Chadmungo
Toponyms wash away a lot more rapidly...@ Chadmungo <br />Toponyms wash away a lot more rapidly than you think<br />And the expansion of celtic and paraCeltic being a late phenomenon is still mainstreamRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74064745872975709742018-03-31T02:01:01.217-07:002018-03-31T02:01:01.217-07:00A
If PH155 is found south of Caucasus i will chan...A<br /><br />If PH155 is found south of Caucasus i will change my mind. But that Gepid had a heavy hunno-avaric admixture. And Ph155 is present in India. And the oldest R1b is still in Italy. So maybe i should place R1b homeland in more western place?<br /><br />Ph155 is the first split in R1b. It is not M269.<br /><br />A<br /><br />Is Your BAM file present in Yfull?Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6287673416993123392018-03-31T01:35:53.714-07:002018-03-31T01:35:53.714-07:00@Old Europe
It's not just a matter of clocks....@Old Europe<br /><br />It's not just a matter of clocks. The Chinese Su Song clock was an impressive, complex water-driven clock. It post-dated Ctesibius' Hellenistic-era models. <br />In either case:<br />1. Water is impractical in freezing climates<br />2. Both models had to be regularly tended to<br />3. Neither Chinese nor Hellenistic society had a regular occurrence of public clocksAnthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11865106357575506852018-03-31T01:23:27.607-07:002018-03-31T01:23:27.607-07:00@Samuel
Here is a simple visual 2D demo of how ge...@Samuel<br /><br />Here is a simple visual 2D demo of how geometry may play a role in things.<br /><br />Figure 1: https://justpaste.it/1j00w<br />We have two parallel clines. Crete and Ana_BA sit on cline 1. The other cline is steppe---EEF_sum. We have a population to model with a certain % of admixture from some unknown cline 1 population.<br />No matter whether if we choose Crete or Ana_BA(or Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83144560960242733132018-03-31T00:27:46.489-07:002018-03-31T00:27:46.489-07:00To be fair much of the new vision of society in me...To be fair much of the new vision of society in medieval europe was a product of the contact with biblical culture. The indoeuropeans ( latin, celtic, indians etc. ) had a cyclical vision of time. The past was the same as the future. Christianity brought a new world vision where time was running towards the future. The future became much more important than the past. Besides christianity old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64318755374484956442018-03-31T00:13:11.912-07:002018-03-31T00:13:11.912-07:00Not to mention the sidereal distance that Middle A...Not to mention the sidereal distance that Middle Age Europe had in relation to political thinking. Medieval Europe was dotted with hundreds of Parliament all over the continent ( in England it was national in other countries they were locals) in order to control power and taxation . Remember for example the magna Charta or the freedom in italian city states . Many of their achievements are old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43177315659239145602018-03-30T22:58:46.255-07:002018-03-30T22:58:46.255-07:00@Samuel Andrews
"Maybe, he was from Iberia?...@Samuel Andrews <br /><br />"<i>Maybe, he was from Iberia? His score is really similar to northern Spanish.</i>"<br /><br />He was found 20 km north of where the Ala I Hispanorum Auriana was stationed. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87493128222419549422018-03-30T22:41:03.196-07:002018-03-30T22:41:03.196-07:00its pointless to say that the US makes the most je...its pointless to say that the US makes the most jet propulsion engines in the world today but they had a head start only because of earlier efforts by British and germans. Such arguments are meaningless. people a few centuries down always will always have lower barrier to overcome.postneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39986487602690040412018-03-30T22:26:04.886-07:002018-03-30T22:26:04.886-07:00@Salden, Anthro
"When I said gadgets, I was t...@Salden, Anthro<br />"When I said gadgets, I was talking chemical compounds and mechanical devices." ...and what not.<br /><br />Leibniz post dates the introduction of place value notation and numerals which spread from india. Imagine where mathematics or commerce would be without it. The first generative grammar or compiler was written for Sanskrit by panini and contemporaries. Nothingpostneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26949219998183315472018-03-30T20:38:41.213-07:002018-03-30T20:38:41.213-07:00@Anthro Survey,
Using the same test, the Roman so...@Anthro Survey,<br /><br />Using the same test, the Roman soldier from Bavaria gets 2% Moroccan and 13% Agean BA. Maybe, he was from Iberia? His score is really similar to northern Spanish.Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64582717942308687272018-03-30T20:36:14.597-07:002018-03-30T20:36:14.597-07:00@Anthro,
"Back in Hannibal's day, folks i...@Anthro,<br />"Back in Hannibal's day, folks inhabiting Iberia, Padania, and Transalpine Gaul/Belgica would have clustered closer together on a 2D PCA, I think."<br /><br />Possibly. More ancient DNA will be needed to measure the post-Neolithic east med influence in Iberia. The bigger the influence the higher chance, Iron age Iberians had 30-40% Steppe like possibly Gauls did. <br /Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.com