tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post8891136473909124812..comments2024-03-28T17:16:03.042-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: A closer look at the maternal origins of the Corded Ware people (Juras et al. 2018)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89610823742194059912018-08-05T11:15:33.525-07:002018-08-05T11:15:33.525-07:00@Philippe
Do you think Slavs have much Scythian o...@Philippe<br /><br /><i>Do you think Slavs have much Scythian or Sarmatian ancestry?</i><br /><br />A couple per cent at best.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56470718608084382312018-08-05T09:42:08.147-07:002018-08-05T09:42:08.147-07:00@eastpole
Here is an interesting study on eneolit...@eastpole<br /><br />Here is an interesting study on eneolithic ukraine (SS culture) https://www.academia.edu/19575239/Early_Eneolithic_in_the_Pontic_Steppe<br /> <br />You can read this about SS and Khvalynsk:<br /><br /><br />Similarity of the Khvalynsk ceramics with pottery of the Late Lower Don and Early Sredniy Stog cultures, as well as with separate vessels of the Orlovka culture allow me old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13854159354743177182018-08-05T07:00:07.967-07:002018-08-05T07:00:07.967-07:00Thanks. Do you think Slavs have much Scythian or S...Thanks. Do you think Slavs have much Scythian or Sarmatian ancestry?Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17386123430230365251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21701431207909596692018-08-04T21:45:04.256-07:002018-08-04T21:45:04.256-07:00Some do, it depends. There's quite a bit of R1...Some do, it depends. There's quite a bit of R1b-U106 in some Slavic speaking regions, and this can't be from Proto-Slavs. We'll know more about this soon when more ancient Slavic and Germanic genomes are sequenced, including those of Goths.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22034364914874092172018-08-04T20:59:32.654-07:002018-08-04T20:59:32.654-07:00@Davidski, Do you think R1a+ east/west Slavs have ...@Davidski, Do you think R1a+ east/west Slavs have much of any ancestry from people other than proto Slavs (eg, East Germans). Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28662873548630972292018-08-04T18:37:58.731-07:002018-08-04T18:37:58.731-07:00@Philippe
Does anyone know which Iron Age culture...@Philippe<br /><br /><i>Does anyone know which Iron Age cultures are associated with Slavs?</i><br /><br />Those derived from the Trzciniec culture, which was itself derived from eastern Corded Ware.<br /><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trzciniec_culture" rel="nofollow">Trzciniec culture</a><br /><br />Trzciniec culture samples have already been sequenced. They're labeled Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55604191266002943752018-08-04T18:13:48.245-07:002018-08-04T18:13:48.245-07:00Does anyone know which Iron Age cultures are assoc...Does anyone know which Iron Age cultures are associated with Slavs?Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17386123430230365251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66888453929470619712018-08-04T09:36:59.414-07:002018-08-04T09:36:59.414-07:00@Ric Hern
“But isn't that a huge area as wel...@Ric Hern <br /> “But isn't that a huge area as well ?”<br /><br />Linguists say not much greater than 500000 km2<br />Poland’s area is 312,696 km2<br />EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18196808480905215792018-08-04T08:28:49.359-07:002018-08-04T08:28:49.359-07:00@ EastPole
Most of the migrations in the Pontic-...@ EastPole <br /><br />Most of the migrations in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe seems to have avoided the North Caspian and deserts that only stretched about only halfway towards the Black Sea....? Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43698896757790575312018-08-04T08:21:45.006-07:002018-08-04T08:21:45.006-07:00EastPole
"Language can develop on relativel...EastPole <br /><br />"Language can develop on relatively small territory only." And "Therefore I think PIE homeland....were in the forest steppe Vistula-Dnieper-Don area" <br /><br />But isn't that a huge area as well ? Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59846626176617649552018-08-04T07:23:08.684-07:002018-08-04T07:23:08.684-07:00@Ric Hern
Language can develop on relatively small...@Ric Hern<br />Language can develop on relatively small territory only. Original PIE homeland area was not much greater than 500000 km2.<br />Even Yamnaya was too big for PIE homeland and probably various dialects of that language had already been spoken there (if it was PIE homeland).<br />I don’t like arid semi-desert North Caucasus steppe PIE homeland theory because of what I know about EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15797702205824859792018-08-04T06:34:10.448-07:002018-08-04T06:34:10.448-07:00@ Ric
"That is why I think both R1a and R1b ...<br /><br />@ Ric<br /><br />"That is why I think both R1a and R1b in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe area were PIE people."<br /><br />With a few others (I2a2 certainly) tossed in here and there... <br />Dmytrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08494390634041394412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61048137866448844192018-08-04T02:19:31.915-07:002018-08-04T02:19:31.915-07:00@ EastPole
My argument is that there were many m...@ EastPole <br /><br />My argument is that there were many migrations between Derievka and Samara and Derievka and the Lower Don since the Mesolithic due to periodic aridification in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe. So all these people could have contributed to the formation of PIE. <br /><br />But the Derievka area seems to be central to these migrations and developments and less effected by too arid Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86589682963620879102018-08-03T18:06:55.004-07:002018-08-03T18:06:55.004-07:00@Santosh & Synome
It's a misunderstanding...@Santosh & Synome<br /><br />It's a misunderstanding of some sort, obviously, so let's just wait for the paper. But I think we all know what to expect; basically a South Indian/Dravidian-like sample or samples very similar, if not identical, to the Bronze Age Indus Periphery individuals from Central Asia.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83016007013841890292018-08-03T06:07:18.181-07:002018-08-03T06:07:18.181-07:00@Synome don't read too much into the article. ...@Synome don't read too much into the article. After all it is just a magazine article. Definitely a misquote.<br />Santoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13492410903703987427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33650645879994230112018-08-03T05:43:48.404-07:002018-08-03T05:43:48.404-07:00I hope I'm not derailing too much, but check o...I hope I'm not derailing too much, but check out this quote from the Outlook article: <br /><br />“The Rakhigarhi samples have a significant amount of ‘Iranian farmer’ ancestry,” says Rai. “In India’s present-day population, only the south Indians have Iranian farmer ancestry. You won’t find Iranian farmer DNA in the north Indian population.”<br /><br />...pardon? I hope this is a misquote bySynomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06530360409931021011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45592970230581211882018-08-03T04:39:52.517-07:002018-08-03T04:39:52.517-07:00Indian archeogenetics now accept that the indus va...Indian archeogenetics now accept that the indus valley people as ASI (Dravidian). Aryans came later. Todays article in outlook magazine about Rakhigharh DNA<br />https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/we-are-all-harappans/300463<br />Santoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13492410903703987427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47594995457611151652018-08-03T02:42:22.519-07:002018-08-03T02:42:22.519-07:00Thanks for the correction. I should have double ch...Thanks for the correction. I should have double checked on that one. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18720484380417964242018-08-03T02:07:51.446-07:002018-08-03T02:07:51.446-07:00@Samuel Andrews
Isn't U2e1a1 found in one Bel...@Samuel Andrews<br /><br />Isn't U2e1a1 found in one Bell Beaker and one Corded Ware?<br /><br />Bell Beaker I5023 Osterhofen-Altenmarkt<br /><br />Corded Ware I1541 Esperstedt<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44347405310677533982018-08-03T01:47:39.851-07:002018-08-03T01:47:39.851-07:00poz090, 3350-3200 BC, Ukraine, is the second ancie...poz090, 3350-3200 BC, Ukraine, is the second ancient example of U2e1a1. The other is from LNBA (not Beaker) Germany.<br /><br />U2e1a1 is rare but its modern distribution mimics other lineages common in ancient Steppe cultures. <br /><br />H15a1 popped up in COrded Ware. It has also appeared in Yamnaya. Based on modern mtDNA I have been suspecting that in Europe H15 is of Steppe origin. Many Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62735373307900963252018-08-03T01:31:33.236-07:002018-08-03T01:31:33.236-07:00My mtDNA knowledge is kind of rusty. As far as I c...My mtDNA knowledge is kind of rusty. As far as I can see there isn't anything new or exciting in these results. <br /><br />The X4 in Catacomb is interesting. X4 is an almost non-existent basal clade of X. Armenia-1, Palestine-1.<br /><br />One Babyno culture result indicates it is of partial "R1a Z93" origin. One had J2b1a-16274. Today, this lineage is a common founder effect in Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9579269145637518492018-08-03T00:35:38.641-07:002018-08-03T00:35:38.641-07:00Here's a simple rule for everyone: In almost e...Here's a simple rule for everyone: In almost every circumstance it is completely useless to apply statistical analysis to mtDNA (or Y DNA) data.<br /><br />Studying mtDNA is meticulous. You must "do it by hand." There's no way around it. No mathematical formula can find the answers for you. <br /><br />The conclusion of this paper is that eastern Corded Ware was genetically Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37137359551351744542018-08-03T00:22:47.545-07:002018-08-03T00:22:47.545-07:00@Davidski,
Hungarian Yamnaya appears to be of the...@Davidski,<br /><br />Hungarian Yamnaya appears to be of the same stock as eastern Yamnaya (R1b Z2103+). I'm basing that on the Hungarian Beaker guy with R1b Z2103 and 76% Steppe ancestry. From Bell Beaker to Andronovo, ancient DNA shows that early Indo European cultures represented ethnic groups that were geographically widespread but genetically uniform and with a single Y chromsome<br /><Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62315677139747354202018-08-02T20:23:13.333-07:002018-08-02T20:23:13.333-07:00@All
Apologies for keeping the comment moderation...@All<br /><br />Apologies for keeping the comment moderation on full time, but several banned commentators keep trying to come back.<br /><br />Please note that once you are banned and make it onto the "Banned commentators list" there is no coming back.<br /><br />Also, I still occasionally see people trying to post as "unknown" or "anonymous". I won't allow suchDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18098655620039725532018-08-02T17:56:12.487-07:002018-08-02T17:56:12.487-07:00@EastPole
What's the bet that the R1a-M417 Ya...@EastPole<br /><br /><i>What's the bet that the R1a-M417 Yamnaya West men from Ukraine will be autosomaly closer to Late Sredny Stog Dereivka than to Yamnaya East?</i><br /><br />I don't know about that, because some of the Baltic Corded Ware samples are genetically closer to Yamnaya East than to Sredny Stog, including Gyvakarai1 who belongs to R1a-M417.<br /><br />Also, keep in mind thatDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com