tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post9139316731487145807..comments2024-03-19T02:38:12.460-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: A Bronze Age dominion from the Atlantic to the AltaiDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84840526624095594492017-08-08T14:40:30.219-07:002017-08-08T14:40:30.219-07:00David - where does Greek Z2103 derived yDNA fit in...<i>David - where does Greek Z2103 derived yDNA fit into all of this?</i><br /><br />It's from one or more of the steppe waves into Greece, but I don't know which.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39043268114466536162017-08-08T09:58:50.688-07:002017-08-08T09:58:50.688-07:00David - where does Greek Z2103 derived yDNA fit in...David - where does Greek Z2103 derived yDNA fit into all of this? mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08652231240611436950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4428852860078987972017-08-07T15:42:10.439-07:002017-08-07T15:42:10.439-07:00Thanks Matt. The averages have apparently come in ...Thanks Matt. The averages have apparently come in very useful for some people who are running tests on this output elsewhere.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88992979805949693092017-08-07T15:21:32.926-07:002017-08-07T15:21:32.926-07:00Following kind of OT and relevant only to modern g...Following kind of OT and relevant only to modern genetics (and probably of interest and making sense only to me lol, but felt like it was worth a comment).<br /><br />Comparing the Eastern European and Western European populations, I had the preconception that populations from Eastern Europe would share more fastIBD chunks within population.<br /><br />However, looking at it, that doesn't Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57587822906869893532017-08-07T01:10:28.513-07:002017-08-07T01:10:28.513-07:002. All Populations AAA-EEE with n>1: https://pa...<i>2. All Populations AAA-EEE with n>1: https://pastebin.com/Jq9neG7q </i><br /><br />Some random multivariate statistics based on these: http://imgur.com/a/pm43D<br /><br />1: PCA of the whole matrix.<br />2: Neighbour joining of the whole matrix<br />3: PCA after removing the Kalash, Zoroastrian, and Saami who have very long self branches.<br />4. PCA after removing all ancients from #3.<br Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11744826141618696652017-08-06T16:06:33.121-07:002017-08-06T16:06:33.121-07:00@ All, and may be more interesting to Shaikorth.
...@ All, and may be more interesting to Shaikorth.<br /><br />OK, took a bunch more time that I thought due to lots to do with dataset, however:<br /><br />1. All Populations AAA, CCC-ZZ (ancients, West Asia, South Asia, World other): https://pastebin.com/4JuduN8P<br /><br />2. All Populations AAA, CCC-ZZ with n>1: https://pastebin.com/JYshGAu3<br /><br />The range and degree of haplotype Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18307016476507811622017-08-06T08:11:36.097-07:002017-08-06T08:11:36.097-07:00@All
Had some time on my hands, so recalculated ...@All <br /><br />Had some time on my hands, so recalculated the averages here.<br /><br />1. All Populations AAA-EEE (ancients, Europeans, West Asia, South Asia): https://pastebin.com/iNT3Nqac<br /><br />2. All Populations AAA-EEE with n>1: https://pastebin.com/Jq9neG7q<br /><br />Should be the proper average, without the weird workaround I used before for populations with n=1. (That method Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17171417193521701402017-08-04T20:12:58.268-07:002017-08-04T20:12:58.268-07:00Nirjhar007,
Rather cryptic comment; can you elabo...Nirjhar007,<br /><br />Rather cryptic comment; can you elaborate any further?<br /><br />To whomever may be interested,<br /><br />I thought this would be a good opportunity to test the power of PCA data for deriving ancestry proportions.<br /><br />Mainly, I wanted to see if the Karasuk/Andronovo vs Steppe_EMBA pattern could be replicated with Global_10.<br /><br />Scaling was applied.<br /><br Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32867466930941601232017-08-04T02:02:42.370-07:002017-08-04T02:02:42.370-07:00Swat Valleys ''Proto-Kafirs'' will...Swat Valleys ''Proto-Kafirs'' will be same . Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44932304205474542492017-08-02T14:36:57.793-07:002017-08-02T14:36:57.793-07:00"Perhaps you know that this adjective has no ..."Perhaps you know that this adjective has no meaning to me."<br /><br />Pretty unlikely. Even if you are an Atheist", its unlikely that there is nothing that is "holy" to you. Wich literate means "whole", "Complete", "Perfect" or "healthy" and wich effectively means: "this should preserved in all eternity and never changed"Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34116413289125323472017-08-02T14:29:36.055-07:002017-08-02T14:29:36.055-07:00@ Matt
Could this be a hint ? Please read.
https...@ Matt<br /><br />Could this be a hint ? Please read.<br /><br />https://www.google.co.za/amp/s/phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.ampRic Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80213417578143571442017-08-02T14:14:13.869-07:002017-08-02T14:14:13.869-07:00@ Rob, yeah, I think you're right and I'd ...@ Rob, yeah, I think you're right and I'd trust your memory on this over mine. Main point I had is that didn't seem to be >frequency than steppe autosomal ancestry suggested.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83257357359414867602017-08-02T14:09:45.885-07:002017-08-02T14:09:45.885-07:00@ Matt
We did see some R1 in BA Balkans: a couple...@ Matt<br /><br />We did see some R1 in BA Balkans: a couple of Z2013s Vucedol, and a R1a-Z93 in MBA Thrace.<br />Yeah I think the Bulk of movement could be form Cotofeni- Usatavo cultures; and from Anatolia.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53611477153008887152017-08-02T14:09:32.195-07:002017-08-02T14:09:32.195-07:00Greek r1a is probably slavic in origin. What's...Greek r1a is probably slavic in origin. What's the source of greek r1b though?Jijnasuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14851649346012458747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42101965358452989962017-08-02T14:06:11.880-07:002017-08-02T14:06:11.880-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Al Bundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591147692142810564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39179220201479571462017-08-02T14:00:01.295-07:002017-08-02T14:00:01.295-07:00@Rob, looks like very little steppe ancestry in th...@Rob, looks like very little steppe ancestry in these samples in the models where they have it, so no R (generally frequent in steppe populations, whatever the origin) in 1x Mycenean male is not too surprising. <br /><br />The Portuguese_BA samples have some R1b of the appropriate clades, but look to have a) more steppe ancestry and b) may have got it from a larger population movement from Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86560651931397468892017-08-02T13:59:50.744-07:002017-08-02T13:59:50.744-07:00Yeah
Pretty minimal steppe impact.
Probably result...Yeah<br />Pretty minimal steppe impact.<br />Probably result of some contact with Thracian Yamnaya. <br />I <i>don't</i> think it was the driver of PIE . But Ill read the paper, wait for raw data, pray/ meditate, then conclude.<br />Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9407028470133685942017-08-02T13:59:11.784-07:002017-08-02T13:59:11.784-07:00@Atriðr - I just don't understand why two memb...@Atriðr - I just don't understand why two members of the same culture would have such wildly different affinities to different populations in South Asia.Why would one Unetice sample be so much closer to Brahmins than another?Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85391217821592662202017-08-02T13:55:16.661-07:002017-08-02T13:55:16.661-07:00@Rob
J2, the forgotten brother.@Rob<br />J2, the forgotten brother.Atriðrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13083384836707338698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64201311290380926652017-08-02T13:52:14.303-07:002017-08-02T13:52:14.303-07:00Yeah but only one was Mycenaean
Still, it seems t...Yeah but only one was Mycenaean <br />Still, it seems that PIE wasn't solely R1Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89740796597120066672017-08-02T13:50:07.443-07:002017-08-02T13:50:07.443-07:00@Rob
No R1 ?
Not in any of 5 males sampled:
- J...@Rob<br /><i>No R1 ?</i><br /><br />Not in any of 5 males sampled: <br /><br />- J2a1d<br />- J2a1<br />- G2e2b2<br />- J2a1<br />- J1aAtriðrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13083384836707338698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90425521264359377942017-08-02T13:46:14.656-07:002017-08-02T13:46:14.656-07:00No R1 ?No R1 ?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3953857742663373962017-08-02T13:45:27.290-07:002017-08-02T13:45:27.290-07:00I think someone let something slip. Steppe Migrati...I think someone let something slip. Steppe Migration in the Early Bronze Age and then a Early Middle Bronze Age Steppe Migration....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26218972890864841142017-08-02T13:40:51.726-07:002017-08-02T13:40:51.726-07:00@Chad - Their comment is:
However, all the Bron...@Chad - Their comment is: <br /><br /><i> However, all the Bronze Age populations also have ancestry related to the Caucasus or Iran, consistent with their shift in PCA (Fig. 1b). This shift began in Anatolia no later than the Chalcolithic (3943-3708 calBCE)16 and was not evident in Greece by the time of the Final Neolithic (4,230–3,995 calBCE) individual from Kleitos14 that resembled (like all Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57943668488957734572017-08-02T13:33:57.744-07:002017-08-02T13:33:57.744-07:00@Matt
Their final comment in this section is to th...@Matt<br /><i>Their final comment in this section is to this effect: Further sampling of populations north and east of the Aegean may clarify the role that migration may have played in linguistic change in the region.</i><br /><br />Further sampling is always the best, no question. <br /><br />That said, it's not dawning on them just yet what's going on...Atriðrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13083384836707338698noreply@blogger.com