tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1091576041188864253..comments2024-03-19T04:18:48.805-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: A Greek tragedyDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger350125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26337579862940585152022-11-24T07:29:41.372-08:002022-11-24T07:29:41.372-08:00@Davidski
You was right about my PCA. But the Gre...@Davidski<br /><br />You was right about my PCA. But the Greek article was correct anyway.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mEFwmZq-bjKpDCZg515mMH49IiyDnMl5/view?usp=sharing<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rXc7jD7sgU7H2lgabKpUXckmCoKYBIP3/view?usp=sharing<br /><br />This is result of independently merged databases from the last articles for the southern arc. Now AADD has Stoyan Denevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08759380391051782574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83808590207417621962021-11-02T18:38:28.587-07:002021-11-02T18:38:28.587-07:00Yes, but Strabo didn't know the genetics of th...Yes, but Strabo didn't know the genetics of the people he was writing about, and we're talking about Anatolian genetics not necessarily Anatolians.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70702104234167821142021-11-02T18:02:40.531-07:002021-11-02T18:02:40.531-07:00Strabo does not mention Anatolians in Macedonia. H...Strabo does not mention Anatolians in Macedonia. He however says it had many Thracians and other Balkanic people. So I don't think substantial Anatolian made it to Macedonia during the Hellenistic period. However Thessaloniki became a major metropolis in Byzantine Empire, only second to Constantinople, so it probably attracted many Anatolians and Armenians. In fact many Armenians were settledDonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06970545165990013739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77212378151781050642021-11-02T17:46:24.752-07:002021-11-02T17:46:24.752-07:00I'm not quite sure how the different periods w...I'm not quite sure how the different periods will be treated in these upcoming papers.<br /><br />From what I've seen, it seems like the Classical and Hellenistic periods are lumped together, at least for some sites.<br /><br />So you'll have to wait for all the archeological details to see when exactly most of the Cyprian-like and Anatolian ancestry spread into mainland Greece and Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80116605232857026522021-11-02T17:23:01.779-07:002021-11-02T17:23:01.779-07:00Thank you for your response, Davidski.
Corinth was...Thank you for your response, Davidski.<br />Corinth was re-colonized by Romans in 44 BC that not a single original inhabitant remained there. Together with Patras they were the most populous centers in Peloponnese, both Roman colonies. <br /><br />Many people tend to assume <b>most</b> Anatolian admixture made it by the time of Hellenistic period. I doubt that, in some regions like Peloponnese Donnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06970545165990013739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83340437257296837992021-11-02T16:36:49.776-07:002021-11-02T16:36:49.776-07:00Hellenistic and Roman.
Hellenistic and Roman.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28090880017332220122021-11-02T14:44:14.718-07:002021-11-02T14:44:14.718-07:00@Davidski, are the Anatolian outliers are from the...@Davidski, are the Anatolian outliers are from the Classical Period or the Hellenistic or the Roman period? Or you are not aware about the timing?<br /><br />Also are you aware from which place those samples are from?Donnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06970545165990013739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3892090493850077602021-10-21T07:55:46.302-07:002021-10-21T07:55:46.302-07:00I made this post here with better models so i won&...I made this post here with better models so i won't spam here. I will keep updating it.<br />https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/41934-Eurogenes-G25-model-for-Greeks-and-Turks-(Bronze-Age-Iron-age-Medieval)a Gorillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07843454326594840613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19900250298051267292021-10-18T00:27:25.480-07:002021-10-18T00:27:25.480-07:00I hope i'm not too spammy but here's what ...I hope i'm not too spammy but here's what happens if i remove "CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569" and i just leave "HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2" for Slavic proxy which is closer to Belarus. It does not even pick it up on Cypriots. What do you think is best to use for Slavic proxy?<br /><br />For Aegean i used: GRC_Mycenaean, GRC_Minoan_EBA, GRC_Minoan_Lassithi, GRC_Helladic_EBA, a Gorillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07843454326594840613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88209762237477559152021-10-17T06:56:14.799-07:002021-10-17T06:56:14.799-07:00Please don't post my previous comment because ...Please don't post my previous comment because i renamed something and i added below what references i used.<br />I modified Marques' ancient references. Are my references any good? What do you recommend me to change? And do you think these results are any good? Here Slavic and Balkan DNA is obvious in modern Greeks. It seems that there is still a continuation from Bronze Age Aegeans and a Gorillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07843454326594840613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45449074903160448522021-09-01T16:20:19.127-07:002021-09-01T16:20:19.127-07:00@Davidski I couldn't make any sense either and...@Davidski I couldn't make any sense either and he didn't explain the reasons why he went for North Russians and Mordivians for a medieval Slavic proxy while there are plenty of much suitable samples. <br /><br />Also in the article the samples that fall into the "Balkan IA Cluster" modelled like 80-90% Mycenaean-like which looks weird as well.<br /><br />https://ibb.co/RDR5cS6Leperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15008287816845520098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75364298231508209422021-09-01T15:35:00.441-07:002021-09-01T15:35:00.441-07:00Using North Russians and Mordovians as proxies for...Using North Russians and Mordovians as proxies for Slavic admixture in Greeks doesn't work for me, because it's not historically plausible.<br /><br />Obviously, Mordovians are Uralics, and so are North Russians to a large degree.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57305525484863642092021-09-01T15:31:52.151-07:002021-09-01T15:31:52.151-07:00What do you think about Lazaridis' new Greek m...What do you think about Lazaridis' new Greek models with recent Balkan IA samples?<br /><br />https://ibb.co/3rsH3LBLeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15008287816845520098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62727032438703448202021-08-06T13:56:10.976-07:002021-08-06T13:56:10.976-07:00"Penny BJ said...
I think what needs to be be..."Penny BJ said...<br />I think what needs to be better studied is how the impact the Franco-Venetian occupation of nearly half of modern Greece (islands, Peloponnese, Crete) is and how it's reflected in in modern Greek ancestry."<br /><br />It's minimal to non-existent autosomally. It's more evident in specific Y DNA lines, especially in the islands.alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03426425578521933390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56424997568739148682021-08-02T05:53:56.038-07:002021-08-02T05:53:56.038-07:00Bulgaria_IA
Bulgarian.DG
Greek_1.DG
Good Luck!<a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GoMRejKANgbT89cLfF0_XkzPphEOAE7_/view?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">Bulgaria_IA</a><br /><br /><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bg289zBQv6-iQPtFCuki0dpj0aBzuBCe/view?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">Bulgarian.DG</a><br /><br /><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vcwIgd_5V9QCpeVWG0I-wbl5hqx7uOlm/view?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">Greek_1.DG</a><br />Stoyan Denevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08759380391051782574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21698873127800081162021-07-29T01:42:36.256-07:002021-07-29T01:42:36.256-07:00@Stoyan Denev
You appear to be completely insane....@Stoyan Denev<br /><br />You appear to be completely insane.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19729277038414809052021-07-29T00:48:26.560-07:002021-07-29T00:48:26.560-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stoyan Denevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08759380391051782574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84139121252622669052021-07-29T00:20:57.801-07:002021-07-29T00:20:57.801-07:00@Stoyan Denev
Well, my PCA never look as awful a...@Stoyan Denev <br /><br />Well, my PCA never look as awful as your PCA. So there has to be something wrong with your PCA.<br /><br />And what are you going to say when all of the samples from Iron Age Bulgaria are similar to this "Mycenaean girl"?<br /><br />I can already tell you that they are.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17072897938379587942021-07-29T00:13:55.772-07:002021-07-29T00:13:55.772-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stoyan Denevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08759380391051782574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36936682887076122372021-07-28T23:38:03.576-07:002021-07-28T23:38:03.576-07:00@All
I just deleted a post by a dumb troll named ...@All<br /><br />I just deleted a post by a dumb troll named <i>EuroMenDesiWomen</i>.<br /><br />This stupid troll claimed that Greeks have no Slavic ancestry, when, in fact, Slavic ancestry in Greeks is easily seen in their:<br /><br />- autosomal DNA, because they show affinity and share Identity-by-Descent segments with Slavs<br /><br />and<br /><br />- Y-chromosome lineages, because they shareDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7749236518518998762021-06-06T16:31:05.625-07:002021-06-06T16:31:05.625-07:00@rob
"Rob said...
Albanians formed in Albani...@rob<br /><br />"Rob said...<br />Albanians formed in Albania. There is clear evidence that provincials from Dacia Ripensis were moved to Epirus in the 600s"<br /><br />Sincerely what is the point of such pathological lies like this? Produce this "clear evidence"? Come on. Show us all.Ditahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09423671261788154978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90244138234743587842021-06-06T02:12:57.310-07:002021-06-06T02:12:57.310-07:00@Stoyan
Your PCA lacks shape because it's one...@Stoyan<br /><br />Your PCA lacks shape because it's one of the worst PCA I've ever seen.<br /><br />By the way, can you explain why Bulgaria_IA doesn't cluster with Bulgarians here, if the late arrival of Slavs in the Balkans is nonsense?<br /><br />https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z3w8BbEtp3A/YJ4dmX_8W0I/AAAAAAAAJ-w/EHLGw5QNi64kzwY2K0H9OBSM9lY1cYCpACLcBGAsYHQ/s1206/Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86834947266630142842021-06-05T18:32:38.214-07:002021-06-05T18:32:38.214-07:00@Garvan
Here it is with less details:
https://dri...@Garvan<br /><br />Here it is with less details:<br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bg289zBQv6-iQPtFCuki0dpj0aBzuBCe/view?usp=sharing<br /><br />That late arrival of the slavs in the balkans is pure bullshit. Proved time and time again:<br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6252347/figure/F4/<br /><br />@Davidski<br /><br />https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/Stoyan Denevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08759380391051782574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42927563077467583262021-06-04T20:08:50.072-07:002021-06-04T20:08:50.072-07:00I think what needs to be better studied is how the...I think what needs to be better studied is how the impact the Franco-Venetian occupation of nearly half of modern Greece (islands, Peloponnese, Crete) is and how it's reflected in in modern Greek ancestry. Penny BJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14436848094560500516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25078795364652740922021-06-03T05:27:12.130-07:002021-06-03T05:27:12.130-07:00@EastPole
(…) I don’t, we have to wait for aDNA. ...@EastPole<br /><br /><i>(…) I don’t, we have to wait for aDNA. (…)</i><br /><br />Which data show that the Greeks have a late ‘steppe’ genetic trace after the Slavs, e.g. from the 8th century, and not earlier after the ancestors of the Slavs from the CWC?<br /><br /><i>(…) CW culture originated in Poland (…)</i><br /><br />Really?! CWC Z93 was formed east of the Carpathians rather than north of SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.com