tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1272630286097346748..comments2024-03-29T04:00:27.058-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Latest on Bell Beaker and Corded WareDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger185125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49120905232477593242018-01-18T07:37:49.209-08:002018-01-18T07:37:49.209-08:00This is an older blog but I had to put my lastest ...This is an older blog but I had to put my lastest research on Schnurkeramikkultur somewhere! My mtDNA is Corded Ware Culture, H6a1a. Found my husband’s mtDNA yesterday! He is also a Corded Ware Culture mtDNA. He is H10e. mtDNA H10e was found in Eulau Germany in 2600 BCE in a Corded Ware Culture female. jvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283765275775165180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31760132522956960572017-08-26T01:31:18.298-07:002017-08-26T01:31:18.298-07:00When my R1b sons and I drove 500 head of cattle an...When my R1b sons and I drove 500 head of cattle and 250 sheep with our wagons on horseback in to Jutland, we garnered quite a lot of attention from the local female population....Bogdanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07542017432406239476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49764741802398796302017-04-10T14:16:03.310-07:002017-04-10T14:16:03.310-07:00‘Kristiansen is now looking into the genetic histo...‘Kristiansen is now looking into the genetic history of Mediterranean peoples; he's also working in collaboration with several genetics research groups to find out more about the Bell Beaker culture, which was a contemporary of the Corded Ware people from Western Europe.<br />"In two or three months, you will get the answer to that one," Kristiansen said’.<br /><br />http://EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53623547798558472022017-04-10T08:15:22.345-07:002017-04-10T08:15:22.345-07:00Another disappointment with the Kristiansen paper ...Another disappointment with the Kristiansen paper is a sudden lack of detail to illustrate the key point that the CW migrants who'd arrived from Yamna were specifically warlike. The discussion for this mentioned war-bands or raiding, although this was itself inferred based on references to other IE cultures, rather than being fleshed out in archaeological detail. unfortunate part was that theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79528374387276044152017-04-10T08:02:03.528-07:002017-04-10T08:02:03.528-07:00I'm late in adding my impressions of the paper...I'm late in adding my impressions of the papers. Several things stuck out as odd in the Kristiansen paper, besides the obvious one of Corded Ware being cast as exclusively proto-Germanic.<br /><br />One of the things I couldn't make sense of in the <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90847169509713226432017-04-08T17:06:52.347-07:002017-04-08T17:06:52.347-07:00Jordanes (550 AD) describes the Veneti as "a ...Jordanes (550 AD) describes the Veneti as "a populous nation", whose dwellings begin at the sources of the Vistula and occupy "a great expanse of land." <br /><br /><br />He describes them as the ancestors also of the Sclavenes (a people who appeared on the Byzantine frontier in the early 6th century and who are believed to have been the early Southern Slavs) and of the Antes.batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91885502435485959942017-04-08T15:43:09.057-07:002017-04-08T15:43:09.057-07:00The origin, history and mixing between the Uralian...The origin, history and mixing between the Uralian and NW I-E is still a matter of more and better research. Today we see that even the old Frisian and the Ostro-Gothic languages were combines of "Proto-Germanic"/"Gottonic"/'Gothic' and 'Uralic' - as in Finnish and Estonian, in Norse litterature named "Vendic". Thus we have to presume that old batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49730621158644954402017-04-08T15:42:41.215-07:002017-04-08T15:42:41.215-07:00Epoch2013,
The age of the I-E and the Uralian see...Epoch2013,<br /><br />The age of the I-E and the Uralian seem to be similar - both "post-paleolithic". Both based in the same 'family' out of the five 'families' used by modern linguistics, running computer-models of the Eurasian languages.<br /> <br />http://www.pnas.org/content/110/21/8471.full.pdf<br /><br />As this repport re-actualized the question of the age and batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8195898018033486362017-04-06T22:30:30.423-07:002017-04-06T22:30:30.423-07:00I think the problem with tracing Indo-Europeans is...I think the problem with tracing Indo-Europeans is similar as how Hittites formed. As far as I know it is difficult to trace Proto-Hittites because of their thorough adoption of the Hattic Culture. Something similar could have happened in Central Europe with Early Indo-Europeans melting into different cultures and leaving little to track continuity from the old to the new.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52705367855622185102017-04-06T16:00:08.416-07:002017-04-06T16:00:08.416-07:00"But if someone points me that ''look..."But if someone points me that ''look these are the materials which are typical Germanic type with typical motifs which can be considered as proto-'' etc , then its another issue worth debating ."<br /><br />From what I have read, the earliest materials, that can be considered "proto" Germanic or at least definately culturaly anchestral to the later "Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32366408296436072942017-04-06T13:48:42.641-07:002017-04-06T13:48:42.641-07:00@Al Yes I agree about the Steppe. The only things ...@Al Yes I agree about the Steppe. The only things that must not be forgotten when talking about Proto-Indo-European are Hittite and Tocharian otherwise a skew picture will be drawn.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5643935045376924022017-04-06T13:37:59.515-07:002017-04-06T13:37:59.515-07:00@Ric Well it does look like the steppe groups at t...@Ric Well it does look like the steppe groups at the very least spread a subset of IE languages into Europe.Whether PIE actually came from the steppe we don't know yet and how IE got to Greece and Anatolia is still not clear.The recent papers have been all about the spread of IE but to find out where it actually originated we need more pre Yamnaya data and all that stuff is coming.I think theAl Bundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591147692142810564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65033920294595146692017-04-06T13:20:46.439-07:002017-04-06T13:20:46.439-07:00@batman
"40% of the I-E and Uralian word-ste...@batman<br /><br />"<i>40% of the I-E and Uralian word-stems have common roots</i>"<br /><br />Can you provide academic documentation for that claim? I'm highly interested.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-834137260845495152017-04-06T12:56:05.889-07:002017-04-06T12:56:05.889-07:00Aram,
North-East German (Gothic/Swedish/Danish) h...Aram,<br /><br />North-East German (Gothic/Swedish/Danish) have two genders. North-West (Norwegian/Icelandic) have three, as do southern ('proper') Germans.<br /><br />The two gender-format is obviously the oldest.batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69071546109942394742017-04-06T12:45:52.261-07:002017-04-06T12:45:52.261-07:00Moreover, as some 40% of the I-E and Uralian word-...Moreover, as some 40% of the I-E and Uralian word-stems have common roots there is a strong indicative of IE and Uralian having an common, Paleolithic Origin. The geographical union between the Uralian languages and y-dna N clearly indicates that the linguistical branching followed a dynastical distribution of ancient y-dna.<br /><br />Looking at neolithic ceramics and the BA art from the Uralianbatmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56820524289712001392017-04-06T12:45:13.845-07:002017-04-06T12:45:13.845-07:00Ninjar,
"I think if you want to connect ethn...Ninjar,<br /><br />"I think if you want to connect ethnic to archaeology , you will need materials , materials which goes parallel to the ethnic identity of a particular group."<br /><br />A number of basic ideograms ("heraldic symbols/symbol-elements/archetypes") is found in a wide variety of early, Eurasian pottery - from the 'pre-neolithic' pottery of Volga-Ural to batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22108575832627440682017-04-06T12:34:08.769-07:002017-04-06T12:34:08.769-07:00Yamnaya looks more like a dispersal phase rather t...Yamnaya looks more like a dispersal phase rather than a formation phase of Proto-Indo-European. When looking at it in that way I can see some peoples point but when trying to connect it to the origin of Indo-European then it becomes problematic. I can see that Yamnaya may have had some kind of levelling out effect on already close related dialects...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2458042802571601612017-04-06T09:55:18.835-07:002017-04-06T09:55:18.835-07:00@Rob,
I know... but I liked the sound of it.
@Rob,<br />I know... but I liked the sound of it.<br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14594028790772399762017-04-06T09:18:14.578-07:002017-04-06T09:18:14.578-07:00@ OM
Your people as in your thesis people :)@ OM<br />Your people as in your thesis people :)Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88116234641399281132017-04-06T09:17:14.478-07:002017-04-06T09:17:14.478-07:00@ric
Very good question.
Because hititte will be ...@ric<br />Very good question.<br /><br />Because hititte will be r1b and J2, Imo.Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54291841127335618512017-04-06T07:48:03.057-07:002017-04-06T07:48:03.057-07:00If Hittite samples do not contain R1a, what will t...If Hittite samples do not contain R1a, what will this mean for peoples who claim that R1a were the sole spreaders of Indo-European ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28413286033091281682017-04-06T07:29:49.490-07:002017-04-06T07:29:49.490-07:00Some Early Hittite samples results would be nice.....Some Early Hittite samples results would be nice...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15474527749008849522017-04-06T07:29:38.919-07:002017-04-06T07:29:38.919-07:00@OM
Hold on. Are you actually suggesting that Por...@OM<br /><br />Hold on. Are you actually suggesting that Portugal has no connection to the South Caucasus?<br /><br />Seriously?<br /><br />And... BTW...<br /><br />They are ALL 'My People'.<br />Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88405051370312723882017-04-06T06:03:31.872-07:002017-04-06T06:03:31.872-07:00@Rob,
Thank you for calling them "my people&q...@Rob,<br />Thank you for calling them "my people". :) really. It just fills me with joy.<br /><br />You know I am Portuguese and have absolute no connections to south Caucasus, right?<br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84686934145205069742017-04-06T06:00:37.979-07:002017-04-06T06:00:37.979-07:00@Rob.
You kidding me right?
Shit, f**k... try aga...@Rob.<br />You kidding me right? <br />Shit, f**k... try again because this disqualify more than anything else. :) People have spent milenia in one place and never got really that much admix from the neighboros 100 miles way. neolithic Anatolian and western Iran living side by side had a Fst as big as a German and a Japanese today!<br /><br /><br />*"My people" spent 300 years in the Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.com